11 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Dermot says reputations are made in finals. Naughton was poor in the gf. But makes this list?

Granted I don't have time to watch too many non MFC games and I missed watch our second home and away matchup against the dogs, but I don't think I've seen Naughton play a b good game against us.  Rightly or wrongly, I don't rate him on this basis.

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

I nominate @DeeSpencer and @picket fence to undertake an old-school school-yard pick-for-pick selection of teams from currently-listed AFL players, and then we can add a poll and the rest of us get to decide and argue endlessly over which is best. I just flipped a coin, and heads, Picket gets to go first, suitable karma for having 'Picket' in his handle before the drafting of Kysaiah  as opposed to Spencil. A full 23-man squad, with consideration given to team balance and playing spots. @WERRIDEEcan arrange the selections into final line-ups before we vote. Other challenger match-up suggestions are welcome, or even the inclusion of a third or fourth party to make it extra interesting. 

Ok Skuit Im up for it ! Do you want to set up a separate thread or what?? Also what about if IF one of us wants a player who is picked as next pick , for example Dee Spenser picks player X but I had him as my next pick in order to get him and only if Dee Spenser agrees then I get him but Dee Spenser gets my next two picks as compensation? I take the next player after that.!

Anyway sounds like a bit of fun and I reckon any sides Dee Spenser or myself pick would Rag Doll Dwayne's team EASY!

Edited October 12, 20213 yr by picket fence

1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Granted I don't have time to watch too many non MFC games and I missed watch our second home and away matchup against the dogs, but I don't think I've seen Naughton play a b good game against us.  Rightly or wrongly, I don't rate him on this basis.

He was good, not great, against us the 2nd time round, and actually decent enough the first time too when he got a lot of the ball at half forward.

The thing about rating Naughton against us is that Steve May clearly has his number for now. Most key defenders don't have the strength and ability to read the play to keep Naughton away from the drop of the ball nor do they have the closing speed and physicality to spoil him once he's flying for it. 

Naughton played well in his 3 other finals. When 16 other teams don't even get that far I don't think you can punish him too much for a quiet grand final.

25 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ok Skuit Im up for it ! Do you want to set up a separate thread or what?? Also what about if IF one of us wants a player who is picked as next pick , for example Dee Spenser picks player X but I had him as my next pick in order to get him and only if Dee Spenser agrees then I get him but Dee Spenser gets my next two picks as compensation? I take the next player after that.!

Anyway sounds like a bit of fun and I reckon any sides Dee Spenser or myself pick would Rag Doll Dwayne's team EASY!

I've always regarded your views very highly picket.

I'm just not certain whether you are a better judge when on the booze or when off the booze!

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

I nominate @DeeSpencer and @picket fence to undertake an old-school school-yard pick-for-pick selection of teams from currently-listed AFL players, and then we can add a poll and the rest of us get to decide and argue endlessly over which is best. I just flipped a coin, and heads, Picket gets to go first, suitable karma for having 'Picket' in his handle before the drafting of Kysaiah  as opposed to Spencil. A full 23-man squad, with consideration given to team balance and playing spots. @WERRIDEEcan arrange the selections into final line-ups before we vote. Other challenger match-up suggestions are welcome, or even the inclusion of a third or fourth party to make it extra interesting. 

FB: May  Andrews Stewart
HB: Salem  Moore  Daniel
C: Dawson  Bont  McCluggage
HF: Petracca  Naughton  Z. Bailey
FF: C. Cameron  McKay  Greene
Foll: Gawn  Steele Oliver
Int: Martin, Heeney, Walsh, Merrett
S: Stringer

21 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

FB: May  Andrews Stewart
HB: Salem  Moore  Daniel
C: Dawson  Bont  McCluggage
HF: Petracca  Naughton  Z. Bailey
FF: C. Cameron  McKay  Greene
Foll: Gawn  Steele Oliver
Int: Martin, Heeney, Walsh, Merrett
S: Stringer

showing my bias but would have lever over moore and langdon over dawson, personally

also would prefer a genuine 'defender' over daniel

B: LEVER, MAY, STEWART

HB: SALEM, ANDREWS, RICH

C: LANGDON, PETRACCA, MCCLUGGAGE

HF: GREENE, HAWKINS, BAILEY

F: FRITSCH, MCKAY, C.CAMERON

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, BONTEMPELLI

IC: MARTIN, STEELE. MACRAE, STRINGER

10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He's had a 48 goal season as an undersized full forward and when he went in to the midfield from Queens B'day on he went 32, 32, 29, 31, 25, 34, 27 and 23. All without ever doing a full preseason or committing to becoming super fit.

In other words he's a more dangerous deep forward version of Petracca after 2019 but with a raft of off field concerns and 2 years older than Tracc too. If the penny really drops for him he'd be top 10, but there's every chance it doesn't as well.

Cheers mate - yeah, I definitely missed that. I think I wrote him off before this season and didn't take much notice of the Pies.

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

showing my bias but would have lever over moore and langdon over dawson, personally

also would prefer a genuine 'defender' over daniel

Lever’s unlucky, was the best interceptor this year. Moore just has a higher ceiling due to his size, athleticism and booming kick.

The people wanted a balanced team so Dawson is the Brayshaw defensive big body winger. McClug is the forward running winger similar to Langdon, he plays as much on ball as wing now but he can do both.

Happy to have 1 less than great backman. Daniel is a superb tackler and wins a lot of contests by getting to the ball first. He’ll occasionally get beat for size or gamble too much for position but he makes up for it by being the most creative kick in the comp.

1 minute ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

Cheers mate - yeah, I definitely missed that. I think I wrote him off before this season and didn't take much notice of the Pies.

There’s nothing I’d prefer more than to see him [censored] away his talent and fade from the league but now the Pies have a fresh coach and are willing to turn over their midfield he might start to put it together.

How many coaches would pick Heeney before May in the AFL, zero! IMO. 
 

Heeney really has not achieved much to date and 11 is way overs. 

On 10/13/2021 at 1:56 AM, Skuit said:

I nominate @DeeSpencer and @picket fence to undertake an old-school school-yard pick-for-pick selection of teams from currently-listed AFL players, and then we can add a poll and the rest of us get to decide and argue endlessly over which is best. I just flipped a coin, and heads, Picket gets to go first, suitable karma for having 'Picket' in his handle before the drafting of Kysaiah  as opposed to Spencil. A full 23-man squad, with consideration given to team balance and playing spots. @WERRIDEEcan arrange the selections into final line-ups before we vote. Other challenger match-up suggestions are welcome, or even the inclusion of a third or fourth party to make it extra interesting. 

I thought we picked one player at a time and make a team up from that 

If so my first pick is in "Drum Roll"

From all players on lists PF NO 1 PICK IS

CLAYTON OLIVER ..

Your pick next DeeSpencer!

On 10/12/2021 at 9:29 PM, picket fence said:

TOBY GREENE makes me want to Spew

Shocking indictment on the game

Derwayne has no Idea

PETRACCA / OLIVER BEST 

Then the rest!!

Toby Greene is an absolute star, whether you enjoy his personality or not 

31 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Toby Greene is an absolute star, whether you enjoy his personality or not 

Personality?? He has got as much personality as Hanibal Lecter. I would not want him anywhere near MFC under ANY circumstances PERIOD. Even if he was free!

He is the epitome of a Culture Killer, dont care if he can play or not, he is tainted goods IMO.

Edited October 14, 20213 yr by picket fence

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Personality?? He has got as much personality as Hanibal Lecter. I would not want him anywhere near MFC under ANY circumstances PERIOD. Even if he was free!

He is the epitome of a Culture Killer, dont care if he can play or not, he is tainted goods IMO.

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean he's not one of the best individual players in the comp. He is worthy of making a list such as this. 

30 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean he's not one of the best individual players in the comp. He is worthy of making a list such as this. 

Agreed, but dont and never will want him anywhere near MFC. 

They would have a massive score kicked on them without any defenders. Would be hard to defend against though. 

On 10/13/2021 at 8:09 AM, picket fence said:

Ok Skuit Im up for it ! Do you want to set up a separate thread or what?? Also what about if IF one of us wants a player who is picked as next pick , for example Dee Spenser picks player X but I had him as my next pick in order to get him and only if Dee Spenser agrees then I get him but Dee Spenser gets my next two picks as compensation? I take the next player after that.!

Anyway sounds like a bit of fun and I reckon any sides Dee Spenser or myself pick would Rag Doll Dwayne's team EASY!

Could definitely set up the swapping/trading of picks, but maybe better with three of four participants to make it more interesting. DeeSpencer however got jumpy and gave away all of his drafting intel. 

Silly exercise. De Goey pls 

On 10/13/2021 at 11:25 AM, DeeSpencer said:

The people wanted a balanced team so Dawson is the Brayshaw defensive big body winger. McClug is the forward running winger similar to Langdon, he plays as much on ball as wing now but he can do both.

Interesting...Langdon runs harder than any wingman in the game. Forward and back, so I wouldn't consider him just forward running.

One I would take is Jack Macrae on a wing...he really is a natural wingman playing more as a mid now.

On 10/13/2021 at 1:56 AM, Skuit said:

I nominate @DeeSpencer and @picket fence to undertake an old-school school-yard pick-for-pick selection of teams from currently-listed AFL players, and then we can add a poll and the rest of us get to decide and argue endlessly over which is best. I just flipped a coin, and heads, Picket gets to go first, suitable karma for having 'Picket' in his handle before the drafting of Kysaiah  as opposed to Spencil. A full 23-man squad, with consideration given to team balance and playing spots. @WERRIDEEcan arrange the selections into final line-ups before we vote. Other challenger match-up suggestions are welcome, or even the inclusion of a third or fourth party to make it extra interesting. 

A bunch of us did this years ago on here. 
 

I only mention it because I went alright. 

8 minutes ago, rjay said:

Interesting...Langdon runs harder than any wingman in the game. Forward and back, so I wouldn't consider him just forward running.

One I would take is Jack Macrae on a wing...he really is a natural wingman playing more as a mid now.

Definitely true on Langdon, I guess just the running winger is probably what I should've called him. They give Eddie the freedom to play his game, where as Gus certainly seems encouraged not to get too far forward of the play. They want him sealing off the forward 50 then getting back to help the backline.

Not convinced by Macrae as a wingman. He was good at it earlier in his career, and would certainly still be good at it. He's a beast at racking up uncontested possessions, but he doesn't do a lot with them. His kicking is somewhere from neat to decent, he's improved a lot, but it's still very safe. He doesn't kick goals or take contested marks. His game involves a lot of contested ball winning at clearances and then just a whole bunch of Bulldogs handball receiving. He's a better overall player but I think similar to Andrew Gaff that kind of handball receive player is actually better off inside now than on a wing.

McCluggage or Josh Kelly are the 2 that I considered for the running wingman, both will run all day and will chop you up with their kicking. Karl Amon probably 3rd in line. Along with being a bit stronger at the contest that's where they separate themselves from someone like Langdon who isn't far behind given he's so good at the role. Langdon more likely to lose a contest but give it his all than Kelly tho, who will win more but dodge a few. Seedsman 4th or 5th option, Duncan ruled out through too many injuries and I think needing to play on ball now.

Dawson is the clear standout for the other type of winger I'm looking for. 190cm+. Strong in the air. But unlike Brayshaw,  Dom Sheed, Kyle Langford, Dan Howe, Menegola, Miles Bergman, Mitch Robinson or any other options he can also kick the cover off it. He's perfectly capable of playing as an intercept defender which is what you want from your dropping back winger and if he can sit on the forward 50 and get those intercepts he'll hit targets or kick long goals.

Lost me at Degoey, not even close to being the best player at the lowly second last Collingwood. Was 4th in their B&F