Medical Sub

[John Crow Batty 8,793]

I would prefer if the subbed out player is made to sit out of the game for 12 days  irrespective of the injury. There has be a price to be paid for using the concussion sub rule for other purposes. 

[Demonland 70,358]

 

[Sydee 4,215]

3 hours ago, america de cali said:

I would prefer if the subbed out player is made to sit out of the game for 12 days  irrespective of the injury. There has be a price to be paid for using the concussion sub rule for other purposes. 

Yes until it’s Petracca subbed out of a prelim but fit and good to go for a GF 

 

[deanox 9,718]

3 hours ago, america de cali said:

I would prefer if the subbed out player is made to sit out of the game for 12 days  irrespective of the injury. There has be a price to be paid for using the concussion sub rule for other purposes. 

Yup 12 days and return to training should follow the concussion protocols of no contact for the first bit etc. To stop it being used on an out of form player who was going to be dropped anyway.

[John Crow Batty 8,793]

4 hours ago, Sydee said:

Yes until it’s Petracca subbed out of a prelim but fit and good to go for a GF 

 

Clubs won’t sub out a champion for a minor injury if it would for certain keep them out of next weeks big game. The champ will keep the interchange bench warm for the remainder of the game.

Edited March 19, 2021 by america de cali

[58er 6,010]

On 3/17/2021 at 6:38 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

No it puts loads on the 17 on the field 

the other 4 players are resting and recharging 

It puts a load  on ALL players over a game!!

You have been seduced by the inaccuracy of the text creating this rule.

Think about it !!

[Sir Why You Little 36,681]

9 hours ago, 58er said:

It puts a load  on ALL players over a game!!

You have been seduced by the inaccuracy of the text creating this rule.

Think about it !!

The Players on the bench are resting and recharging. They are not on the field at that time. 
there is a difference 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Sir Why You Little

[Demonland 70,358]

 

[roy11 3,697]

Still so odd how it can add a game to your statistics without getting on the field.

Must be a hollow feeling for Connor Downie, they even made him go in the middle of the circle too. 

With this rule in place can't see a way Jonesy doesn't get to his 300 at least, not sure he'd consider it hollow or not if a couple chalked up this way.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,655]

Surely it's time we changed the title of this thread to "Injury Sub" or, more realistically, "5 man interchange"

[Demonland 70,358]

The rules are already trying to be bent/broken by you guessed it Geelong. 

 

[Pates 9,625]

On 3/19/2021 at 7:02 AM, america de cali said:

I would prefer if the subbed out player is made to sit out of the game for 12 days  irrespective of the injury. There has be a price to be paid for using the concussion sub rule for other purposes. 

I would've thought this is the simplest way to combat any potential flaunting of the rule. The sub is ONLY there for injuries so if a player is taken off "injured" then they sit out the next 12 days. Means there will be no "oh he's got a bad cramp, let's take him off" situation, it also forces the coaches to really consider the ramifications of pulling someone.

[Pates 9,625]

22 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

That's laughable, much in the same way you don't get a premier league game against your name unless you play it, there's no way a sub should get a game against them unless activated. This league really is a farce at times.

[deanox 9,718]

This shouldn't be hard.

Either:

- 4 interchange plus a medical sub;

- Medical sub can be activated temporarily during concussion test, but be deactivated; and

- Medical sub can be activated permanently for any reason but player must not play again for 12 days and must follow the "return to training after concussion protocols" as well so there is an effect even if it is a player who would have been dropped and its a VFL bye anyway.

 

OR

 

- Return to 3+1, 2+2 or even go to 4+1 if they want and say that "the sub can be activated any time for any reason".

 

Either way no game should be credited unless the player gets on field.

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,655]

12 hours ago, deanox said:

This shouldn't be hard.

Either:

- 4 interchange plus a medical sub;

- Medical sub can be activated temporarily during concussion test, but be deactivated; and

- Medical sub can be activated permanently for any reason but player must not play again for 12 days and must follow the "return to training after concussion protocols" as well so there is an effect even if it is a player who would have been dropped and its a VFL bye anyway.

 

OR

 

- Return to 3+1, 2+2 or even go to 4+1 if they want and say that "the sub can be activated any time for any reason".

 

Either way no game should be credited unless the player gets on field.

 

Players were credited with a game in the old 19th and 20th man (non-interchange) days even if they didn't play. The same logic is being applied here.

Edited March 22, 2021 by La Dee-vina Comedia

[monoccular 17,340]

I haven’t followed all of round 1, but does anyone have info on how many injury subs were used, and if any of those subbed out appear to have had “miracle recoveries” in time for round 2?
If anyone subbed out plays this week the rule is a farce. 
Further than 12 days, if this is to be taken as a serious injury issue then the ruling should be a subbed out player is ineligible for the club’s next game.

[roy11 3,697]

23 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I haven’t followed all of round 1, but does anyone have info on how many injury subs were used, and if any of those subbed out appear to have had “miracle recoveries” in time for round 2?
If anyone subbed out plays this week the rule is a farce. 
Further than 12 days, if this is to be taken as a serious injury issue then the ruling should be a subbed out player is ineligible for the club’s next game.

So far these injuries not as bad as "feared"

Sam Menegola (Geelong) - AC Joint 

Jack Silvani (Carlton) - shoulder subluxation

Nick Vlastuin (Richmond) - Corked Knee

 

[DeeSpencer 24,812]

On 3/19/2021 at 4:16 PM, george_on_the_outer said:

Exactly.....and what would have happened if a genuine concussion had happened after Silvagni or Vlaustin had been subbed?  No replacement then....which was the whole point of a concussion sub. 

Hocking and Gil should be ashamed and it only took the first game to show how it would be scammed. 

But then Clarkson with his meagre list needed to find a way to get another player on the ground when they run out of legs in the final quarter.

That’s exactly what happened in the Adelaide game. 
 

Brown went off. Kelly then got concussed. And the sub that came on Hinge popped a shoulder then had to play through it.

Meant it was 4 v 3 fit players on the bench, rather than 4 v 2, probably kept the Crows in the game. So that’s the positives v the negatives 

[deanox 9,718]

On 3/23/2021 at 9:36 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Players were credited with a game in the old 19th and 20th man (non-interchange) days even if they didn't play. The same logic is being applied here.

I didn't know that, so happy to retract my statement. Personally I'd suggest consulting with the playing group, and potentially a representative group of TAC cup players and asking what they'd like RE crediting games or not, and go from there.

[In Harmes Way 7,714]

On 3/23/2021 at 9:36 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Players were credited with a game in the old 19th and 20th man (non-interchange) days even if they didn't play. The same logic is being applied here.

Given Kade Chandler played a game in 2019, we can't congratulate him on his AFL debut as a medical sub without actually hitting the field; but I'd guess that dubious distinction will come up shortly.

Edited March 25, 2021 by In Harmes Way

[old55 22,868]

On 3/19/2021 at 6:02 PM, america de cali said:

I would prefer if the subbed out player is made to sit out of the game for 12 days  irrespective of the injury. There has be a price to be paid for using the concussion sub rule for other purposes. 

Quoted for emphasis.  I 100% agree.  I am fine with the Concussion Sub and I'm fine with extending it to Injury Sub, but there has to be a consequence for using it.

[deanox 9,718]

I wish the AFL would say:

"All coaches at all clubs have 4 interchange players available to help them manager player fatigue and injuries. These 4 players are not selected on the field, they do not need to enter the field except at the discretion of the clubs. It is the responsibility of the clubs to use these resources in a way which manages player fatigue. If a club designs it's game plan using these 4 players, but does not build in reserve capacity or contingency in case of injury, then it is failing it's duty of care to the players selected."

[sue 9,020]

know we know:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/afl-mclachlan-happy-if-medical-subs-play-following-week/100028374

[darkhorse72 1,867]

9 minutes ago, sue said:

know we know:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-25/afl-mclachlan-happy-if-medical-subs-play-following-week/100028374

of coarse he is..

[Demonland 70,358]

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