Pick 8

He was pick 3

I give up

This deal has now become what can the the Anchors dig up

17 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Pick 8

He was pick 3

I give up

This deal has now become what can the the Anchors dig up

Well realistically we have no power here. If he always knew he was coming back home why not just request the trade while he was still contracted? Or at least sign a two year extention at the end of last year so that we'd still have some leverage. Last year we would have gotten pick 8 and cerra, who was pick 5. Now the most we can get is something around 13 and 14. 

Unless west coast want to split their pick 2 to trade for him then we really won't get much better. And even if they do split their pick 2 what could they even get for it? They wouldn't want to give up their higher pick for a player they could theoretically pick of for nothing in the PSD. 

 

Edited September 27, 20222 yr by mmwd6

I'm not sure why anyone thinks we will get less than two 1st rounders (even if one is a future 1st). If we get a future 1st from Freo, next years draft is meant to be a good one, better than this year, so it might work in our favour anyway

Edited September 27, 20222 yr by Matt

37 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Pick 8

He was pick 3

I give up

This deal has now become what can the the Anchors dig up

Agreed. They would need to include a tonne of lube in that deal

15 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'm not sure why anyone thinks we will get less than two 1st rounders (even if one is a future 1st). If we get a future 1st from Freo, next years draft is meant to be a good one, better than this year, so it might work in our favour anyway

Peter Bell is stubborn. I don't see him coughing up two first rounders unless they're both low (i.e. 13 and next years F1). If pick 8 is inolved then that probably means fremantle are giving up 13, F1, and F2 (to port) for Jackson and Bell's ego is way too high for that. 

I think it gets done for 13 and F1 with Jackson and 32 going back their way. We could package 13 and F1 for a top 10 pick from someone I'm sure. 

11 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

Peter Bell is stubborn. 

Myth

Talks a big game but is as pragmatic as a football manager needs to be

I'm more than happy for two first rounders with one being a future first. What I'm not going to be ok with is if we just hand over one of those first rounders for Grundy just like that.

1 minute ago, layzie said:

I'm more than happy for two first rounders with one being a future first. What I'm not going to be ok with is if we just hand over one of those first rounders for Grundy just like that.

Same, but I bet we get Grundy for a pick in the 20’s (not sure how yet), and some pick swaps

Just now, Matt said:

Same, but I bet we get Grundy for a pick in the 20’s (not sure how yet), and some pick swaps

Yeah I'd be more open to the pick swap thinking. Really don't want to give them everything they want, they've already shown themselves to be pretty idiotic at the negotiating table RE: De Goey 

20 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah I'd be more open to the pick swap thinking. Really don't want to give them everything they want, they've already shown themselves to be pretty idiotic at the negotiating table RE: De Goey 

Yeah Grundy isn’t happy with the Pies, about his whole situation, which they caused, so I’ll be very disappointed, if we use a 1st on him

I remember when we all complained about Freo not giving us value for Hogan (pick 6 and 23 less pick 65)

We got May

Without May, we don't get a 🏆

Jackson is gone, maximise the outcome and turn it into some gold

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I'm not sure why anyone thinks we will get less than two 1st rounders (even if one is a future 1st). If we get a future 1st from Freo, next years draft is meant to be a good one, better than this year, so it might work in our favour anyway

That’s I heard today as well. The draft this year is meant to be quite poor. Depth to about 20 predominantly from VIC.

ChAtter has it that there will be a lot pick swaps to get a good draft hand for next year. 
 

Not sure how we play it but having 2 first rounders next year could be a good thing. May not get us what we need for 2023.

 

 

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

Myth

Talks a big game but is as pragmatic as a football manager needs to be

Any chance that him not being at freo next year will mean he'll be easier to work with?

1 minute ago, mmwd6 said:

Any chance that him not being at freo next year will mean he'll be easier to work with?

he works in the second most myopic market outside of adelaide

all part of the game

I personally believe that in some way, shape or form the dogs first will be going back to Freo with Lobb landing there and the final deal will be something like 

Pick 8 and 11 for Luke Jackson 

38 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I personally believe that in some way, shape or form the dogs first will be going back to Freo with Lobb landing there and the final deal will be something like 

Pick 8 and 11 for Luke Jackson 

Which is about right. I don't know whether we try to take it to WC and split their pick 2 + 2nd rounder (which goes to the Pies for Grundy). They would be silly not to look at that, because there are no WA boys that will go pick 2 and they get 2 picks in the 1st round. And we secure Cadman with said pick. 

Help me out here. I realise a deal will be completed but in the unlikely event that Fremantle can not get a deal done or West Coast drop out does Jackson go into the draft. ie who holds the cards here. 

5 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

Help me out here. I realise a deal will be completed but in the unlikely event that Fremantle can not get a deal done or West Coast drop out does Jackson go into the draft. ie who holds the cards here. 

I'd assume so but it will all come down to Poker skills. How willing are Melbourne to let him slide through, how much do Freo really want him etc 

32 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

Help me out here. I realise a deal will be completed but in the unlikely event that Fremantle can not get a deal done or West Coast drop out does Jackson go into the draft. ie who holds the cards here. 

Jackson is out of contract. If a trade can’t be arranged, he walks to the preseason draft. Freo have the leverage as a result because we have more to lose. It will all come down to how reasonable both parties are. Freo could stooge us, but it’s not in their best interests to if they want to acquire Jackson smoothly and maintain a positive reputation for trading with the other clubs.

Expect it will get done as projected for a first round pick this year and a future first round pick. Would rather higher picks or quality player like Young or Serong, but won’t happen unfortunately.

And also if he walks to the PSD meth coke have pick 2 and would use it on Jackson so Freo really need to stump up.

1 hour ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I personally believe that in some way, shape or form the dogs first will be going back to Freo with Lobb landing there and the final deal will be something like 

Pick 8 and 11 for Luke Jackson 

Sounds fair to me

4 hours ago, CYB said:

Which is about right. I don't know whether we try to take it to WC and split their pick 2 + 2nd rounder (which goes to the Pies for Grundy). They would be silly not to look at that, because there are no WA boys that will go pick 2 and they get 2 picks in the 1st round. And we secure Cadman with said pick. 

Yeah not too sure. my gut feel is that West Coast ultimately won't be involved in any meaningful way. 

I reckon we could have a look at the Bombers, Giants or even North though. if we had picks 8 and 11 and maybe a future we could try to work something out around a top 5 pick and get Cadman in the door. 

if the net result is Jackson out, Grundy and Cadman in it's a great result for the club

15 hours ago, mmwd6 said:

Peter Bell is stubborn. I don't see him coughing up two first rounders unless they're both low (i.e. 13 and next years F1). If pick 8 is inolved then that probably means fremantle are giving up 13, F1, and F2 (to port) for Jackson and Bell's ego is way too high for that. 

I think it gets done for 13 and F1 with Jackson and 32 going back their way. We could package 13 and F1 for a top 10 pick from someone I'm sure. 

Why would 32 go back Freo's way? Jackson is worth at least this and next year's first round pick. The only way Jackson gets to Freo or West Coast is if we agree to a trade. The alternative is he walks into the draft or agrees to a 1-2 year contract extension which provides time for Freo and West Coast to put together the required trade currency.  If Jackson felt that Freo were playing games then he'd probably tell them to get their house in order and come back in a year or two when they're serious about trading him in.

20 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Why would 32 go back Freo's way? Jackson is worth at least this and next year's first round pick. The only way Jackson gets to Freo or West Coast is if we agree to a trade. The alternative is he walks into the draft or agrees to a 1-2 year contract extension which provides time for Freo and West Coast to put together the required trade currency.  If Jackson felt that Freo were playing games then he'd probably tell them to get their house in order and come back in a year or two when they're serious about trading him in.

Every trade that involves multiple first rounders has at least one second going back the other way. Kelly, Cameron more recent examples. 

A deal will get done, even if it's unders. End of the day we'll be getting at least one first round pick. We're not going to walk him to the PSD because they're offering 13 and 13 rathern than 8 and 10. 

He's moved everything back to WA, bought a house there. If signing for another two years was an option for him he would've done it already. 

Talks have been ongoing since 2021. All parties would probably be on the same page by now. A deal will get done, and I think it will get done early. I also think it's going to be less than what we want, but it won't be insulting enough to turn it down and let him walk. 

Edited September 28, 20222 yr by mmwd6

5 hours ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I personally believe that in some way, shape or form the dogs first will be going back to Freo with Lobb landing there and the final deal will be something like 

Pick 8 and 11 for Luke Jackson 

Yeah I think your pretty close to what will happen there. Pick 8 and either Freos future first round or whatever they can turn that pick into. Think we will end up with pick 8 and a pick between 11-15 for Jackson. 
I wouldn’t be surprised if we then tried to trade next years first to help us move up draft this year. 
A bit will depend on how we rate this draft compared to next years but given our history I expect us to be keener to grab a couple of players in the first round of the draft this year rather than saving picks for next year.