Welcome to Demonland - Pick 17

[The Stigga 1,097]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:28, FlashInThePan said:

I think we have to accept that you need to give to get. We got the trades done that we knew we needed to get done. One trade in isolation doesn't matter, it is the balanced list you build overall. What we paid for Lever looks to me like peanuts when I see what that back line has done for our confidence over the year.

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Exactly, its like Carlton and Freo are dancing around at the moment about Cerra and whether a future 2nd or future 3rd will be given on top of pick 6.

Just ridiculous, get it done.

[Mr Steve 3,820]

Everything happens for a reason. We got Jason Taylor  because Mark Neeld insisted. The pain might have been worth it.

[PaulRB 6,436]

To my mind the benefit of swapping next years 16-18 for this years 17 is that the kid we pick will have a year of growth and development under their belt. Taking Bowey as an example, we gained 6 games and know he'll likely be better rolling into his second year than a first year player... 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:05, Stiff Arm said:

Only if he is available at pick 21+, as unlikely as that is. We would've used 17 by then anyway.

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My understanding is we can match if we have the points

[Nascent 9,345]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:32, COVID Dan said:

My understanding is we can match if we have the points

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Not unless he's bid on after pick 20. They changed the rules at the end of last year so a team that selects him prior to 20 will get him and we won't be able to match. Father/sons are different and old rules still apply.

[roy11 4,076]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:32, COVID Dan said:

My understanding is we can match if we have the points

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"Essentially it means that, for 2021, the top-20 picks are a protected zone from NGA players. If a club picks them in that part of the draft, their NGA club has no ability to match a bid on them. But if they are bid beyond the top-20, they can join their NGA club if it chooses to match a bid."

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:35, Nascent said:

Not unless he's bid on after pick 20. They changed the rules at the end of last year so a team that selects him prior to 20 will get him and we won't be able to match. Father/sons are different and old rules still apply.

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Sorry, thanks I wasn't up to date with the rules

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:32, PaulRB said:

To my mind the benefit of swapping next years 16-18 for this years 17 is that the kid we pick will have a year of growth and development under their belt. Taking Bowey as an example, we gained 6 games and know he'll likely be better rolling into his second year than a first year player... 

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Kossie we also got a lot of game time into his 1st year.

I reckon we have been really savvy in this area.

[spirit of norm smith 16,680]

Dees could be looking at securing Mac Andrew with a first round pick themselves. It could be on a knife edge.
I think it’s again a very smart move as there are a number of really quality players in the 10-20 range which the Dees might access if one slips down the order.  

[Nascent 9,345]

With Chandler possibly leaving, do we do the salary dump deal with Gold Coast and pick up Macpherson as small forward back up and pick 19? 

[Nascent 9,345]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:36, COVID Dan said:

Sorry, thanks I wasn't up to date with the rules

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All good, they change things on the fly these days.

[Red and Blue realist 2,063]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:20, Greendale said:

It's hardly even about points, the picks line up very well with each other. Picks 33 and 45 are slightly worse than 37 and 49. Therefore we think pick 17 must be at least slightly better than out future 1st. I'm not sure it should be.

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Maybe they rate this trade period more than next, or they have something else planned? Or we just always plan to trade out our future 1st knowing we can always get one back, and this was the best on offer this year? 

[drysdale demon 4,837]

  On 06/10/2021 at 04:39, Deefiant said:

One of these years this will come back to bite us....

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No it won't

[Adam The God 30,752]

 

  On 06/10/2021 at 04:26, DeeSpencer said:

My concern this year is we’d be trading a future first and something for pick 19, so we’d immediately be losing, with no room to make up ground. The best we could do is break even on the first rounder and not have given up much else.

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What do you mean no room to make up ground? I swear someone posts the equivalent of this every year. "I don't like this! What will we do next year?" 

We'll do what we do every year. We'll trade our future first. And then some Demonlander will come on here again and worry how we're going to get it done again the next year.

[cantstandyasam 700]

We have traded our way into the first round again. Do we go for Mac Andrew and hope he's there or a slider??

[drysdale demon 4,837]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:45, A F said:

 

What do you mean no room to make up ground? I swear someone posts the equivalent of this every year. "I don't like this! What will we do next year?" 

We'll do what we do every year. We'll trade our future first. And then some Demonlander will come on here again and worry how we're going to get it done again the next year.

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Amazing isn't it, some just can't see the big picture.

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[Fritta and Turner 4,697]

  On 06/10/2021 at 05:42, drysdale demon said:

No it won't

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I have a mad urge to say Ohhhhhh yes it will;  just for the theatre mind you.....really we have got very good at this so lets stick to it....

[Jibroni 5,068]

Outside Mid ideally but given JT's record he can do whatever he wants. 

I have the impression Andrew will be in the Top 15

[Jaded No More 68,976]

God we are good 

[RedBlueandTrue 359]

Love it. Dees in the first round? Never in doubt 

[Fritta and Turner 4,697]

Someone tall please

[Demonland 74,467]

 

[Deecisive 1,709]

trading forward next years pick will help us hopefully recruit new young players who will help us go forward in coming years. Yes we have lost next years first round, which hopefully would be around 18-20 mark depending on AFL handouts and freebies. That does not mean we cannot trade up to get another top 10 or 20 pick. unfortunately, having a good winning side comes with consequences i.e. players will be wanting more money, other players will be looking to move to other clubs because they cannot get a regular run in the seniors, etc. We are likely to see more players leave in the coming years, this will give us some potential players we can trade to again enhance future draft picks. while we have an exceptional team, getting some young talent in to fill potential future gaps is not a bad way to go. so far pretty impressed with where we are at, and i doubt we have finished wheeling and dealing, so lets see how far they can drive this trade period

[1964_2 2,357]

Anyone criticising our list management / draft strategy / trading has rocks in their head! 

Recent years efforts are nothing short of genius, and has won us a flag!

Be grateful and have faith. 

look forward to seeing who we pick up with 17.