POSTGAME: Rd 11 vs Western Bulldogs

[Adam The God 30,249]

11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hes a little [censored].

Lost all respect when he staged a dive and smiled when he got the free kick. Should have gotten a fine from the AFL.

Glad we didn't recruit the little Fl og

He does seem like a muppet, but I wouldn't mind he and Kozzie buzzing about at the feet of our talls. We need another x factor small pressure forward IMO.

10 hours ago, binman said:

Describes his whole career

Agreed. At least he used his body a bit more in this game, but we definitely missed a trick with the KPF in that draft.

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And back page, today’s The Age...

 

[layzie 33,796]

3 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Front page, today’s The Age...

 

Great Mark, point proven. 

[Farmer 883]

12 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I actually have to agree, not with the Razor Ray bit but the umpiring overall.

Unlike last week, I didn't think they were continually making mistakes.

There was a deliberate I didn't like, but generally I didn't notice them that much and that is always a good thing.

 

12 hours ago, Brownie said:

He's just a big tart

One bad mistake. The goal to English just before half time, only occurred  because, first, Petty was blocked, and then Gawn was . Quite obviously really!

[Adam The God 30,249]

11 hours ago, rpfc said:

Can I just say that Harmes ‘played on’ Libba and was great getting him out of the slot at stoppages but that was not a hard tag. 

He had 23 touches. You can’t carry a tagger these days. 

Harmes was fantastic and showed why he came back into the side quickly.

That was the prototype James Harmes negating game. He stops his opponent getting it at the source and then joins in on offence with gut run. It's not strictly a hard tag, but I'd argue it's still a tag. 

I reckon he's one of the best in the business at tagging and then kicking goals on his opponent.

His return to form is a very exciting prospect with Viney still to come back.

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

I thought his first half was average but his second was very good. 

Aside from Oliver who is always starring  Anb and Harmes were the best performers. And great work from Spargo.

Oh yea and the backline was back to its best.

Sam W was not great but full credit for those two important  goals whrn it would have bern difficult to keep himself motivated. Kept his place with those I think. And Fritta pulled himself out of his slump.

So impressed we have fixed our slow starts.

 

Spargo's foot passing was often elite, hitting targets well and creating plays. His improvements have been considerable.

Harmes' game was terrific - he screened well again, using his body well in contacts, marking contests and on-ground pick-ups.

Sam - handy two goals but well short of convinced about his contributions ... one handball for an entire half of footy ...

Fritta - great performance and do you recall that he missed 3 shots that normally, he would have sunk. It would have made the winning margin quite embarassing for the Doggies, plus two just missed by Kozzie ...

All good, though. A great performance re-directing our game skills and readiness for the finals.

 

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Bevo on Melbourne 

• Even though we had 7 or 8 more inside 50’s they were by far the better team
• Melbourne constantly put themselves in good positions
• We were expecting at some point to get a run on, we have been able to out-work sides but, credit to Melbourne, tonight they had most of the bases covered
• It was only a 28 point loss but it felt more than that.
• One of the challenges playing Melbourne as we transition forward we couldn’t win enough of the contests forward. They out numbered us too well

[Mr Steve 3,820]

5 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

And back page, today’s The Age...

 

The one thing I hate about Friday night Saturday Night games. I live in Country Victoria and there is nothing in the papers. 

[DeeSpencer 25,695]

Not to be too negative but I reckon we’re still making far too many silly mistakes.

Gawn played on inadvertently twice due to stepping off the mark at half forward. Both led to easy turnovers. He filled Petracca’s quota this week. The umps are red hot on it and players have to learn.

And we need to nail the unselfish forward play. No more Tom McDonald stiff arms. No more Max Gawn snaps in traffic. Feed the ball back to our mids and reset the attack.

And every slow long down the line kick that doesn’t reach a tall target should be treated with disgust. May went long to ANB with 2 minutes left in the first half when Gawn was on the boundary. Several other times kicks fell away from Tom, Weid and Jacko. It’s a core part of our game plan and we can’t get it wrong, especially if we’re playing such a tall forward line.

Our forwards also have to be aware of the deliberate rule and know their job is to help the backs. Melksham sat and watched a ball roll out that he could’ve touched. Get over and get it.

Petracca, Oliver and others turned the ball over in the corridor in the last quarter far too many times. It wasn’t helping the plan to just kill the clock. If we can ice games we can rest our best players so they don’t miss weeks.

And JJ, love your effort, but you aren’t kicking centre square goals from 60 brother. The clearance was beautiful, back yourself to find a hit up. Or go 15 out so it isn’t rushed.

The guys were great last night, but there’s still a lot of sloppy stuff that can be fixed pretty easily. Small things that can make a big difference if we get them right.

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

10 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Front page, today’s The Age...

 

You don’t fly for marks like that when you don’t have confidence in yourself or your teammates covering for you (at least not in the defensive 50).

Good to see Petty getting some continuity in his game and starting to gel with the back-line.

[Deefensive Language 124]

3 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

Bevo on Melbourne 

• Even though we had 7 or 8 more inside 50’s they were by far the better team
• Melbourne constantly put themselves in good positions
• We were expecting at some point to get a run on, we have been able to out-work sides but, credit to Melbourne, tonight they had most of the bases covered
• It was only a 28 point loss but it felt more than that.
• One of the challenges playing Melbourne as we transition forward we couldn’t win enough of the contests forward. They out numbered us too well

See bolded quote - you cover the bases and prevent momentum bursts and you win finals.

It's going to be great for the boys to review all of those moments in detail when we stopped their run. Then replicate!

[Adam The God 30,249]

6 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

Only concern for me is we had 15 scoring shots in the first half and only 7 in the second even though we were well on top. 

We do this though. The other team usually comes at us in second halves. The modern game is about ebbs and flows of momentum and we have this incredible ability to take the game down into a scrap and an end to end scoreless battle. By this stage, we have the lead, so it's about maintaining it and where possible, hitting them going the other way.

This doesn't bother me at all. And we have more gears to go to.

3 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

I just hope we can stay fit and healthy. If we’re picking 19-20 of our best 22 in September we’re going to be hard to stop.

This is what it comes down to. Stay healthy and I think we can play in a Grand Final. Lose a few here and there and we might struggle. See Richmond 2017 and their lack of injuries all year.

[DeeSpencer 25,695]

7 minutes ago, A F said:

That was the prototype James Harmes negating game. He stops his opponent getting it at the source and then joins in on offence with gut run. It's not strictly a hard tag, but I'd argue it's still a tag. 

I reckon he's one of the best in the business at tagging and then kicking goals on his opponent.

His return to form is a very exciting prospect with Viney still to come back.

He looked underdone against the Swans. And in the VFL the week before too for those who saw it. 

I reckon the job on Walsh was excellent and sharpened him right up and last night was about the peak of that. Maximum votes in the best and fairest for that game. 

[58er 6,435]

13 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Still haven't beaten anyone above us on the ladder...

Yes we have they were above us when we played them tonight !!!

[durango 2,007]

We have reach the half way mark of the current season and for the first time in a long time the football club has not played any of the 3 recruits Bowey Laurie and Rosman who will benefit from getting a grounding in the VFL.

[58er 6,435]

4 minutes ago, A F said:

We do this though. The other team usually comes at us in second halves. The modern game is about ebbs and flows of momentum and we have this incredible ability to take the game down into a scrap and an end to end scoreless battle. By this stage, we have the lead, so it's about maintaining it and where possible, hitting them going the other way.

This doesn't bother me at all. And we have more gears to go to.

This is what it comes down to. Stay healthy and I think we can play in a Grand Final. Lose a few here and there and we might struggle. See Richmond 2017 and their lack of injuries all year.

The 15/11 scoring shots in first half is balanced out with 7/8 after half time.

Not really an issue at this stage 

 

[layzie 33,796]

Nibbler on Fox Footy countdown or whatever that show is called.

[Dr.D 1,771]

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not to be too negative but I reckon we’re still making far too many silly mistakes.

Gawn played on inadvertently twice due to stepping off the mark at half forward. Both led to easy turnovers. He filled Petracca’s quota this week. The umps are red hot on it and players have to learn.

And we need to nail the unselfish forward play. No more Tom McDonald stiff arms. No more Max Gawn snaps in traffic. Feed the ball back to our mids and reset the attack.

And every slow long down the line kick that doesn’t reach a tall target should be treated with disgust. May went long to ANB with 2 minutes left in the first half when Gawn was on the boundary. Several other times kicks fell away from Tom, Weid and Jacko. It’s a core part of our game plan and we can’t get it wrong, especially if we’re playing such a tall forward line.

Our forwards also have to be aware of the deliberate rule and know their job is to help the backs. Melksham sat and watched a ball roll out that he could’ve touched. Get over and get it.

Petracca, Oliver and others turned the ball over in the corridor in the last quarter far too many times. It wasn’t helping the plan to just kill the clock. If we can ice games we can rest our best players so they don’t miss weeks.

And JJ, love your effort, but you aren’t kicking centre square goals from 60 brother. The clearance was beautiful, back yourself to find a hit up. Or go 15 out so it isn’t rushed.

The guys were great last night, but there’s still a lot of sloppy stuff that can be fixed pretty easily. Small things that can make a big difference if we get them right.

agree with all of your points. There's a lot to work on. Fritsch needs to work on his drop punt goal kicking too. He can't snap everything. 

[dees189227 12,392]

23 minutes ago, A F said:

Hes a little [censored].

Lost all respect when he staged a dive and smiled when he got the free kick. Should have gotten a fine from the AFL.

Glad we didn't recruit the little Fl og

He does seem like a muppet, but I wouldn't mind he and Kozzie buzzing about at the feet of our talls. We need another x factor small pressure forward IMO.

Who are you talking about?

[layzie 33,796]

1 minute ago, dees189227 said:

Who are you talking about?

Think it was Weightman from memory. 

[58er 6,435]

29 minutes ago, A F said:

He does seem like a muppet, but I wouldn't mind he and Kozzie buzzing about at the feet of our talls. We need another x factor small pressure forward IMO.

Agreed. At least he used his body a bit more in this game, but we definitely missed a trick with the KPF in that draft.

You can't have everyone AF !!!

[Adam The God 30,249]

47 minutes ago, JTR said:

They certainly had plenty of ball, but they key difference to their previous games is that they only had it where we wanted them to have it.

We controlled them beautifully and completely took the the middle of the ground away forcing them wide or into chips around the back half as they tried to find a way through.

Macrae had 36 touches and its probably one of the most ineffectual and least damaging 35+ games I've seen from him.

Yep, as Richo said during the game, we get such tremendous pressure on the ball carrier post clearance that even when we lose clearance, we almost immediately get the game on our terms or at least neutralise it.

[Watson11 2,240]

The dogs are dangerous if their mids get on top and can cut teams up, but if they only halve clearances they are struggling against most decent teams.  They have a lot of selfish players running forward of the ball who look a million dollars when it comes off, but with pressure and turnovers leave a mediocre defence totally exposed (hence our highest score from turnovers this year).  

Bailey Smith is an overrated player imo. His was the least effectual 27 disposal game you will see, along with Macrae’s ineffectual high disposal effort. Bonts 30 possessions was ok but he got exposed several times and cost them goals. Treloar would not have impacted last night as he is another forward runner.

Full credit to the coaches for the plan we had to stop Libba, cover the easy front runners to ensure they were not dangerous (Jordan to Smith), and then back Clarry and Trac to beat Bont and Macrae which they did. 

The Dogs are up against the Dockers away, Cats away, Eagles away over the next 3 weeks and have us again, Port, and Sydney in the mix.  Will be interesting to see how they respond, or whether the other clubs go to town on how we stopped them.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I would love to have a helicopter view of the game.

So many times the dogs struggled to move the ball from their defence.

They would transition to the other side only to be stuck and hesitant again.

Our blokes are super fit and must be covering a lot of ground to keep blocking teams like that.

You just dont get the perspective on tv.

Secretly, I have been hoping one of Demonlands own, would take some photo's or video's when they are perched high in the stands and upload them as a public service to us all.

[binman 42,939]

3 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

Aside from Demonland and the afl website, on a Saturday morning, where do people like to get their post game info?

What radio stations/programmes?

What websites? 

The lid is off...

 

My name is binman.

And I am a dees media content addict.

But that is not the problem.

The problem is I can't get enough dees media content.

A great thing about playing Friday night games is allmosy post game media up till about 1pm sat is about that game.

From last nights game  if you have kayo i'd recommend first crack. The first half of last night's episode was all about the dees. Great stuff. Love the video to explain stuff. And I have to I really like montages analysis. Doesdy hurt he has been pumping up the dees and our game plan for weeks.

On radio  I don't like sen as a rule. And never listened to it all ladt year. But crunch time 12-1 or so on sat is good,. Del Santo and maher leve me cold. And I'm ambivalent about wheatley, but he knows his stuff and is well prepared. But the ace in the pack  leppa, who is just  fantastic. Smart, explains things well and discusses systems and tactics in a way that is easy to get.

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by binman