2 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

I would have thought that if Cerra wanted to go to Carlton he would have nominated them by now. Or am I being too logical

 

The only counter argument l can see to that is that by holding out he may increase competition for his signature and that can lead to more $$$

Edited September 21, 20213 yr by Demons1858

7 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

The only counter argument l can see to that is that by holding out he may increase competition for his signature and that can lead to more $$$

Nah, he is waiting till after the GF, and he is nominating us

42 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Cerra has pretty much openly stated that he just wants to get home to Victoria and also wants Freo compensated well.

Choosing Carlton isn't exactly the worse case scenario. They've recruited a HIGHLY successful person in Brian Cook and it seems Voss is their man to coach.

Their list isn't exactly bad as some are making out to be. You've got a 10 year key forward in Harry McKay you can build around and then Sam Walsh who's an absolute star in the making. Weitering also is a future All Australian full back and adding Cerra makes them extra competitive. They still need to add a few depth which they have already with Hewett who imo is a better pick up then Saad and Williams purely on the fact he's come from an extremely well drilled culture and we'll give them great two way running in their midfield.

From our perspective I simply cannot see how we please a Fremantle due to their high demand. Jackson and Brayshaw are completely off limits so that just needs to be ruled out.

If Cerra wants a smooth transition home then Cerra for Carltons pick 6 makes sense in a way. 

I have no idea what is on Cerra’s mind but I am happy to debate the quality Of the Carlton list. 

it seems to me they have spent a massive whack of their salary cap on running half backs. Possibly the easiest position to draft for and makes absolutely no sense. How do you fit in Saad, Williams, Docherty, Newman? Honestly, how do you recruit that many developed defenders and still not be able to defend??

 Adding Jack Martin for big coin was another strange choice and their high draft picks besides Walsh are looking very questionable. Both Dow and Petrovski-seton seem to be a fail either in skill or development and it is hard to say what is going on with Cripps. I’m guessing he is carrying an injury and may get back to his old form but for what they must have given him to stay, he has better.

 There are pieces that look good, like Mackay, Walsh and Wietering, but otherwise the list looks like a dogs breakfast to me.

53 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Well said.

So many people are unaware or ignorant of the things that the AFL did under Andy Demetriou to save us from extinction.

We were an absolute embarrassment. A rabble. Broke, with a terrible playing list and clueless "leaders" in the boardroom and in the footy department.

The AFL decided that we needed saving and sent Jackson in. They gave the subtle nudge to Roos to join us and also helped us pay our own "tanking" fines.

We owe Demetriou a huge debt of gratitude.

That's fine but I didn't really comment on how Jackson landed at the Demons, only that getting Cook is as significant for the Blues as PJ was for us and they may turn things around and no longer be a place where talent goes to die as we were for so long.

On Voss how many failed coaches have amounted to anything? I can't think of anyone. There is one thing Voss will know and that's how to get a 2 man midfield competitive until preliminary final week. 

25 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

I have no idea what is on Cerra’s mind but I am happy to debate the quality Of the Carlton list. 

it seems to me they have spent a massive whack of their salary cap on running half backs. Possibly the easiest position to draft for and makes absolutely no sense. How do you fit in Saad, Williams, Docherty, Newman? Honestly, how do you recruit that many developed defenders and still not be able to defend??

 Adding Jack Martin for big coin was another strange choice and their high draft picks besides Walsh are looking very questionable. Both Dow and Petrovski-seton seem to be a fail either in skill or development and it is hard to say what is going on with Cripps. I’m guessing he is carrying an injury and may get back to his old form but for what they must have given him to stay, he has better.

 There are pieces that look good, like Mackay, Walsh and Wietering, but otherwise the list looks like a dogs breakfast to me.

I said the same about Essendon's list last year and they made the finals this year.

I've learnt not to completely write clubs off before they begin the new season.

While Carlton were woeful at times this year they were still challenging for top 8 in the last 5 weeks of the season.

Edited September 21, 20213 yr by dazzledavey36

23 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

I have no idea what is on Cerra’s mind but I am happy to debate the quality Of the Carlton list. 

it seems to me they have spent a massive whack of their salary cap on running half backs. Possibly the easiest position to draft for and makes absolutely no sense. How do you fit in Saad, Williams, Docherty, Newman? Honestly, how do you recruit that many developed defenders and still not be able to defend??

 Adding Jack Martin for big coin was another strange choice and their high draft picks besides Walsh are looking very questionable. Both Dow and Petrovski-seton seem to be a fail either in skill or development and it is hard to say what is going on with Cripps. I’m guessing he is carrying an injury and may get back to his old form but for what they must have given him to stay, he has better.

 There are pieces that look good, like Mackay, Walsh and Wietering, but otherwise the list looks like a dogs breakfast to me.

That's the difference they went for flakey flankers while we went for midfielders. Cook will go down like Jackson one of the best CEO's if he can get Carlton up there. It's not a one year fix due to Cerra it's at least 5 years of pain while they recruit midfielders Hewett will help if he goes there. 

I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2 best midfields in  the comp are playing off in the Grand Final.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That's fine but I didn't really comment on how Jackson landed at the Demons, only that getting Cook is as significant for the Blues as PJ was for us and they may turn things around and no longer be a place where talent goes to die as we were for so long.

Sorry mate.

Wasn't a stab at you. I was referring to the general football following public, not the diehards on here.

 

Apologies.

Carlton have nice top end talent that’s selling a dummy to people thinking it’s an easy fix. 
 

If Voss does Stephen Bradbury his way into the job, it’s too bad McRae took what Voss really needs, Leppa. 
 

Carlton lack any defensive system, combined with or because of a lack of 2 way runners. That is going to be no easy fix, you reckon Teague wasn’t aware of it the whole time?

They're wasted money on flankers as others have pointed out, instead of hard workers to compliment what they have going for them. Cerra would be a handy addition to their (any) midfield, will he make a big difference there? I’m not convinced at all. 
 

The other problem Carlton have is the teams around them will get better. They finished on the same points as Hawthorn ffs, in a pure development year for the Hawks. Essendon, GWS will hold if not get better, Freo should improve, and they’ll drop points to teams falling down the ladder that are better than them, Richmond, West Coast, Geelong…

Apart from Geelong it’s a pretty vibrant top 8 that may take a fair effort to crack into in the coming years. 

Really surprised Richmond aren't part of the discussion. I would have thought they needed some midfield depth coming through and also a replacement for Cotchin who'll be 32 next year. 

Haven't bothered to look at their draft hand but I am sure they have 3 first round draft picks?

28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Really surprised Richmond aren't part of the discussion. I would have thought they needed some midfield depth coming through and also a replacement for Cotchin who'll be 32 next year. 

Haven't bothered to look at their draft hand but I am sure they have 3 first round draft picks?

Richmond have a tight salary cap don't they? Paying for Lynch, Martin and being a 3 time premiership team.

I know you don't think he will come to us but the best result for him would be to come to us. The best result for Freo would be for him to go to Carltank.

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Could easily be waiting on Carlton coach?

Potentially that's part of it, but Carlton would be in constant contact with him about that, he'd have a pretty good idea who it's going to be, and i'd guess would have for a few days at least. 

it would be hard to be super thrilled about joining Carlton when the other team really keen on you is starting favourites for a grand final and based on their list profile looks a chance to stay there for a while

8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

On Voss how many failed coaches have amounted to anything? I can't think of anyone. There is one thing Voss will know and that's how to get a 2 man midfield competitive until preliminary final week. 

Um . . . . . Norm Smith.

Depending on how one defines "failed" (e.g. not coaching their first club to a grand final), John Northey, Malcolm Blight, Malthouse and Walls were pretty good on their second time around. 

Edited September 21, 20213 yr by Queanbeyan Demon
Typo

8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

On Voss how many failed coaches have amounted to anything? I can't think of anyone. There is one thing Voss will know and that's how to get a 2 man midfield competitive until preliminary final week. 

It's a good point but also how many failed coaches get that second chance? 

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

Richmond have a tight salary cap don't they? Paying for Lynch, Martin and being a 3 time premiership team.

I know you don't think he will come to us but the best result for him would be to come to us. The best result for Freo would be for him to go to Carltank.

If you had asked me this time last week in regards to Cerra I would have said my hopes of getting him was at 95%. Just finding it extremely hard how to satisfy Freo especially Peter Bell being such a tight [censored]. Unfortunately we just don't have the capital to satisfy Freo.

I'm a bigger fan more anyone then on Cerra. His under 18's year still sticks clear in my mind on how dominant he was. His Eastern Rangers coach Darren Bewick has been on record saying at the time that he can be as equal talented as Petracca who he also coached.

Throw Cerra into our midfield mix next year and it's the best midfield combination in the competition. 

Edited September 21, 20213 yr by dazzledavey36

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Really surprised Richmond aren't part of the discussion. I would have thought they needed some midfield depth coming through and also a replacement for Cotchin who'll be 32 next year. 

Haven't bothered to look at their draft hand but I am sure they have 3 first round draft picks?

And he is a Tigers fan.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 His Eastern Rangers coach Darren Bewick has been on record saying at the time that he can be as equal talented as Petracca who he also coached.

That’s the bit that gets me excited. If we commit to him and he commits to us we will get it done, but it would probably mean losing someone.

18 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Um . . . . . Norm Smith.

Depending on how one defines "failed" (e.g. not coaching their first club to a grand final), John Northey, Malcolm Blight, Malthouse and Walls were pretty good on their second time around. 

Norm Smith is one he got the Swans in the final once which was a fine achievement considering how woeful they were. Northey always left before he got sacked. Blight is another did he get sacked from Geelong? Malthouse situation was a disgrace didn't get sacked until he coached the graveyard. Thank god for Eddie it could have been a Collingwood dynasty if not for his love affair with Buckley. 

Anyone who has been given the flick as a coach is a failed coach IMO. I hold fears for Voss he failed at Brisbane and he's an assistant in a mentally weak club which is Port. Not a great resume I wouldn't be overly confident if I was a Carlton fan.

25 minutes ago, Redleg said:

And he is a Tigers fan.

Someone barracking for a club has no impact on their decision to join it 

7 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

Carlton have nice top end talent that’s selling a dummy to people thinking it’s an easy fix. 
 

If Voss does Stephen Bradbury his way into the job, it’s too bad McRae took what Voss really needs, Leppa. 
 

Carlton lack any defensive system, combined with or because of a lack of 2 way runners. That is going to be no easy fix, you reckon Teague wasn’t aware of it the whole time?

They're wasted money on flankers as others have pointed out, instead of hard workers to compliment what they have going for them. Cerra would be a handy addition to their (any) midfield, will he make a big difference there? I’m not convinced at all. 
 

The other problem Carlton have is the teams around them will get better. They finished on the same points as Hawthorn ffs, in a pure development year for the Hawks. Essendon, GWS will hold if not get better, Freo should improve, and they’ll drop points to teams falling down the ladder that are better than them, Richmond, West Coast, Geelong…

Apart from Geelong it’s a pretty vibrant top 8 that may take a fair effort to crack into in the coming years. 

Just checked on their record against top 8 teams this year.

It was one win and 9 losses.

The one win was against Essendon in May.

The only thing that can be said in their favour is that they had a pretty hard draw as it transpired.  I think only Melbourne (8 - 2) and perhaps one other team played that many top 8 teams.  

I am not convinced about them

Goodness me. 

Edited September 21, 20213 yr by Queanbeyan Demon

31 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Norm Smith is one he got the Swans in the final once which was a fine achievement considering how woeful they were. Northey always left before he got sacked. Blight is another did he get sacked from Geelong? Malthouse situation was a disgrace didn't get sacked until he coached the graveyard. Thank god for Eddie it could have been a Collingwood dynasty if not for his love affair with Buckley. 

Anyone who has been given the flick as a coach is a failed coach IMO. I hold fears for Voss he failed at Brisbane and he's an assistant in a mentally weak club which is Port. Not a great resume I wouldn't be overly confident if I was a Carlton fan.

Goodness gracious me. 

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If you had asked me this time last week in regards to Cerra I would have said my hopes of getting him was at 95%. Just finding it extremely hard how to satisfy Freo especially Peter Bell being such a tight [censored]. Unfortunately we just don't have the capital to satisfy Freo.

I'm a bigger fan more anyone then on Cerra. His under 18's year still sticks clear in my mind on how dominant he was. His Eastern Rangers coach Darren Bewick has been on record saying at the time that he can be as equal talented as Petracca who he also coached.

Throw Cerra into our midfield mix next year and it's the best midfield combination in the competition. 

I get where you're coming from there, but the club have shown a great ability to get deals done over the last 5 or so years.

I think it will come down to if any of our players wants out for any reason. For example if Sparrow wants back to South Australia, there could be a deal like.

Sparrow to the Crows and Pick 33 to Richmond. 

Crows send Fischer McAsey to Richmond.

Richmond give us Pick 15.

 

We could then potentially do some sort of a deal like our Future 1st Round Pick, Pick 15 and Sam Weideman to Freo for Cerra and Pick 27.

 

But as I said, I think it will hinge on one of our players wanting out.

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Someone barracking for a club has no impact on their decision to join it 

Jordan Dawson doesn't agree

On 9/15/2021 at 5:40 PM, WERRIDEE said:

Why is Rivers gonna leave? 

This argument holds no water I think!