COVID & AFL 2021

[Superunknown 4,210]

On 6/12/2021 at 3:53 PM, demonstone said:

I'm not willing to discus this any further.

That's a shame, it's going to be a marathon.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,757]

2 hours ago, Jaded said:

7000 regional members allowed to the game on Friday. Lucky Geelong. Once again KOTD. 

Lucky buggers.

Sutton refused to commit to MCG and Marvel games next weekend but Metro has followed regional in pretty much every setting.

I think there is a chance we could get 20-25% to the Dons V Dees games next weekend. The bad news is that barely any MFC member would be able to attend and probably 2,500 AFL members tickets to fight and scrap over

I think there is a good chance  we could get 20-25% to our GWS home game the following weekend which would pretty much cater for everyone who would like to go that day.

[titan_uranus 24,970]

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

In the paper (Sun) today it said the Cats stand to lose up to $900k if the game on Friday is played in front of no crowd.

$500,000-$900,000 according to The Age: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/7000-fans-from-geelong-region-allowed-to-attend-cats-v-bulldogs-20210616-p581e3.html

Interestingly Chris Scott also says the club wasn't consulted with about moving the game, and then the article goes on to say the club wasn't actually given the option to move the game interstate.

Bear in mind that there is also no evidence or suggestion that we were given the option to keep Queen's Birthday at the MCG: I wonder whether in both instances the AFL has simply dictated a result.

[Mickey 4,647]

Not directly AFL related but the VFL resumes this weekend and, in classic VFL fashion, Casey have the bye...

[Jaded No More 68,862]

2 hours ago, Mickey said:

Not directly AFL related but the VFL resumes this weekend and, in classic VFL fashion, Casey have the bye...

The VFL is the only organization in Victoria more poorly run than the actual government of Victoria 

[dl4e 5,851]

36 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The VFL is the only organization in Victoria more poorly run than the actual government of Victoria 

I wouldn't denigrate the VFL to that extent.

[Demonland 71,300]

 

[loges 6,767]

14 hours ago, Mickey said:

Not directly AFL related but the VFL resumes this weekend and, in classic VFL fashion, Casey have the bye...

Goodwin stated that there will be a full match simulation on Saturday so most Casey players would probably get some practice.

[Jaded No More 68,862]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

To be fair there would be very few Dogs fans who live around that area. The 200 out of 7000 fans, is about the same ratio of Dogs fans who would have made it to that game had it been full capacity. It is very difficult to get tickets to games in Geelong, as the capacity of the stadium is about the same as Geelong's membership numbers. 

I wonder if the Dogs cheer squad would be allowed to attend, given they said you can only attend if you live in the region.

Another absolutely idiotic rule to be honest. Fair enough if you have to be a member so you can be contact traced, but why can I go a religious gathering with 300 people in Geelong from Melbourne, but not an outdoor football match?

These rules make absolutely no sense. About as idiotic as Sutton saying it's not that difficult to postpone a wedding, so hence the caps on numbers. Clearly never planned a wedding! 

[Demonland 71,300]

 

[ManDee 7,124]

An interesting fact. No Australians have died from Covid19 this year, two have died from Astra Zeneca.

[titan_uranus 24,970]

18 minutes ago, ManDee said:

An interesting fact. No Australians have died from Covid19 this year, two have died from Astra Zeneca.

A few other facts:

1. 1.9M people globally have died from COVID in 2021 (more than in all of 2020)
2. Australia's borders are closed
3. Each of Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Melbourne and the entire state of Victoria have seen at least one lockdown in 2021.

[ManDee 7,124]

15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

A few other facts:

1. 1.9M people globally have died from COVID in 2021 (more than in all of 2020)
2. Australia's borders are closed
3. Each of Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Melbourne and the entire state of Victoria have seen at least one lockdown in 2021.

1.I live in Australia 

2. Many borders are closed.

3. The UK has one of the highest immunisation rates in the world and are extending their lockdown.

So your point is?

Edit. I am pro vaccine, I  see no point in Astra Zeneca when alternatives are better.

 

Edited June 17, 2021 by ManDee

[daisycutter 29,600]

56 minutes ago, ManDee said:

An interesting fact. No Australians have died from Covid19 this year, two have died from Astra Zeneca.

how many have caught covid this year?

how many have had an az jab?

context please

[ManDee 7,124]

17 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

how many have caught covid this year?

how many have had an az jab?

context please

Daisy, there are better alternatives than Astra Zeneca. Moderna and Pfizer are not killing people and provide greater protection 94.1 & 95% respectively. We should donate all our Astra Zeneca to Covax and use the mRna's exclusively. Everyone will be getting them in the future anyway considering we have 50 million doses ordered or supplied already for this year plus another 15 million Moderna gen2 ordered for first quarter next year.

 

Edit. Context is important. If we were living in Brazil or India I would be advocating for Astra Zeneca. I live in regional Australia, no locally acquired cases ever. I will wait for mRna. If we have some local cases watch me jump ship.

Edited June 17, 2021 by ManDee

[Superunknown 4,210]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

An interesting fact. No Australians have died from Covid19 this year, two have died from Astra Zeneca.

Of course, it is probably not sensible to test the counterfactual, is it?
Sweden didn't go so well....

[Superunknown 4,210]

26 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Daisy, there are better alternatives than Astra Zeneca. Moderna and Pfizer are not killing people and provide greater protection 94.1 & 95% respectively. We should donate all our Astra Zeneca to Covax and use the mRna's exclusively. Everyone will be getting them in the future anyway considering we have 50 million doses ordered or supplied already for this year plus another 15 million Moderna gen2 ordered for first quarter next year.

Novavax

The BCG TB vaccination shows promise and it's a 100 year old vaccination:

Link

I think I read an Australian research group had tested it in rodents and were after funding for human trials. EDIT: The Brace trial already underway - link. Fancy that, a 100 year TB vaccine....cheap to make anywhere and no super cold chain needed.

There are reports now that the mRNA vaccines are causing heart inflammation in younger males. Link. [source CDC via VAERS surveillance]

Are you sure people who've already been vaccinated with what are effective vaccines are going to go get another, given the apparent issues (albeit at very low rates).

Edited June 17, 2021 by Superunknown

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Are you sure people who've already been vaccinated with what are effective vaccines are going to go get another, given the apparent issues (albeit at very low rates).

I had my first AZ shot four days ago. I’m under 60yo so I have to admit I’m super apprehensive about getting the second dose. Meanwhile my sons are on “blood-clot-watch.” It’s like they expect me to keel over at any given moment. ?

[binman 42,619]

Based on current Aust data, your chance of death here from the AZ vax is 1 in 1.9M.

For context, Australian Geographic puts your odds of being struck by lightning at 1 in 1.6M.

You are more likely to be struck by lightning than to die of the AZ vax.

Don’t fear vaccination.

[ManDee 7,124]

21 minutes ago, binman said:

Based on current Aust data, your chance of death here from the AZ vax is 1 in 1.9M.

For context, Australian Geographic puts your odds of being struck by lightning at 1 in 1.6M.

You are more likely to be struck by lightning than to die of the AZ vax.

Don’t fear vaccination.

I don't fear vaccination, but I choose the better vaccine.

 

Edit. Current data also shows you are more likely to die from Astra Zeneca than Covid 19. That is a tongue in cheek dig at statistics.

Edited June 18, 2021 by ManDee

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,337]

Had my first AZ shot a few weeks ago. The following day every bone in my body ached and I was super lethargic ( I think this is just my immune system kicking in against the vaccine so a good thing? ). Couldn't get off the sofa the entire day. The next day I was back to normal and at the G for the Carlton game. I have no issues about getting the second jab. 

Get the jab but not the day before the Dees play. 

[Jara 1,153]

20 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I had my first AZ shot four days ago. I’m under 60yo so I have to admit I’m super apprehensive about getting the second dose. Meanwhile my sons are on “blood-clot-watch.” It’s like they expect me to keel over at any given moment. ?

Hey Walking - no need to be apprehensive. Every report I've seen says if there is any danger (and it's a minuscule risk, nothing compared to the risk of actually getting covid) it will show up after your first jab. I heard Professor Sharon Leuwin say this morning nobody has died from the second shot. I had my first AZ a couple of months ago, and I was thrilled. Still am, really. I just wish everybody would get vaccinated so we can get out of this. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,687]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

1.I live in Australia 

2. Many borders are closed.

3. The UK has one of the highest immunisation rates in the world and are extending their lockdown.

So your point is?

Edit. I am pro vaccine, I  see no point in Astra Zeneca when alternatives are better.

 

Are you sure the alternatives are better? Have you seen this story about the possibility that the Pfizer vaccine might (and I stress might) be the cause of some heart inflammation in some people? Also, are you aware that no-one knows the long term effects of mRNA vaccines because we've never had any before?

Have you also seen the story about people who don't die from Covid but have ongoing health problems from having caught the disease? 

 

[ManDee 7,124]

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Are you sure the alternatives are better? Have you seen this story about the possibility that the Pfizer vaccine might (and I stress might) be the cause of some heart inflammation in some people? Also, are you aware that no-one knows the long term effects of mRNA vaccines because we've never had any before?

Have you also seen the story about people who don't die from Covid but have ongoing health problems from having caught the disease? 

 

All good points LDVC. I suppose my point is that the vaccine I have should be my choice not the Government's. And I do want to have a vaccination. 

[BDA 22,728]

39 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Novavax

The BCG TB vaccination shows promise and it's a 100 year old vaccination:

Link

I think I read an Australian research group had tested it in rodents and were after funding for human trials. EDIT: The Brace trial already underway - link. Fancy that, a 100 year TB vaccine....cheap to make anywhere and no super cold chain needed.

There are reports now that the mRNA vaccines are causing heart inflammation in younger males. Link. [source CDC via VAERS surveillance]

Are you sure people who've already been vaccinated with what are effective vaccines are going to go get another, given the apparent issues (albeit at very low rates).

Have you been following what Steve Kirsch in the US has been doing. He's collecting data on mRNA adverse events. I'm trying to figure whether this is just noise or has substance. I like to know if anyone has challenged or refuted what he has said. He has also done a podcast recently with Robert Malone the inventor of mRNA technology. You can google it. From what i can tell the events are more prevalent in children and young adults as opposed to middle aged or older people

https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/

Is Australia keeping an covid vaccine adverse event register/database ? I'd like to keep an eye on.

Based on what i have read out of the US (mRNA) and UK (Astra) i'm leaning towards the Astra vaccine. The under-60 ban doesn't suit me at all.

btw big pharma doesn't want anyone using re-purposed drugs (off patent) because that means they won't make any money. It's the same reason, ivermectin. fluvoxamine and hydroxychloroquine are demonised.