Farewell Luke Jackson

[The heart beats true 18,123]

11 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Personally, I think any player or coach who has helped me have a sliver of sporting joy in my life by winning a premiership can do whatever the [censored] they want without any grievance...

Can I completely agree with this statement and still boo him if he starts to play well against us? Don’t take all the fun out of it!

[Lord Nev 13,512]

 

[furious d 464]

1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

Interesting.

How do you feel about Lever ? I'm sure you loved that he came to us.

And what do you know about Luke's situation. Nothing I imagine. 

Supporters get way too caught up in emotionality about an individual they know nothing about.

I’m fine with Lever, he made sure Adelaide were well compensated by us. As long as Dogga does the same by us there won’t be any I’ll will from me. If he walks to the psd I’ll boo him for the rest of his career. It’s up to him

[Neil Crompton 5,535]

12 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

You are right, I have no idea what his situation is, but I think if there were greater issues going on with family, we would have supported him and given him leave as we did with Kosi when his mum died. We have shown over and over again that we are a family club and that we support our players when they need it. 

Like I said, if he is truly home sick and has valid reasons to go home, then so be it. He should nominate WA as his home, NOT the Fremantle Football Club. I hope that is the case and I hope it is a win win situation.

Doesn't mean I want to see Jackson go on to become the best player in the competition. I have no interest in helping other teams get better. Do you?

JNM, I think it was Goodwindees who stated/hinted some months back that the move home was for reasons more significant than just homesickness. And if he goes, it certainly will open up some good opportunities for us. So I have no problem wishing him well. I hope he can reach his full playing potential despite the burden he will now have to carry - whichever club he goes too. But I very much doubt he will. Unfortunately, I believe that his full potential would have been reached at the MFC. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, furious d said:

I’m fine with Lever, he made sure Adelaide were well compensated by us. As long as Dogga does the same by us there won’t be any I’ll will from me. If he walks to the psd I’ll boo him for the rest of his career. It’s up to him

The player has 0 say in what trade deal is done between clubs.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

11 hours ago, A F said:

Some will think this is a strange thing to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if our FD are fine with almost pushing out LJ, providing we can plug multiple deficiencies on our list with the capital his trade will hopefully provide.

Yep it can be a win win for both clubs

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

13 hours ago, adonski said:

Not sure why we never experimented with him as an inside mid, or on the wing

Hang on, I think I do actually...

Inside mid, why obviously our clearances are a deficiency but that’s to be expected with the likes of Oliver, Viney, Trac, Brayshaw and Harmes running through the middle 🤔🤔🤔

[Wodjathefirst 2,632]

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Can I completely agree with this statement and still boo him if he starts to play well against us? Don’t take all the fun out of it!

Totally agree. It’s football and it’s tribal. So… thanks Jacko for being part of it in 2021. 
Hope you enjoy going home and I hope you don’t snag another flag and we of course do.
Pretty simple, you are now the enemy.

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Wodjathefirst

[Jibroni 5,003]

Meth Coke need midfielders, cant see them offering pick 2 for Jackson unless they can split Pick 2 into multiple picks.

[rjay 24,919]

7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The player has 0 say in what trade deal is done between clubs.

Not totally correct 'Nev'...Danger gave up his rights as a free agent so the Cats had to trade.

This is not the same but if Jackson doesn't nominate a club then in effect he is influencing the deal a bit.

[Mr Steve 3,820]

Being reported that todays the day for Jackson. So we should know soon. 

[rjay 24,919]

1 minute ago, Jibroni said:

Meth Coke need midfielders, cant see them offering pick 2 for Jackson unless they can split Pick 2 into multiple picks.

Jackson could develop into a very good mid...

[Redleg 40,905]

17 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yep it can be a win win for both clubs

IF he went to WC and we got 2 and 20, we could split 2, if we don't want Cadman and have our eye on others,  who the split picks could still get. That would give you 3 picks inside 20 and maybe even a player somewhere in the deals.

It would certainly open up a lot of options.

Then you tell Pies its our next pick in the 30's for Grundy or he stays. 

This trade period and draft could really change our list for the better, if we are smart with drafting and trading.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Redleg

[Jaded No More 68,913]

5 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Meth Coke need midfielders, cant see them offering pick 2 for Jackson unless they can split Pick 2 into multiple picks.

They also need a NicNat replacement. And a Kennedy replacement. And basically everything. I wouldn't give up pick 2 for Jackson, but they might. 

Either way, having 2 clubs competing for him is better for us, and that is all that matters. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

Not totally correct 'Nev'...Danger gave up his rights as a free agent so the Cats had to trade.

This is not the same but if Jackson doesn't nominate a club then in effect he is influencing the deal a bit.

Sure a player can nominate a club, but again the player does not in any way determine the deal, that's done by the clubs themselves.

[Demonstone 22,506]

15 minutes ago, furious d said:

There won’t be any I’ll will from me.

No I will will from me, either.  

What we have here is the old double standard that afflicts supporters of every club in the AFL.

Player requests trade to my team:  Legend!  Great decision!  He'll be a champion!  Onya son!  Coup!

Player requests trade from my team:  Boo!  Traitor!  Hope you never win a flag!  Ungrateful!

[Colm 2,151]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

IF he went to WC and we got 2 and 20, we could split 2, if we don't want Cadman and have our eye on others,  who the split picks could still get. That would give you 3 picks inside 20 and maybe even a player somewhere in the deals.

It would certainly open up a lot of options.

Then you tell Pies its our next pick in the 30's for Grundy or he stays. 

West Coast need to get a few good players out of this trade period in my opinion. 
perhaps they split pick 2 with us getting one of the( perhaps the lower pick somewhere in the teens)and we swap first rounds picks next year. 
They then get Jackson and a good pick this year while staying in the first round next year and we get a pick this year and a very good pick next year. 
Lots of options now that West Coast are reportedly back in the picture. 

[ElDiablo14 4,998]

Just now, Demonstone said:

No I will will from me, either.  

What we have here is the old double standard that afflicts supporters of every club in the AFL.

Player requests trade to my team:  Legend!  Great decision!  He'll be a champion!  Onya son!  Coup!

Player requests trade from my team:  Boo!  Traitor!  Hope you never win a flag!  Ungrateful!

I guess it's not always the same ... You'd have to look at the context of the situation to be able to determine when a player has done wrong by the club.

I believe the issue with Jackson is that we drafted him and it's been just 3 years, hard not to feel angry about the situation 

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Just because I don’t wish Jackson well in his career, doesn’t mean I don’t wish him well in his personal life, or appreciate what he did for us while in red and blue. 

As a supporter I have every right to feel disappointed and pass judgement on what I feel is a poor career move, which I also feel is a soft decision in what is a short career (compared to most careers anyway). 
 

I will be delighted if he stayed, but I think the circus around his decision was a major distraction this year and I’m really disappointed that he wasn’t clear on his intention last year when we had Cerra wanting to come to us! Now we will likely get screwed over as Freo don’t have a great trade hand and they’ve signed most of their best players. 
 

Edit: please don’t compare Jackson to Lever. Adelaide was a dumpster fire post camp. Lever had a serious partner (now wife and mother of his children), and obviously had intentions to raise his kids near family. Jackson is leaving the reigning premiers, and is 20 without a partner or kids to consider. 
The two situations are completely different. 

Jeff White, Ed Langdon thoughts on those moves back home.

Referring to Jackson’s decision as poor and soft is I’ll informed. “ I’m a supporter who has a right”is a cop out, it’s like saying I pay my money to get into a game so I can boo whoever I like

You have no idea why he’s returning home, he’s given his all to us for 3 seasons and was a massive part of us breaking a 57 year drought.

 I wish him well and have faith our FD will use whatever compensation we get to improve our list.

We applaud Vic players returning home and never refer to them as soft

Edited September 13, 2022 by Pennant St Dee

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

2 hours ago, Colm said:

Would people be happy for the following trade to happen?!

West Coast get Jackson and our pick 34

We get pick 2 and 26

We get Cadman and give pies 26 for Grundy

I’d go pick 2, 26 and Darling For our 2nd rounder and LJ. 
 

We then trade pick 26 for Grundy and end up with Cadman, Darling and Grundy.

I don’t think Darling would want to come to Melbourne though but who knows. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by CYB

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

IF he went to WC and we got 2 and 20, we could split 2, if we don't want Cadman and have our eye on others,  who the split picks could still get. That would give you 3 picks inside 20 and maybe even a player somewhere in the deals.

It would certainly open up a lot of options.

Then you tell Pies its our next pick in the 30's for Grundy or he stays. 

This trade period and draft could really change our list for the better, if we are smart with drafting and trading.

Agree, we stuck with our method for most of the season and no doubt the changes in game plan they tried to implement were to late and show why we need to continually evolve

[Ben 222]

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

Who leaves work for a go home factor in real life?

Not many have the opportunity to. Most people work where they’ve always lived, and who could blame them? Families are better together.

Jackson put his hand up in the draft in 2019 and had no say on where he would be going. He’s given us three years, he’s seen out his contract. As a premiership player for us, I’ll still love him and wish him all the best back west.

[furious d 464]

30 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The player has 0 say in what trade deal is done between clubs.

So Luke has no say on walking to the psd. I think you’re wrong

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

IF he went to WC and we got 2 and 20, we could split 2, if we don't want Cadman and have our eye on others,  who the split picks could still get. That would give you 3 picks inside 20 and maybe even a player somewhere in the deals.

It would certainly open up a lot of options.

Then you tell Pies its our next pick in the 30's for Grundy or he stays. 

This trade period and draft could really change our list for the better, if we are smart with drafting and trading.

Does anyone have two picks in the top 20 they would trade us for pick 2 that is fair and equitable?

[Redleg 40,905]

20 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

They also need a NicNat replacement. And a Kennedy replacement. And basically everything. I wouldn't give up pick 2 for Jackson, but they might. 

Either way, having 2 clubs competing for him is better for us, and that is all that matters. 

As long as Jacko says he won't go into the PSD.