POSTGAME: Rd 12 vs Brisbane

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

11 minutes ago, layzie said:

DEE-FENCE!

Can’t wait to bust that one out when we’re back at games!

Like the old soccer term Catenaccio for team defence. We seem to have translated this to AFL. Our defence chains up the opposition forward line. Our defence is like that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio

 

Edited June 6, 2021 by John Crow Batty

[old55 23,576]

Raised by @Hannibal on BF - "young Lions" is a myth:

Average Attributes
	Melbourne	Attribute	Brisbane
	188.0cm	Height	187.9cm
	86.5kg	Weight	87.0kg
	24yr 9mth	Age	26yr 2mth
	88.9	Games	111.8

[layzie 33,805]

10 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Like the old soccer term Catenaccio for team defence. We seem to have translated this to AFL. Our defence chains up the opposition forward line. Our defence is like that. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio

 

Speaking my language John Crow Batty! A nice 4-4-2 formation sitting deep and soaking in pressure before breaking away on the counter attack!

[Nasher 33,616]

1 minute ago, Pollyanna said:

Raised by @Hannibal on BF - "young Lions" is a myth:

Average Attributes
	Melbourne	Attribute	Brisbane
	188.0cm	Height	187.9cm
	86.5kg	Weight	87.0kg
	24yr 9mth	Age	26yr 2mth
	88.9	Games	111.8

Median age and games is a better indication I think. Not sure how to get that until AFL Tables publishes for the round though.

In round 11, Brisbane were 25 years / 93 games, and Melbourne were 25 years / 103 games. Our only change were both on the low side of the median so ours would be the same.

Both teams look of comparable experience on paper to me.

[old55 23,576]

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Median age and games is a better indication I think. Not sure how to get that until AFL Tables publishes for the round though.

In round 11, Brisbane were 25 years / 93 games, and Melbourne were 25 years / 103 games. Our only change were both on the low side of the median so ours would be the same.

Both teams look of comparable experience on paper to me.

We had 8 players with less than 50 games vs 5 for them.

[dazzledavey36 54,944]

Surprised no one has mentioned Michael Hibberd's game on Charlie Cameron. I know he kicked 2 goals but he was completely shut out of the game and never looked like he he was going to threaten.

Well done Hibbo.

[Satan 2,871]

[jnrmac 20,065]

2 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Raised by @Hannibal on BF - "young Lions" is a myth:

Average Attributes
	Melbourne	Attribute	Brisbane
	188.0cm	Height	187.9cm
	86.5kg	Weight	87.0kg
	24yr 9mth	Age	26yr 2mth
	88.9	Games	111.8

Media going the full wazoo on Essendon last week - baby bombers mk 11

The Dees that knocked off ladder leading Bulldogs was younger than Ess  as well.

[jnrmac 20,065]

12 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

As I was watching the replay of the game again today, I couldn't help but think what an oppertunity Brisbane let pass them by last year when they assumingly (along with many others) passed up the oppertunity to sign up T Mac and instead chased and got Joe Daniher.

I suspect they would have got T Mac on a fraction of the coin and looking at the respective output of the pair, I know who I'd rather have.  Watching Daniher again yesterday reinforced to me how atrocious his goal kicking really is and what an asset T Mac's is.  Just take for example that shot that Daniher had where he tried to screw it round with a banana from 45m out on the boundary and ended up completely shanking it.  Compare that to T Mac absolutely nailing his set shots under pressure week in, week out.  These are momentum/game changing moments.

So glad we got no bites for T Mac last season and he's still at the club, producing his career best form again.

The TMac story is outstanding. Full credit to him. I am full of admiration for his focus and determination.

But lets not sugar coat the fact that for 2 years he was absolutely terrible - even by his own admission.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

25 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The TMac story is outstanding. Full credit to him. I am full of admiration for his focus and determination.

But lets not sugar coat the fact that for 2 years he was absolutely terrible - even by his own admission.

Yeah, but it's not like Daniher was outstanding throughout that period either and I'd argue that some of the fundamentals with T Mac like his goal kicking have always been better.

Was there a MFC player in 2019 that wasn't terrible?

I also don't think T Mac was all that bad last season.  He was almost at a point where he was finding his form back again and then he got his eye poked out in that game and that was his season  gone after falling out of fashion/favour with the selectors.

Edited June 6, 2021 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

7 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

TMac is on about $800k a year I think so not sure that really holds true 

Yeah, but the way the talk was at the time, I suspect the MFC was prepared to pay a reasonable portion of T Mac's wage.  Daniher cost the Lions $2.5M over 3 years = $830K per season.

[jnrmac 20,065]

14 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but it's not like Daniher was outstanding throughout that period either and I'd argue that some of the fundamentals with T Mac like his goal kicking have always been better.

I also don't think T Mac was all that bad last season.  We was almost at a point where he was finding his form back again and then he got his eye poked out in that game and that was his season  gone after falling out of fashion/favour with the selectors.

I have never thought Daniher was the superstar they made him out to be. If he could fix his kicking perhaps.....

And quite a few lazy spots in his gamne against us. Didn't run and chase ...

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

6 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

There’s been a little bit of comment on the umpiring which, overall, I didn’t think was too bad. There will always be mistakes. 
 

But the decision that I really didn’t understand was McCarthey’s mark in the second when Hipwood blocked Lever from contesting the ball. Hipwood made no effort to contest the ball and deliberately positioned himself between Lever and the ball ensuring Lever couldn’t contest it. The commentators supported Hipwood. 
 

Am I right or wrong in thinking that should have been a free to Lever?

Sorry, I thought there were a few howlers of decisions both ways.  I'll take the goal, but that fee kick paid down feild to Fritta in the first quarter was absolute rubbish.

I also thought that free kick paid against Salem holding the ball, which gifted Coleman a goal was equally rubbish, because the tackle slipped below the waist pretty early and Salem was practically tripped.

Then there was that non free where Daniher was tackled to the ground, but then allowed to kick it free whole on the ground without it being paid holding the ball was ridiculous.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Surprised no one has mentioned Michael Hibberd's game on Charlie Cameron. I know he kicked 2 goals but he was completely shut out of the game and never looked like he he was going to threaten.

Well done Hibbo.

Agree.  One of Cameron's goals came from a holding the man free, which I'm not sure Hibbo was responsible for.

And then there is the aspect of Hibbo's damaging pin point passes to players in good positions comming out of defense (in that second half in particular), which I though really helped us rebound with gusto.

Edited June 6, 2021 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[defuture15 899]

Did anyone else see the forearm to the head of kozzie at the end of the 4th quarter?

[titan_uranus 25,020]

7 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

From so easy to score against to one of the best records since 2000. 

Funnily enough not one of those other sides won the flag.

But, we also know that strong defence is usually a hallmark of premiership winners.

The way to reconcile the two is to note that points against is only one measurement of a good defence. Others, in which I believe we also rate highly, include scores from inside 50s conceded, intercept marks/possessions, and defensive 50 pressure.

5 hours ago, Nasher said:

Median age and games is a better indication I think. Not sure how to get that until AFL Tables publishes for the round though.

In round 11, Brisbane were 25 years / 93 games, and Melbourne were 25 years / 103 games. Our only change were both on the low side of the median so ours would be the same.

Both teams look of comparable experience on paper to me.

Here's some context:

I think Brisbane have 23 players because they activated their medical sub. Mathieson's played 53 games so comparing the 22 who played almost the entire game, we had 11 under 100 games and they had 10, we had 11 over 100 games and they had 12.

Relatively even, although in both instances our groups are less experienced than theirs, particularly the sub-50 game crop.

[dieter 3,325]

On 6/5/2021 at 10:46 AM, binman said:

I watched the first half again last night And without the emotion the umpiring was still appalling.

Add to above the illegal treatment Max gets.

So glad we won so people can't day we can't say tbe umpires were bad because we didn't deserve to win!

One thing I love is how our players never complain. Tbe lions were whinging all night.

Had to laugh when tmac outmarked rich and rich claims tmac held his arm. Replied showed absolutely no hold.

I loved it even more when Zorko got reported and TMac smiled in his face and offered to pick him off the floor.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

On 6/5/2021 at 1:13 AM, A F said:

Thought Jackson struggled in the first half (had a few mates), but the move to play Gawn forward and Jackson in the ruck and behind the ball in the third was a master-stroke. It may have been Gawn's decision, but Jackson got three ground ball gets in three separate passages and repelled Brisbane exits from our forward 50. His athleticism is a real asset behind the ball. He got a bit lost when asked to play on a forward in the first half, but his work in that third was brilliant.

Jackson might have struggled a bit in the first half, but still got to good spots in the forward 50 when the ball arrived and snaged a pretty handy goal in the second quarter.

I do love his work when he gets on the ball.  His pickups off the ground and 360 awareness with his handball are absolute assets.  Being able to throw in another player at the centre bounces who is quite different to Gawn in his hit out approach is probably also something which helps add a bit of unpredictability for opposition on-ballers to have to react to.

But I still think it's pretty hard to beat Max's contributions in the ruck and marking prowess dropping back behind the ball.  Some of the centre square clearances won between Max and Clarry in particular (with some good contributions from Trac) in the thrid and fourth quarters were awsome and a big factor for us getting back into the game and then our dominance of the Lions in that second half.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

10 hours ago, sue said:

I've not yet watched the replay, but my initial impression was that at the last second he did a good job of making it appear as if he was looking to mark the ball on his chest. Cleary bogus because it was never going to get past the bloke who marked it but apparently enough to fool the umps.   

Fooled them alright. That was a blatant block but the AFL loves scoring so I’m sure the umps are told to ignore those.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

6 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but the way the talk was at the time, I suspect the MFC was prepared to pay a reasonable portion of T Mac's wage.  Daniher cost the Lions $2.5M over 3 years = $830K per season.

Depends what a reasonable portion means I guess.

Collingwood are paying $300k of Treloar’s this year and that’s about the most extreme example you’ll ever see. I doubt we felt under pressure enough to pay anything like that so anybody taking Tommy wouldn’t be saving that much.

I guarantee if he was out of contract and someone could have got away with paying him $400-500k he’d be gone. 

For what it’s worth aren’t we all glad he isn’t!

[Undeeterred 3,124]

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Surprised no one has mentioned Michael Hibberd's game on Charlie Cameron. I know he kicked 2 goals but he was completely shut out of the game and never looked like he he was going to threaten.

Well done Hibbo.

I did...

[DubDee 25,868]

My favourite moment from the match. Who wins the footy? The 4 stationary Lions blokes close to the ball? Wrong. The ginga ninja that’s about to flash through the screen. What a freak

[Its Time for Another 4,218]

On 6/4/2021 at 11:04 PM, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So glad the boys turned on a good show for you @It's Time and all the other Sidaney based Demons diaspora. 

Shouldn't have any voice left after that.

Thanks @Rodney (Balls) Grinter  Have been dealing with a family issue and had to head out of  town so only just saw this.  
Here’s an update on my night. I had previously mentioned that Mrs IT finally joined me for an MFC game. First time 28 years. Plus our kids came too. Half way through  the first quarter she’s not looking anymore and says I didn’t come out here to see them play badly. Half wat through the second she said she was going to leave. I politely told her that won’t be happening. I said they’ll come back and have a famous win. By the end she was screaming louder than anyone else, embarrassing our daughter no end. On Saturday morning I listened to her singing the song to herself in the shower. She remembered about 3 words and tra lala’ed the rest. Had a big laugh to myself. She’s coming to QB now. 
Go Dees. One of the great wins. I still can’t believe we got to see it live. 
 

[deanox 9,922]

13 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

I think it would reasonable to require Hipwood to put his hands up in the air for the mark, rather than purely hold Lever out of the contest, to escape scrutiny.

lf they want to "fix" football, and bring back the old contested style like they all claim they do, then this is the main thing they need to fix.

It's illegal to block, screen, body contact etc. in any way that prevents someone trying to contest a mark.

Physical contact is fine as long as in l it is part of you actively trying to contest the mark yourself.

So just go hard on this rule. Pay all of them. We'll have packs of players all trying to get hands on the football again, crumbers swarming.

We'll have more one on ones because they can't afford to block in case they give the free kick away and because you can't afford to leave your player to 3rd man up if you don't have a block being laid so you have the over the top sit.

It's a really easy fix.

[Adam The God 30,259]

15 hours ago, binman said:

A free every day of the week bb  text book blocking.

Bizarre none of the commentators said so. In fact they praised hippwood 

Likewise, the block on Salem for Cameron's first goal. FIRST CRACK praised it tonight, but Robertson wasn't even looking at the ball and blocked Salem off it. That should be a free kick to Salem.