On 02/12/2020 at 01:19, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thank you.  I much appreciate that info.  It is comforting that progress is happening.

I'm still a bit concerned on Pert's comment a month ago that the government is leading the working party.  Any idea why that is happening?

Luci, I would assume that because the land is govt owned and they are providing a certain level of finance, that they would lead the  project.  It should make the project cut through govt red tape so much easier.

Our club has stated that the phase 1 feasibility study was developed based on a set of criteria that we proposed for our project. We may not get everything our hearts desire, but as Phase 1 is complete, then the list of facilities to be provided has already been agreed to and approved.

In some ways I find it comforting that the Govt is leading the development as it means they are committed to the project. 

  On 02/12/2020 at 04:49, Neil Crompton said:

Luci, I would assume that because the land is govt owned and they are providing a certain level of finance, that they would lead the  project.  It should make the project cut through govt red tape so much easier.

Our club has stated that the phase 1 feasibility study was developed based on a set of criteria that we proposed for our project. We may not get everything our hearts desire, but as Phase 1 is complete, then the list of facilities to be provided has already been agreed to and approved.

In some ways I find it comforting that the Govt is leading the development as it means they are committed to the project. 

tend to agree neil.

and "leading" doesn't necessarily mean doing all the work, but does give a lot of credibility to project

puts us more in the tent than outside it, trying to get in

  On 02/12/2020 at 04:56, daisycutter said:

tend to agree neil.

and "leading" doesn't necessarily mean doing all the work, but does give a lot of credibility to project

puts us more in the tent than outside it, trying to get in

Sounds like LBJ. We know what that was DC.

  On 02/12/2020 at 04:49, Neil Crompton said:

Luci, I would assume that because the land is govt owned and they are providing a certain level of finance, that they would lead the  project.  It should make the project cut through govt red tape so much easier.

Our club has stated that the phase 1 feasibility study was developed based on a set of criteria that we proposed for our project. We may not get everything our hearts desire, but as Phase 1 is complete, then the list of facilities to be provided has already been agreed to and approved.

In some ways I find it comforting that the Govt is leading the development as it means they are committed to the project. 

Thanks NC. 

That is very good news!  It would be great for members to hear what the facilities are pretty soon.

  On 02/12/2020 at 04:15, dpositive said:

I felt the same logic when viewing the precinct. It's why I was surprised when I got lost in Port Melbourne , which coincided with a search for the Ron Barassi oval. That facility does exist and Port Melbourne which wears the red and blue colours is rich with the history of the game which the Melbourne Football Club represents.

we could do worse than look closely at some of the sites in that now reclaimed area. A joint entertainment community facility would not be out of place in a rejuvenated area, the government may even be persuaded to support such an initiative more generously.

Well worth a look dp. Maybe some supporters and or management dont realise just how close places like Port Melbourne are to the G.

  On 02/12/2020 at 07:35, Half forward flank said:

Well worth a look dp. Maybe some supporters and or management dont realise just how close places like Port Melbourne are to the G.

Last time I looked it was not remotely close to the " MCG vacinity. "

  On 02/12/2020 at 09:34, old dee said:

Last time I looked it was not remotely close to the " MCG vacinity. "

10 minutes, google maps.

there's no space in port melbourne bigger than gosch's area.....assuming you could even get it

  On 02/12/2020 at 10:25, Half forward flank said:

10 minutes, google maps.

What by fast train?

  On 02/12/2020 at 20:38, Kent said:

What by fast train?

Yes Kent the only time it is ten minutes was in the middle of the lock down and even then I doubt it.

  On 02/12/2020 at 21:43, old dee said:

Yes Kent the only time it is ten minutes was in the middle of the lock down and even then I doubt it.

That is because you have never done the 5 km drive. Even less from the Spencers St end of town where the middle of the CBD is shifting towards. Maybe google maps is to complicated, so try a melways street directory.

  On 02/12/2020 at 10:39, daisycutter said:

there's no space in port melbourne bigger than gosch's area.....assuming you could even get it

If you have a look around there's plenty of existing  green space and maybe a bit of redundant industrial space.

im sure you could get it if you really want, as the song goes , if you try try try you'll succeed at last!

  On 03/12/2020 at 05:21, dpositive said:

If you have a look around there's plenty of existing  green space and maybe a bit of redundant industrial space.

im sure you could get it if you really want, as the song goes , if you try try try you'll succeed at last!

went through this last year and checked possible sites, esp those marked for development

i'm sure the club has also looked at port melbourne

  On 03/12/2020 at 05:21, dpositive said:

If you have a look around there's plenty of existing  green space and maybe a bit of redundant industrial space.

im sure you could get it if you really want, as the song goes , if you try try try you'll succeed at last!

Port Melbourne's oval is bordered on two sides by DHL and Aust Post parcel locker. Not the hardest places to relocate.

If only we had enough money... what a complex it could make.

No planing issues, no community backlash, a short walk to Crown for those who are so inclined and not too far to the old South Melbourne market.

Edited December 3, 20204 yr by Diamond_Jim

Port Melbourne looked a viable option at one point under PJ, but Barlett wants us in the heart of Melbourne, near the G and he will stop at nothing to ensure this happens during his tenure. 

  On 02/12/2020 at 09:34, old dee said:

Last time I looked it was not remotely close to the " MCG vacinity. "

depends how you define remotely. the 109 tram gets you there in 15 mins from the top of collins street. 

I consider Casey Fields remote. Port Melbourne is close by.

  On 03/12/2020 at 05:49, Diamond_Jim said:

Port Melbourne's oval is bordered on two sides by DHL and Aust Post parcel locker. Not the hardest places to relocate.

If only we had enough money... what a complex it could make.

No planing issues, no community backlash, a short walk to Crown for those who are so inclined and not too far to the old South Melbourne market.

I think Port Melbourne is as good a spot as any. The whole area is ripe for development. 

  On 03/12/2020 at 05:53, Dannyz said:

Port Melbourne looked a viable option at one point under PJ, but Barlett wants us in the heart of Melbourne, near the G and he will stop at nothing to ensure this happens during his tenure. 

Well then nothing will happen, if he is only looking in the heart of Melbourne he won't find anything.

  On 03/12/2020 at 05:05, Half forward flank said:

That is because you have never done the 5 km drive. Even less from the Spencers St end of town where the middle of the CBD is shifting towards. Maybe google maps is to complicated, so try a melways street directory.

I have driving all over Melbourne in my jobs for the 45 years I suggest you should make the drive. But I am not sure why we are going on with this this as the MFC have said on numerous occasions that facility has to be in the vicinity of the G. Port Melb. Is not in the vicinity of the G no matter how you look at it.

End of story.

  On 03/12/2020 at 09:43, Better days ahead said:

I think Port Melbourne is as good a spot as any. The whole area is ripe for development. 

I don’t have an objection Bda but the board and the vast majority of members want it close to the G.Nothing else will get a look in.

  On 01/12/2020 at 20:49, Kent said:

I would get into bed with Eddie and encourage the  investment, development and relocation of the Pies to Vic Park and we take Olympic Park where we should have been originally except for Joe and his idiots.

Simple plan,  ticks all boxes and is the lowest cost solution by far and satisfies the needs of two great teams going forward

Get it done and stop wasting time

Joe was not the president when the MFC knocked back the offer of moving into the Lexus Centre. It was Gabriel he was president at the time

Edited December 3, 20204 yr by don't make me angry

  On 03/12/2020 at 10:32, don't make me angry said:

Joe was not the president when the MFC knocked back the offer of moving into the Lexus Centre. It was Gabriel he was president at the time

Even if we got it we'd still be sharing with VIS and training on Gosch's like Collingwood did in 2010. Remember it took some shady [censored] from eddie to get VIS relocated to south melbourne and replace olympic park with an oval. 

Edited December 3, 20204 yr by Gouga

  On 03/12/2020 at 10:32, don't make me angry said:

Joe was not the president when the MFC knocked back the offer of moving into the Lexus Centre. It was Gabriel he was president at the time

In fairness to Gabriel we were such a basket case back then that entering into something like Olympic park would've been very difficult (though not impossible with proper support from the government). That was our best opportunity to be involved in a new project right on the doorstep of the MCG though, I'm not giving him (and the club) a free pass from missing out but we had such a mountain of issues back then and number one was simply surviving.

For the benefit of the club I wouldn't be against moving away from the MCG precinct as long as it wasn't far away. 

Port Melbourne

Did I mention the magnificent Borough Burger

Training nights pre GF would take on another level

(Hell we even share the colours and the song)

 

Edited December 3, 20204 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 03/12/2020 at 11:36, Pates said:

In fairness to Gabriel we were such a basket case back then that entering into something like Olympic park would've been very difficult (though not impossible with proper support from the government). That was our best opportunity to be involved in a new project right on the doorstep of the MCG though, I'm not giving him (and the club) a free pass from missing out but we had such a mountain of issues back then and number one was simply surviving.

For the benefit of the club I wouldn't be against moving away from the MCG precinct as long as it wasn't far away. 

Not really this is the man who said no to 3 million dollars over 3 years, from the competitive fund, that was on offer from the AFL,  he said we don't need the extra coin because we make enough money, when he got rid of Joe, the Club had less then 1 million in debt, and our debt was over 5 million after 3 seasons with him at the top.

So many people blame Joe for a lot of things which you Gabriel actually did, how the sands of time has covered this men's tracks I don't know, maybe because Joe is a Jew, and Gabriel is not