Norm Smith-What happened in 1965

[Sir Why You Little 37,016]

Younger Supporters have been asking about what happened. Why did we fall so low?

Did Norm leave a curse?

The Red Fox was our true legend…

[Chook 15,012]

It wasn't Norm's curse, it was the curse of what was done to Norm.

[Craig Hutchinson 126]

Incredible video !!!! Thank you for posting . Loved the Hassa Mann story told by Stan Alves . " Sooner fight than lie " . Interesting he thought the club was slipping . How right he was . Coach of the Century !

Not sure about curses but definitely believe in Karma . Dont walk under ladders . The longest sporting curse was the 87 year Red Sox ( not Redlegs ) Bambino curse when they moved on Babe Ruth . We moved Norm on . 

When we do the following the Karma will have changed . 1. Win 9 and break the 65 streak . 2. MFC player to win a Norm Smith medal and 3 . Win the premiership .

[Demonstone 22,471]

Curses are superstitious nonsense and the domain of the feeble minded.

[demons123452000 131]

i am a near 81 year old dee who lived through that era and I highly recommend that any  football person should read the book the RED FOX. A great insight into the man .

[Craig Hutchinson 126]

Some of the feeble minds who believed in curses . Caesar , Genghis Khan , Shakespeare .

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

3 hours ago, demonstone said:

Curses are superstitious nonsense and the domain of the feeble minded.

Thats the kind of attitude that has caused us to be stranded in the doldrums for the past six decades. We need more chicken sacrifices.

Edited May 10, 2021 by John Crow Batty

[Demonstone 22,471]

28 minutes ago, Craig Hutchinson said:

Some of the feeble minds who believed in curses . Caesar , Genghis Khan , Shakespeare .

You're not really helping your argument by citing people who lived hundreds of years ago and believed in all sorts of whacky nonsense that has since been debunked for the unadulterated tosh it always was.

You do know that Shakespeare wrote fiction, Craig?

[Flag 2021 143]

This history is interesting and can be interpreted in different ways but ultimately it is not relevant to 2021.

[bush demon 2,039]

The curse definitely cost us a flag when we were good enough ie 1987-1991 and perhaps 1998. Geelong and The Saints also missed flags they should have won. None as much as Collingwood though.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,206]

23 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Younger Supporters have been asking about what happened. Why did we fall so low?

Did Norm leave a curse?

The Red Fox was our true legend…

Thanks for linking to my YouTube account
I have a tonne of MFC videos/games that I plan on uploading at some stage when I finally get time - a lot have been uploaded to YouTube over the years but I think there's still quite a few that aren't up yet

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by Dr. Gonzo

[Sir Why You Little 37,016]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Thanks for linking to my YouTube account
I have a tonne of MFC videos/games that I plan on uploading at some stage when I finally get time - a lot have been uploaded to YouTube over the years but I think there's still quite a few that aren't up yet

 

Stumbled across it yesterday 

the Norm footage is full on. A man of Principles

[Dr. Gonzo 24,206]

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Stumbled across it yesterday 

the Norm footage is full on. A man of Principles

Yep and they spell it the same whether you went to a public school or a private school ?

[Wells 11 5,395]

10 hours ago, demons123452000 said:

i am a near 81 year old dee who lived through that era and I highly recommend that any  football person should read the book the RED FOX. A great insight into the man .

you must have some great stories. Glad you’re around. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,016]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yep and they spell it the same whether you went to a public school or a private school ?

Yes i had never seen that section before. 
that whole program of Tony Charlton’s Footy Show would be great to see in full, but I doubt it exists 

[Older demon 2,741]

When I read the book I was stunned at how it all developed and how MFC used to be the family club. All the stuff that Hawthorn started doing when they became a power. I still ask how did we get it so wrong. Of interest these days is if you were to ask Ronald Dale about his move to Carlton he has stated that in retrospect it was an error. I didn't like the role Jim Cardwell appeared to have played in all this, if what is said in the book is true

Maybe now after all this years we are on the verge of something big. Roos said it would take 5 year and we are finally getting there, maybe Yze is the talisman coming back from Hawthorn..

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,206]

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i had never seen that section before. 
that whole program of Tony Charlton’s Footy Show would be great to see in full, but I doubt it exists 

Yep I'd only ever seen the snippet on the 100 Years of Footy doco from 1996 from memory the video linked above has a longer segment but the entire show would be great viewing.

When I think of the amount of content consigned to the scrapheap over the years by the broadcasters and the league it makes me cry. If only the VFL had a Steve Sabol/Vince McMahon type in charge who knew the value of keeping ownership of and storing the video catalogue of the sport. Can you imagine the streaming service the AFL could have? Such a shame.

[Supermercado 2,797]

English football manager Barry Fry took a ceremonial pish in all four corners of Birmingham's pitch to try and reverse a supposed gypsy curse. Let's see the people in this thread who think curses are a real thing load up and have a go at the same sort of exorcism.

[tiers 2,829]

Two things caused our decline. The first was the so-called Norm Smith curse that destroyed the fabric of the club.

The second was much more influential and compounded the effect of the first. In the mid 60s the VFL implemented "zoning" whereby each club was gifted an exclusive recruiting zone in Victoria.  This destroyed the MFC's dominance in recruiting by being able to use the MCG and the connectedness of our club to attract talent.

Our zones delivered Robbie and Garry but not much else in terms of out and out champions. Clubs like the dorks and the lollie blues were, by chance, gifted unfettered access to productive zones that delivered an ongoing supply of great players eg dorks had Mornington Peninsula and Berwick that were fast growing residential areas that delivered Tuck, Matthews, Scott, Brereton, Langford, Mew, Ayres, Crimmins, Wallace, Dipierdomenico etc etc hat brought them success.

 

[Cracker Nackers 115]

Am I wrong to suggest that Dr. D. G. Duffy was Norm Smith's main adversary on the Board?

[Fanatique Demon 2,642]

14 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

We need more chicken sacrifices.

Yes. Put me down for a drumstick.

[Antioch 232]

22 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

Thats the kind of attitude that has caused us to be stranded in the doldrums for the past six decades. We need more chicken sacrifices.

Sacrifice Chook Fowler? No surely not.