46 minutes ago, Jaded said:

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They need to employ someone like Jerone. Their contact tracing has lost the plot, they can't keep up with close contacts let alone second and third tiers, which is probably why everyday so many people are found sick in the community. We have mastered the art of isolating rings and  rings of contacts. Of the 14 cases today only 3 (maybe 4 pending interviews) were out in the community. 2 ar

Your previous post re: restrictions: there are currently LGA and 10km restrictions. I make no comment on the appropriateness of 10k v 5k, merely make the observation.

Lost the plot is quite a contentious assertion and implies quite a number of things - perhaps it might be more accurate to say they can't keep up with the volume? Which of course is a function of people moving around, which CT can't control. It's worth remembering these are actual people doing this - I know some of them.

I am in regional NSW in the northern border bubble and would prefer a ring of steel approach and more stringent lockdown, 4 weeks ago.

So as to avoid any perception this isn't about footy: I now can't get to theGold Coast Dees game (yes I unpacked my miniature Stradivarius).

Disclosure: no political commentary.

Not picking a fight, just highlighting some operational parameters.

22 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

7 weeks or thereabouts to GF.

No way Vic goes 7 weeks without another breakout..

Big vax deliveries start at the earliest during the Finals series so they won't save us.

 

1 mil a week of Pfizer arriving now.

Sydney mass vax just opened for more Pfizer - brother in law confirmed booked for next week after waiting 4 weeks.

Linking to footy - this means we should be able to go to the footy now.

27 minutes ago, Jara said:

I suppose I'm being parochial, but really don't like the idea of Victoria giving extra vaccines to Sydney, just because they couldn't bring themselves to implement a proper lockdown.

I know they're on a knife's edge, but so are we, and I suspect our knife is sharper: our State has suffered much more than the others. From what I've observed, so many people, businesses etc can't take much more (not speaking for myself - I can work from home, I'm fully vaccinated and I live in a lovely environment, but lots of others aren't so lucky)

It was reported today there is plenty of Astrazeneca in NSW

7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Use the pre finals bye to move all finalists to WA and play them there.

If another State is"clean" you can move a game there from WA if economics dictate.

The problem with Vic is that some if not all finals could easily be no crowds. I suppose you could then just pause and do 10 days quarantine in Tas or WA.

I'm beyond caring as my next overseas trip is fast disappearing into 2023

I am the same DJ I cannot change anything so whatever happens I really don't care. Just noticed this time time 2 years ago I was flying off to Bangkok. A repeat of that is not going to happen any time soon if ever for me. Right now I would very happy to just watch  the seconds play finals live. 

Just now, BDA said:

It was reported today there is plenty of Astrazeneca in NSW

Yep, I presume it's Pfizer they're after. (Dunno why - I had AZ and it was lovely - gave me the best nights sleep I've had in ages)

5 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Your previous post re: restrictions: there are currently LGA and 10km restrictions. I make no comment on the appropriateness of 10k v 5k, merely make the observation.

Lost the plot is quite a contentious assertion and implies quite a number of things - perhaps it might be more accurate to say they can't keep up with the volume? Which of course is a function of people moving around, which CT can't control. It's worth remembering these are actual people doing this - I know some of them.

I am in regional NSW in the northern border bubble and would prefer a ring of steel approach and more stringent lockdown, 4 weeks ago.

So as to avoid any perception this isn't about footy: I now can't get to theGold Coast Dees game (yes I unpacked my miniature Stradivarius).

Disclosure: no political commentary.

Not picking a fight, just highlighting some operational parameters.

Everything helps. 5km versus 10km is a big different in radius. It means seeding from one LGA to another can stop. 

Also this idea of only hard locking down some LGAs and not others is not sustainable. We tired it during our second wave and it did SFA. Either everyone does it (I am not talking regional vs metro because that is different), or nobody does it.

We made so many mistakes, and NSW literally sat and laughed at us. Less than two weeks ago Gladys literally sniggered when asked why she isn't employing Victorian tactics. She said we were not successful in supressing Delta, which is in fact 100% incorrect. We had just done it 4 weeks prior. 

Perhaps they have not lost the plot, but they have lost control. I know GPs in NSW who have people coming into their offices saying their household contacts are tier 1 but nobody has told them they also had to isolate, and oh their throat is a bit sore and their nose is runny. The mind absolutely boggles.

And this is definitely not a political commentary. I am not a labour supporter, I never have been. I think all our leaders in this country have been really poor. It just shows you how underprepared we are for any type of emergency. We've lived a protected and charmed existence in this country for decades, and we are ill prepared to  deal with any real problems at all levels of government. God help us if we are ever in an actual war. 

1 minute ago, Jara said:

Yep, I presume it's Pfizer they're after. (Dunno why - I had AZ and it was lovely - gave me the best nights sleep I've had in ages)

They want Pfizer because like everyone else in the country they want to vaccinate the under 40s, who are the most active in the community and bring about the most geographical spread. 

Well guess what, I've been in 6 months of lockdown in Victoria and I deserve my share of the Pfizer as much as anyone in NSW, SA, Tassie or QLD. 

They have just opened up Pfizer eligibility to pregnant women. Finally! My friend is 37 weeks pregnant, very high risk pregnancy and has been in and out of hospital for months. They refused to give her Pfizer until today. If she gets to miss out, then so does Bob in NSW who wants to go to Prada tomorrow. 

14 minutes ago, Jara said:

Yep, I presume it's Pfizer they're after. (Dunno why - I had AZ and it was lovely - gave me the best nights sleep I've had in ages)

Me to Jara went to sleep on the daybed at 3 00pm woke up at 630 am next day feeling great

3 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Hope they both have a few sons for future teams too.

Or girls

19 minutes ago, Jaded said:

They want Pfizer because like everyone else in the country they want to vaccinate the under 40s, who are the most active in the community and bring about the most geographical spread. 

Well guess what, I've been in 6 months of lockdown in Victoria and I deserve my share of the Pfizer as much as anyone in NSW, SA, Tassie or QLD. 

They have just opened up Pfizer eligibility to pregnant women. Finally! My friend is 37 weeks pregnant, very high risk pregnancy and has been in and out of hospital for months. They refused to give her Pfizer until today. If she gets to miss out, then so does Bob in NSW who wants to go to Prada tomorrow. 

 

NSW: closing the stable doors after the horses have bolted at it’s finest. 

27 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

 

I picked a hell of a day to quit sniffing glue…

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Everything helps. 5km versus 10km is a big different in radius. It means seeding from one LGA to another can stop. 

Also this idea of only hard locking down some LGAs and not others is not sustainable. We tired it during our second wave and it did SFA. Either everyone does it (I am not talking regional vs metro because that is different), or nobody does it.

We made so many mistakes, and NSW literally sat and laughed at us. Less than two weeks ago Gladys literally sniggered when asked why she isn't employing Victorian tactics. She said we were not successful in supressing Delta, which is in fact 100% incorrect. We had just done it 4 weeks prior. 

Perhaps they have not lost the plot, but they have lost control. I know GPs in NSW who have people coming into their offices saying their household contacts are tier 1 but nobody has told them they also had to isolate, and oh their throat is a bit sore and their nose is runny. The mind absolutely boggles.

And this is definitely not a political commentary. I am not a labour supporter, I never have been. I think all our leaders in this country have been really poor. It just shows you how underprepared we are for any type of emergency. We've lived a protected and charmed existence in this country for decades, and we are ill prepared to  deal with any real problems at all levels of government. God help us if we are ever in an actual war. 

Excellent post. The difference between a 5km radius and a 10km radius results in a total area which is 4 times the size. That allows a lot more opportunity to spread the virus. I hate being in lockdown and I detest the 5km rule - but I accept the logic of why both are imposed.

the obvious solution would be to sack the state and federal governments and put demonland in charge of combating coronavirus......guaranteed success  ? 

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

the obvious solution would be to sack the state and federal governments and put demonland in charge of combating coronavirus......guaranteed success  ? 

First order of business. 

Distribute vaccines in order of AFL ladder as of 23 July 2021.

Returning to footy, does anyone know what this article says? The photo has Hawthorn and Melbourne in it and so I'm wondering if it talks about us?

 

5 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Western Australia should immediately be ruled out as a grand final option.

McGowan has twice plunged Perth into lockdown and locked out fans on the morning of game day. 

How can the AFL take that risk? It would be an absolute embarrassment and a farce if that worst case scenario transpired.

Play it in QLD if they have to, or suck it up and cop a 40,000 crowd at the MCG as a show of goodwill to Victorians who have clearly done it the toughest since March 2020.

I think there's no doubt at all that if the MCG can hold 40,000 on Grand Final day, the Grand Final will be at the MCG.

The AFL will have a threshold figure in mind and I suspect it will be lower than 40,000.

4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Returning to footy, does anyone know what this article says? The photo has Hawthorn and Melbourne in it and so I'm wondering if it talks about us?

 

this the gist

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The AFL might be forced to recall at least three teams back to Melbourne next week if it cannot establish a pathway to flying teams in and out of Queensland for Round 20.

The AFL was able to pull off a complicated Round 19 schedule only by bringing Port Adelaide and Adelaide into Melbourne in the hours after their border closed on Tuesday.

But as it stands the league does not have a way to play three games between teams in Queensland and Victoria next week, including GWS-Port Adelaide, Hawthorn-Brisbane and Gold Coast-Melbourne.

GWS, Brisbane and Gold Coast are all in Queensland while the Power and Adelaide have joined nine of the 10 Victorian teams residing in Melbourne.

 

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I think there's no doubt at all that if the MCG can hold 40,000 on Grand Final day, the Grand Final will be at the MCG.

The AFL will have a threshold figure in mind and I suspect it will be lower than 40,000.

Whateley is leading the brigade that if the capacity isn't around 55K it shouldn't be at the G.

5 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Whateley is leading the brigade that if the capacity isn't around 55K it shouldn't be at the G.

Yeah well Whateley also thinks there should be a "play in" for the finals where the sides in 9th and 10th get a shot at finishing 7th and 8th.

In other words, sometimes he says some silly things.

If Gladys gets her hands on our vaccines they will be distributed in marginal seats no doubt. 

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

this the gist

 

I see.

Looks like they're not currently sure if they can get us into Queensland to play GC (assuming the NT is a write-off).

Alternatively they'll have to bring forward one of our West Coast, Adelaide or Geelong games. Given Adelaide is already in Victoria, we may find that game brought forward. But then it gets tough because we don't have neat match ups to move around to make that work.

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

I see.

Looks like they're not currently sure if they can get us into Queensland to play GC (assuming the NT is a write-off).

Alternatively they'll have to bring forward one of our West Coast, Adelaide or Geelong games. Given Adelaide is already in Victoria, we may find that game brought forward. But then it gets tough because we don't have neat match ups to move around to make that work.

Pert will be tipped over the edge  if the Adelaide game is brought forward to next week.

That’s our last home game (on around 15 Aug) for the year and a chance for a crowd if we come out of lock down next week.

No chance we’re having crowds next week in VIC, I wouldn’t think.

 

Edited July 23, 20213 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

3 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Pert will be tipped over the edge  if the Adelaide game is brought forward to next week.

That’s our last home game (on around 15 Aug) for the year and a chance for a crowd if we come out of lock down next week.

No chance we’re having crowds next week in VIC, I wouldn’t think.

Agree.

If it happens, will just round off what has been an unbelievably bad financial result from this year's fixture.

4 hours ago, Jara said:

Yep, I presume it's Pfizer they're after. (Dunno why - I had AZ and it was lovely - gave me the best nights sleep I've had in ages)

Felt like I was going to brea out in a fever and had this really discomforting feeling on my skin. Only lasted for about 1 hour and I would rather feel sick for a couple of hours than put up with all the [censored] of lockdowns and basic human rights being thrown out the window. Bring on that 2nd jab.