34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Four weeks and four thousand bucks for 🤬 

22 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Like Tom Hawkins sorry he broke Steven May's eye socket.

Spare me. I don't buy those apologies - especially for serial offenders.  Having said this, ScoMo could take a leaf out of Toby's book

Don't open that can of worms @Demon17 still makes my blood boil that it wasn't even looked at. 

bloody hell, 2 hours 20 min and still going

 

Two weeks for Greene plus a suspended sentence of 10 weeks for any offence. When 1diots refuse to learn you need to make it very clear.

20 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

The irony of this on a fan forum where threads and match day pages are devoted to bullying and abusing umpires is not lost.

Imo,  everyone is missing the bigger picture here. Slamming Toby Greene, sure whatever, but totally ignoring the bigger question that afl supporters and culture is to abuse and disrespect umpires generally. Especially behind keyboards.

(Not in direct reference to this post WCW, you're always civil). 

This is a valid debate.

It does not mean what Greene did is any less worthy of suspension, though.

Greene needs to be rubbed out it totally not on to walk into an umpire it sends a horrible message. After playing the game I decided to umpire and got a reserve grade grand final. I was shirt fronted by a player and close to knocked out. I am not comparing the two but if you don’t protect umpires you have no game. That player copped 10 years and another two years (ex state player) for a push no harder than Greene. I never umpired another game and if I was wavering this Greene decision will push some into a similar decision. 
in relation to Toby he came from a broken family and from all accounts had a very tough time with his father. It no excuse but there would be a lifetime of experiences that bring him to this point. An earlier poster questioned GWS leadership and I agree. Where is the mentoring his problems have been obvious. The penchant for the club to alway plead not guilty is part of the problem. If they took a stronger stance internally maybe this would happen.

20 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Gleeson: It is simply not true to say you didn't intend to make contact with him, is that correct?

Just keep reframing the question in more confusing ways and Toby should break and start swearing and abusing the lawyer then case closed!

Soooo you'd say it's not untrue that you didn't think you should not have made contact?  I find that have to believe

Toby Greene after an hour of intense questioning ...

Gleeson is [censored]. 

I reckon this will be 4 weeks.

27 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

The irony of this on a fan forum where threads and match day pages are devoted to bullying and abusing umpires is not lost.

Imo,  everyone is missing the bigger picture here. Slamming Toby Greene, sure whatever, but totally ignoring the bigger question that afl supporters and culture is to abuse and disrespect umpires generally. Especially behind keyboards.

(Not in direct reference to this post WCW, you're always civil). 

What takes place in the stands, and on line is totally different to even verbal abuse by players on the field, let alone aggressive contact, which is what occurred.  

FCS if the AFL are serious about 'defending umpires' and 'the integrity of the game' then they must stop any contact with umpires (other than the truly accidental in play) AND also start penalising on field abuse and even questioning - start with an automatic free kick, and add an immediate 50 meters each time it continues.  It would stop almost instantly.

 

Just now, monoccular said:

What takes place in the stands, and on line is totally different to even verbal abuse by players on the field, let alone aggressive contact, which is what occurred.  

FCS if the AFL are serious about 'defending umpires' and 'the integrity of the game' then they must stop any contact with umpires (other than the truly accidental in play) AND also start penalising on field abuse and even questioning - start with an automatic free kick, and add an immediate 50 meters each time it continues.  It would stop almost instantly.

Players are already being fined for bumping into umpires accidentally. It would make a mockery of this incident if Greene was fined. 

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

bloody hell, 2 hours 20 min and still going

 

The length of this doesn’t bode well. The longer it takes to arrive at a decision, the more likely he’ll be given less than what it deserves, imho. 

6 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Toby Greene after an hour of intense questioning ...

YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I INTENDED TO BUMP HIM!!

YOU WANT ME ON THAT FIELD, YOU NEED ME ON THAT FIELD!

This bloke and his little legal wallet fraternity have been holding AFL footy spellbound for long enough. We all have rules to play by..

11 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Gleeson forgot to add Selwood, Dangerfield and Hawkins.

Greene's counsel "Toby Greene's representative, Ben Ihle QC, agrees that "it's not a good look for the game … it's a terrible look". But he says the question the Tribunal must consider is: "At the point contact was made, what was going through Toby Greene's mind?" He says the Tribunal can't make a decision based on the look, but what was going through Greene's head."

Who GAF what was going through Toby's head. He knocked the umpire full stop.

Get in the bin you serial offender.

Toby should have had more caution. Toby waddles when walking like Leigh Matthews. No excuse and he was angry. But I cant believe the hatred.

This is not a mountain it is a molehill. I wouldnt be surprised if all those Demonlanders who are civil all the time except on the game day thread, are the ones baying for blood. If it was Hawkins or Danger he wouldnt be charged. It doesnt matter but I did 2 years as an umpire years ago. It also doesnt matter that I like Toby Green and I believe a repremand and 1 week is enough. Lochie Neal got off lightly.

20 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Two weeks for Greene plus a suspended sentence of 10 weeks for any offence. When 1diots refuse to learn you need to make it very clear.

Agree with this.

3 minutes ago, Damo said:

Toby should have had more caution. Toby waddles when walking like Leigh Matthews. No excuse and he was angry. But I cant believe the hatred.

This is not a mountain it is a molehill. I wouldnt be surprised if all those Demonlanders who are civil all the time except on the game day thread, are the ones baying for blood. If it was Hawkins or Danger he wouldnt be charged. It doesnt matter but I did 2 years as an umpire years ago. It also doesnt matter that I like Toby Green and I believe a repremand and 1 week is enough. Lochie Neal got off lightly.

It was once Hawkins, with a much less offensive action, and he copped a 1 match ban, which would have been 2 if he didn’t plead guilty.

I suspect whatever happens today, there will be an appeal. GWS and Greene will want to appeal any suspension and my gut tells me the AFL will appeal if there isn't a suspension.

I think the footpath example is all the evidence we need, Toby Greene does not have respect for anyone else and he certainly did not show any to the umpire. 

 

Litany of offences by all different modes. Overdue for justice.

9 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I suspect whatever happens today, there will be an appeal. GWS and Greene will want to appeal any suspension and my gut tells me the AFL will appeal if there isn't a suspension.

I assume they’ll give him a big suspension on the assumption of an appeal where the number of weeks will be slightly downgraded. 
Either way, what great preparation for finals for GWS. Greene is such a wonderful leader. 

4 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I think the footpath example is all the evidence we need, Toby Greene does not have respect for anyone else and he certainly did not show any to the umpire. 

There is absolutely no situation in which a normal person would accidentally bump into someone without apologising on the street or otherwise.