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14 minutes ago, Cheap Seats said:

So if they don't offer picks, surely player get involved.

Jackson's manager initiated this so he needs to sort it out.

Otherwise Jacko walks or re-signs.

Don't take unders. Make a stand

It may not happen this year, but a Club will send a Player to the PSD soon, this BS has to stop. 
Flogmantle want a Player they cannot pay for, & whom they have never intended to pay for. 
Dig the Heels in MFC. Make a stand

 

Does anybody know what the rules if we go past the deadline and don’t get a deal done? Can he resign with us at that stage? Or does he automatically go to the PSD? 

1 minute ago, Colm said:

Does anybody know what the rules if we go past the deadline and don’t get a deal done? Can he resign with us at that stage? Or does he automatically go to the PSD? 

Not sure of the exact timing but he certainly has both PSD & ND as options. From memory, Luke Ball went the ND option so he could slide to Collingwood at around the 30 mark (as opposed to getting snapped up early in the PSD)

 
29 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It may not happen this year, but a Club will send a Player to the PSD soon, this BS has to stop. 
Flogmantle want a Player they cannot pay for, & whom they have never intended to pay for. 
Dig the Heels in MFC. Make a stand

The AFL have to step in to stop this nonsense as well. Clubs with players departing need to have some compensation from the AFL comparable to worth. Not saying it has to overs but it gives some bargaining power so that the requesting club cannot bend them over. We cannot rely on their ‘good will’ anymore. 

If we don’t like the deal, fine send him to the PSD and get a comp pick at end of the first round or something along those lines. 

32 minutes ago, Colm said:

Does anybody know what the rules if we go past the deadline and don’t get a deal done? Can he resign with us at that stage? Or does he automatically go to the PSD? 

I would hope it goes to mediation, where the AFL direct Freo to get their hand off it.


4 minutes ago, CYB said:

The AFL have to step in to stop this nonsense as well. Clubs with players departing need to have some compensation from the AFL comparable to worth. Not saying it has to overs but it gives some bargaining power so that the requesting club cannot bend them over. We cannot rely on their ‘good will’ anymore. 

If we don’t like the deal, fine send him to the PSD and get a comp pick at end of the first round or something along those lines. 

So … wait… you want a compensation that doesn’t compete with what we are being offered because the deal we are being offered is not what we want?

Thats like cutting off our nose despite our face and then asking if we can replace the nose with a root vegetable.

31 minutes ago, Colm said:

Does anybody know what the rules if we go past the deadline and don’t get a deal done? Can he resign with us at that stage? Or does he automatically go to the PSD? 

I’m wandering this as well I’d say we can sign all the way until the ND. 

His desire  to get to Freo has to be used against him. Freo are desperate for him as well given how they have structured all lost changes to make room.

The Lobb delay is clearly their tactic as Grundy is ours. Neither of us can have both of them at the same time with LJ. 

I say we stand firm and threaten PSD. Surely he resigns for another 1-2 as opposed to playing for Norf. 

I would think a little bit more of our club if they went the hard road.

I don't think that there should be a system that allows a seemingly intentional misrepresentation of an intent to trade.

 

267 pages and a summary:

Hasn’t signed = panic/dont panic/panic!

He tells the club he is going = we are losing a superstar/overrated/underperformer

go home is mummy’s fault, his fault, he has secret behavioural issues at play

we get to trade - we demand ‘fair value’ - 6 first rounders, three first rounders, one inside top 7 plus brayshaw, young or sarong, going to get dudded, peter bell-end is an animal!

Did I miss anything?


1 minute ago, buck_nekkid said:

267 pages and a summary:

Hasn’t signed = panic/dont panic/panic!

He tells the club he is going = we are losing a superstar/overrated/underperformer

go home is mummy’s fault, his fault, he has secret behavioural issues at play

we get to trade - we demand ‘fair value’ - 6 first rounders, three first rounders, one inside top 7 plus brayshaw, young or sarong, going to get dudded, peter bell-end is an animal!

Did I miss anything?

Nope! 😜

7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

You assume in all this that Jackson had made his mind up prior to last year's trade period that he wanted to go home.

How do you know that? He was barely 20 years old last year's trade period. It's not exactly incredulous to think that he might not have known what he wanted to do at that age.

So long as he hadn't told us he had already made his mind up, we were always going to back ourselves in to convince him to stay. Who knows how likely or unlikely it was 12 months ago that he might have committed to a longer contract.

Also, how do you know he never had discussions with West Coast?

His manager was quoted in the press in the last week or two as saying Freo knew he was going to request a trade from about a week after last year’s grand final. The whole thing is ludicrous - he could easily have told us earlier. 

 

7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

If WC end up with 8  and 12, do things get a bit more spicy here?

 

You'd think if he truly is happy to go to West Coast, this move will really make things spicy. 

Just now, Undeeterred said:

His manager was quoted in the press in the last week or two as saying Freo knew he was going to request a trade from about a week after last year’s grand final. The whole thing is ludicrous - he could easily have told us earlier. 

 

No, that was Lobb, the quote got confused.


I haven't followed this too closely but why is West Coast not interested in Jackson?

Considering Niknat is coming to an end and JK just retired,while not being great in either position,he'd still be handy.

If West Coast offered pick 2 and F1,surely we'd take it,he's not a FA,so we don't need to get him to his club of choice,back to Perth is enough.

Apparently,he loves the Demons and all the boys and would love to play his career as a one club player but his overbearing Mother won't let him,very sad!!!

9 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

If WC end up with 8  and 12, do things get a bit more spicy here?

 

God I hope WC get picks 8&12. I think that would swing the balance back in our favour. If Freo don’t up their offer I’d take pick 8 and a seal of future first. It’s still unders but at least we get high end talent. 

3 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Ah! Good pick up that makes much more sense. 

I  got caught out by it at first too, was a bit muddled.

7 minutes ago, Davos said:

You'd think if he truly is happy to go to West Coast, this move will really make things spicy. 

I doubt they'd give up their f1. But is 8 and 23 more compelling than 13 and 13?


17 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

267 pages and a summary:

Hasn’t signed = panic/dont panic/panic!

He tells the club he is going = we are losing a superstar/overrated/underperformer

go home is mummy’s fault, his fault, he has secret behavioural issues at play

we get to trade - we demand ‘fair value’ - 6 first rounders, three first rounders, one inside top 7 plus brayshaw, young or sarong, going to get dudded, peter bell-end is an animal!

Did I miss anything?

Suggestion to mods. Delete the first 267 pages of the thread and start here. 

13 minutes ago, Jack7 said:

I haven't followed this too closely but why is West Coast not interested in Jackson?

Considering Niknat is coming to an end and JK just retired,while not being great in either position,he'd still be handy.

If West Coast offered pick 2 and F1,surely we'd take it,he's not a FA,so we don't need to get him to his club of choice,back to Perth is enough.

Apparently,he loves the Demons and all the boys and would love to play his career as a one club player but his overbearing Mother won't let him,very sad!!!

I think it's more so they're working on making Jackson interested in them. 

2 minutes ago, Colm said:

God I hope WC get picks 8&12. I think that would swing the balance back in our favour. If Freo don’t up their offer I’d take pick 8 and a seal of future first. It’s still unders but at least we get high end talent. 

Does the club have a target with pick 8? Or is this about the supporters being satisfied? Clubs seem to know who is the top 5 to 10 drafted well b4 the draft
 

if a Freeo’s F1 and Norths priority FP2, with our own pick next year improves our hand more overall (with pick 13 this year), the club should go full steam. If we can get Norths FP2. 
 

The MFC will do what is best overall.It seems there is slim pickings on offer if Camden is the catch.and he goes too early or a top liner goes before pick 8

 
49 minutes ago, rpfc said:

So … wait… you want a compensation that doesn’t compete with what we are being offered because the deal we are being offered is not what we want?

Thats like cutting off our nose despite our face and then asking if we can replace the nose with a root vegetable.

You miss the point. The compensation will never be better than what we could get or the true value of LJ or any player and club in this situation.

There needs to be parameters around it but the intent is that any player that is not a FA or RFA cannot just nominate and force the club that has invested in them to trade and be at the mercy of the target club. most times the current club has no standing and no leverage and would lose out by forcing their hand and letting them goto the PSD.

By having some form of compensation that is triggered only when  the player is forced to nominate  the PSD, gives the current club something to use in negotiation.

The parameters could be based on factors including age, requested salary, pick taken in the draft etc. 

The more I think about it, the more I think it’s required.

If West Coast get picks 8 and 12. And Freo can't get a top 10 pick. Here's the 2 scenario's IMO. Which one is better??

WC - Jackson.

Melb - 8 + 20 + 26 + 2023 WC Round 2.

(I've added in 3 x WC 2nd rounders as I don't think we should accept only 1 x 1st rounder with only 2 x 2nd rounders. This way WC keep pick 12 and get Jackson).

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Freo - Jackson.

Melb - 13 + 2023 Freo Round 1 + 2023 Nth Melb R2.


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