COVID & AFL 2021

[Jaded No More 68,976]

4 minutes ago, HBDee said:

It's unlikely the Vic clubs that have left today being Essendon, Hawthorn and Carlton will be allowed back into the state to play before next weekend. There may be a fixture shuffle I think.

This may mean we won't play Brisbane in the NT next Fri and may play another VIC based team we're supposed to play between now and the end of the year. 

Just a thought........

Why would they not be allowed into the state? If other states are Covid free there is really no issue with them returning. Besides they will be told to stay in a bubble and test. AFL clubs are really easy to control. It’s the community that’s the problem. 

[Demonstone 23,536]

23 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

previous name I had was Phuket Deemon, but changed it

Ah, but you didn't change it did you.  Both accounts are still active and you have recently posted under both usernames and got caught out doing so.  How many other aliases do you have?  

Speaking of such matters and trolls in general, did anyone else notice that Pickett2Jackson was oddly absent during Craig Hutchinson's weird and short-lived visit to this forum, only to suddenly reappear the instant that Craig vanished?

Could these four posters (and others) be the twisted work of the one sad individual?

 Strange days indeed.  Most peculiar, mama.

[HBDee 376]

8 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Why would they not be allowed into the state? If other states are Covid free there is really no issue with them returning. Besides they will be told to stay in a bubble and test. AFL clubs are really easy to control. It’s the community that’s the problem. 

Just a hunch. If they're out and COVID free, I don't think they'll risk them being exposed now they're out, like a mini-hub.

[Nairobi_Demon 335]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

A group of scientists were pushing for this capacity a while back...we would have been well down the track to having the  capability to manufacture if they had of been listened too.

Now it's going to be a good 12 months plus with all the p....around and if it's like energy policy it will never happen.

Science and politics don't seem to be good bedfellows these days unfortunately.

This still baffles me. Respected scientists were advocating for government investment in mRNA manufacturing capacity since June last year. Apparently it is not that expensive - maybe $100m to get going - and the technology is thought to have significant other benefits, including cancer treatment. What’s the downside of making this investment?  
 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only commitment to invest in mRNA that I’ve seen was the $50m the Vic Govt announced about two months ago. We’re likely to need COVID variant vaccines/boosters in the next few years, mRNA is the most adaptable technology, why aren’t we jumping on this?

Edit: this article dated just this past Monday indicates the government has just now invited proposals for establishing mRNA manufacturing capacity.  Surely this could have been done at least six months ago even not longer and surely three years to establish production is not sufficiently ambitious in the context and given others have argued it could be done in 12 months. 
 

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/government-makes-no-promises-as-it-looks-for-mrna-producers-20210524-p57uix.html

Edited May 26, 2021 by Nairobi_Demon

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,489]

2 hours ago, CYB said:

I dont think its incompetence - i think it may be related to whether it is lawful. 

Given the ring of steel that was once on the QLD / NSW border, and that I can be pulled over at any stage by the police and asked to produce my licence, I would have to disagree. 
 

 

[binman 44,788]

3 hours ago, DubDee said:

 

The risk of a clot from the AZ vaccine for any age is less than that when taking the contraceptive pill

Which is why i refuse to take the contraceptive pill

[Webber 10,650]

1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

Could you provide a citation for the above please?

Current evidence (worldwide) of clots with AZ vax is 4-6 clots per million doses. That would be < 150 clots if the entire Aust. pop vaccinated with AZ. Readily available info. 

[old dee 24,073]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

I understand that even if you are fully vaccinated you can catch and spread Covid19, you may not show symptoms or they may be less severe. So how does your 70yo friend in a non danger area cause a problem? Australia has approx 85 active cases in 25,000,000 people. How does your 70yo friend preferring a better (edit - and safer) drug upset you?

There is almost no reason not to have the Astra one. Add in you don't know you are in a safe area that is the whole point. 95% of people at the G last Sunday thought they were in a safe zone. 

[Webber 10,650]

8 minutes ago, Nairobi_Demon said:

This still baffles me. Respected scientists were advocating for government investment in mRNA manufacturing capacity since June last year. Apparently it is not that expensive - maybe $100m to get going - and the technology is thought to have significant other benefits, including cancer treatment. What’s the downside of making this investment?  
 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only commitment to invest in mRNA that I’ve seen was the $50m the Vic Govt announced about two months ago. We’re likely to need COVID variant vaccines/boosters in the next few years, mRNA is the most adaptable technology, why aren’t we jumping on this?

More than the next few years N_D I suspect. Like the flu, it’s not going away. 

[Brownie 6,081]

40 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

pffft yourself, 12 months ago we didn't even know if there would be a successful vaccine, let alone whether the mrna variant would be the better approach

12 months ago there was even scientists saying it could be 5 years away

no need to reinvent history

Yep, my bad, government warned months ago and a formal pre-budget submission tabled three months ago.

Not 12 months

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/09/frustrated-experts-say-australia-could-already-be-producing-mrna-covid-vaccines-if-it-had-acted-earlier

Anyways, this is skewing away from footy. Hope it all calms down.

[Nairobi_Demon 335]

41 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

pffft yourself, 12 months ago we didn't even know if there would be a successful vaccine, let alone whether the mrna variant would be the better approach

12 months ago there was even scientists saying it could be 5 years away

no need to reinvent history

True, but if I recall correctly the Phase I/II Pfizer/BioNTech results were published in August last year indicating that this was likely to be an effective technology.  That’s 10 months ago.  But for me it’s really about risk, what was the risk of dropping $100m on mRNA vs what was the potential upside?  Given the huge economic costs of the pandemic, 100m seems a small price to pay for a bet on a new technology. The benefits of which have now been clear for at least six months and probably more. 
 

 

[binman 44,788]

26 minutes ago, old dee said:

There is almost no reason not to have the Astra one. Add in you don't know you are in a safe area that is the whole point. 95% of people at the G last Sunday thought they were in a safe zone. 

There is a suggestion that 3 of the initial 5 cases were eligible to have had a vaccine but hadn't had one.

It would also appear one of them (the so called case 5 - a 60 year old fella) was the first link in the chain and then infected two households (not to mention being out and about in the community for a week while infectious).

One of the people this fella (case 5) infected in his household then infected five people at his workplace. 

If he had had a vaccine then there is very good chance he would not have got infected in the first place and therefore would not have passed it on to anyone else. And we would not be talking about lockdowns and missing the footy on Friday night.

Or thousands and thousands of people having to down tools and waste hours to get a cotton bud stuck up their nose. And of course all the other major disruptions to people's lives

And it beggars belief, if true, but it is being reported that one of the older infected person's doctor did a house call (coz they were sick). And the doctor was also unvaccinated. Jesus wept

But hey, as long at the 70 year old fella in his 'safe' suburb is ok then all good. 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by binman

[Smokey 4,391]

46 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Ah, but you didn't change it did you.  Both accounts are still active and you have recently posted under both usernames and got caught out doing so.  How many other aliases do you have?  

Speaking of such matters and trolls in general, did anyone else notice that Pickett2Jackson was oddly absent during Craig Hutchinson's weird and short-lived visit to this forum, only to suddenly reappear the instant that Craig vanished?

Could these four posters (and others) be the twisted work of the one sad individual?

 Strange days indeed.  Most peculiar, mama.

Having the time and desire to post under multiple accounts for the purposes of trolling is truly the hallmark of a very sad existence 

[binman 44,788]

4 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Having the time and desire to post under multiple accounts for the purposes of trolling is truly the hallmark of a very sad existence 

And if said person is actually a dees fans then that sad existence goes to a whole other level!

[Fritta and Turner 4,685]

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Govt may have to resort to that old tried n true solution... cash incentives. 

Which no doubt will come into effect 30 mins after I have the jab.

[Webber 10,650]

I’ve been straw-polling my patients on whether they’ve been vacced, and reactions. All but a handful who can but haven’t, cite apparent lack of urgent need due to small/nil community numbers. The worst reaction I’ve heard was a 30 year old S.O.G Copper, superfit obviously, who reckons he couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days with flu-like symptoms. My own reaction was perhaps the worst I’ve heard for over 50 year-old (weak as p**s probably) - had about 3-4 hours of fever aches 12 hours after, and a bit rubbish next 2 days. Not one person has regretted having it. Obviously! 

Edited May 26, 2021 by Webber

[Superunknown 4,246]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

pffft yourself, 12 months ago we didn't even know if there would be a successful vaccine, let alone whether the mrna variant would be the better approach

12 months ago there was even scientists saying it could be 5 years away

no need to reinvent history

He's not reinventing history - that is all a statement of fact.

And here we are, mRNA mfg will now happen onshore.

[Diamond_Jim 12,750]

Herald Sun

Marvel Stadium could become the next Covid-19 hotspot as the State Government investigates reports an infected fan attended the clash between Essendon and North Melbourne.

[daisycutter 29,989]

16 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

He's not reinventing history - that is all a statement of fact.

And here we are, mRNA mfg will now happen onshore.

i think you miss the issue of the discussion

it was what was the status of the knowledge of covid vaccines 12 months ago......i.e. indeterminate

i fully support the onshore manufacture of mrna with current knowledge

[old dee 24,073]

46 minutes ago, binman said:

There is a suggestion that 3 of the initial 5 cases were eligible to have had a vaccine but hadn't had one.

It would also appear one of them (the so called case 5 - a 60 year old fella) was the first link in the chain and then infected two households (not to mention being out and about in the community for a week while infectious).

One of the people this fella (case 5) infected in his household then infected five people at his workplace. 

If he had had a vaccine then there is very good chance he would not have got infected in the first place and therefore would not have passed it on to anyone else. And we would not be talking about lockdowns and missing the footy on Friday night.

Or thousands and thousands of people having to down tools and waste hours to get a cotton bud stuck up their nose. And of course all the other major disruptions to people's lives

And it beggars belief, if true, but it is being reported that one of the older infected person's doctor did a house call (coz they were sick). And the doctor was also unvaccinated. Jesus wept

But hey, as long at the 70 year old fella in his 'safe' suburb is ok then all good. 

 

Agree 100% binman. Not that it matters I guess but the friend is a female. Also added wait for it. Kills more men than women! I left the room at this point. As I said earlier it beggars belief. 

[old dee 24,073]

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Govt may have to resort to that old tried n true solution... cash incentives. 

Fines if don’t have it would work better.

[Wizard of Koz 1,192]

1 hour ago, demonstone said:

Ah, but you didn't change it did you.  Both accounts are still active and you have recently posted under both usernames and got caught out doing so.  How many other aliases do you have?  

Speaking of such matters and trolls in general, did anyone else notice that Pickett2Jackson was oddly absent during Craig Hutchinson's weird and short-lived visit to this forum, only to suddenly reappear the instant that Craig vanished?

Could these four posters (and others) be the twisted work of the one sad individual?

 Strange days indeed.  Most peculiar, mama.

Ha ha , yeah ok reading way too much into it mate. Nowhere near it. I have 2 devices and one obviously automatically goes back to old sign on. Seriously thats all it is. Craig Hutchison , I have got no idea what you are talking about with that one mate. Just about enough from me, its getting kinda weird.

[Diamond_Jim 12,750]

How about this for an idea

Here’s some news that may significantly alter life for tourists and the attractiveness of business hub Dubai – the United Arab Emirates said vaccinations against Covid-19 will be mandatory for people attending all “live events” from 6 June.

The policy applies to all sports, cultural, social, arts exhibition, activities and events, a spokeswoman for the ministry of health said late on Tuesday.

Attendees must also present a negative Covid-19 PCR test taken at least 48 hours before the event. The policy also appears to apply for weddings of up to 100 people.

From the Guardian UK live Blog

[Diamond_Jim 12,750]

SA just closed its border to all Melbournians.

A week late perhaps ?

[old dee 24,073]

21 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

SA just closed its border to all Melbournians.

A week late perhaps ?

Hardly a surprise DJ. I have a bad feeling about this out break. At best I think games will only go ahead this weekend without crowds. But who knows where we are headed. Netflix looks like getting a return not that I have stopped.