Rhyce Shaw takes extended break

[Kent 2,914]

9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

So until a player comes out we must assume there are none? And therefore the topic must be shut down? What a ridiculous proposition!

 

 

Your clarity of logic is wasted Mooney Doesn't get it

[Biffen 12,946]

How did we go gay from Rhyce Shaw retiring?

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

How did we go gay from Rhyce Shaw retiring?

Same thing could be said as to why there's 700 replies based on a baseless Oliver rumour.

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10 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I think the stress and pressure would have been even more extreme this year for someone in Shaw's position.  Week after week of getting belted on the park together with a life constantly on the road with virtually no private personal space in the hub bubbles.

I'd be wanting to take some time out and clear my head if I was in his position too.  And it's by no means a sign of weakness to step away from a situation that's causing great personal anguish and look after yourself.  I'm sure Rhyce's family need him in a happy, well state far more than the North Melbourne football club need his coaching (no slight intended).

This is why clubs need to do their due diligence in picking a coach, Glenn Archer made the decision to make shaw coach, without a due process, Glenn thought they had a good list, Brad Scott told them they needed a rebuild, Shaw said no they are close to being great, he told them what they wanted to hear, we know what happens when someone makes a captain's call on a coach eg( Lyon call on Neeld)

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9 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

This is why clubs need to do their due diligence in picking a coach, Glenn Archer made the decision to make shaw coach, without a due process, Glenn thought they had a good list, Brad Scott told them they needed a rebuild, Shaw said no they are close to being great, he told them what they wanted to hear, we know what happens when someone makes a captain's call on a coach eg( Lyon call on Neeld)

He's hardly the first coach or club to overate their list.

[old55 23,687]

On 10/16/2020 at 9:04 PM, old dee said:

I feel the MFC should give North a hand. Among other things they now have no coach.  We should loan them our coach for the next two seasons. Seems only fair to me. 

 

11 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Sounds like Voss will take over and Roos might be involved as a consultant.

I’d be filthy if Roos agreed to be head coach. He left us after only 3 years with an emotionless robot who’s undoing all of his previous good work.

Questionable posts in a thread about the mental health of a coach.

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11 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Well obviously the gay afl players think that people care. hence why none of them have felt comfortable to come out. in the aflw, they have already had several players happily parade around their gay partners and they have been in the comp for a mere speck on the afl timeline.

Its all well and good to say no-one cares, it's not our business etc. but you're not recognising that the proof is in the fact that as many as say 30 afl players (statistically speaking) haven't felt that the afl society is ready for it. which is sad

Whether you're gay straight or lesbian i dont give a crap whether you decide to shout it to the whole world or not , do what you want 

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11 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Here’s a thought, maybe it’s no ones business what sexual orientation someone is. Do players ‘come out’ as straight? Why should they have to come out as gay? It’s 2020, move on. 

If an AFL player turns up to the Brownlow with their girlfriend, that's coming out?  No?

Because if an AFL Player turned up to the Brownlow with their boyfriend...

So, shall we reword it - "So far, no AFL player has ever felt able to do normal (for an AFL player) relationship things with their partner."

There are several gay AFL level footballers and that does included top quality players. There has been for twenty years just that I know of, and who knows how long before that.  Ah, it must have been such fun to politely smile along to the 90s Footy Show.

Anyway, the only connection to the thread is someone raising it as an example of how much pressure there is in the AFL community to not have any apparent 'vulnerabilities' and how that can lead to silently escalating stress for anyone who feels like they aren't keeping up.  Not least, a senior coach of a club that is imploding at every level.

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46 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Whether you're gay straight or lesbian i dont give a crap whether you decide to shout it to the whole world or not , do what you want 

The difference is it's cool to be lesbian, not so much being gay.

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11 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Well obviously the gay afl players think that people care. hence why none of them have felt comfortable to come out. in the aflw, they have already had several players happily parade around their gay partners and they have been in the comp for a mere speck on the afl timeline.

Its all well and good to say no-one cares, it's not our business etc. but you're not recognising that the proof is in the fact that as many as say 30 afl players (statistically speaking) haven't felt that the afl society is ready for it. which is sad

The difference is it's cool to be a lesbian, not so much to be gay, also female athletes have been out and proud lesbians in most sports for years,, men's sport not so much, can you name me many NFL players NBA players. Or any sport with openly gay players.

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12 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

If an AFL player turns up to the Brownlow with their girlfriend, that's coming out?  No?

Because if an AFL Player turned up to the Brownlow with their boyfriend...

So, shall we reword it - "So far, no AFL player has ever felt able to do normal (for an AFL player) relationship things with their partner."

There are several gay AFL level footballers and that does included top quality players. There has been for twenty years just that I know of, and who knows how long before that.  Ah, it must have been such fun to politely smile along to the 90s Footy Show.

Anyway, the only connection to the thread is someone raising it as an example of how much pressure there is in the AFL community to not have any apparent 'vulnerabilities' and how that can lead to silently escalating stress for anyone who feels like they aren't keeping up.  Not least, a senior coach of a club that is imploding at every level.

I completely understand what you’re saying, I just think we should stop viewing it as ‘coming out’. 

[Little Goffy 14,639]

Back to Shaw and North, though...

For him personally it is easy to see how you'd be crushed as a new senior coach of a season where the club simply failed to function and it seems like everyone was on blame and attack mode as soon as things got difficult. Add to the the collection of 'we saved the club' coterie types who want a say, the large number of disgruntled ex-players, bloody Covid, and the massive pressure that comes from the ever-present threat of the club actually closing down on your watch...

I'm not sure any individual could have achieved much with North Melbourne this season.

But what about next season and beyond?  Things may be even worse and the thought of the club folding or being merged away is one that has to start lurking in the back of people's minds.

They have less talent under 24 years old than we have talent just from the 2019 draft.  They need to find a ruck and a key forward, we're seen this season how much their midfield relies on Ziebell and Cunnington, both currently 29, and supported by the likes of Aaron Hall (also 29), Jared Polec (28) and Shaun Higgins (32 and leaving).  They have a couple of respectable key defenders but Robbie Tarrant is crucial and, again, is 31.

They're delisted 11 players, will lose/trade perhaps four more, and they've recently cut six assistant coaches of all kinds of levels.

They've got no financial reserves, the AFL's smallest supporter base which has already been bled pale for extra contributions, dysfunctional club leadership, unhappy players and an old list with not a single potential star coming through among the kids.

I hate saying it, but right now it is hard to imagine North Melbourne still operating at AFL level in five years time.

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8 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Back to Shaw and North, though...

For him personally it is easy to see how you'd be crushed as a new senior coach of a season where the club simply failed to function and it seems like everyone was on blame and attack mode as soon as things got difficult. Add to the the collection of 'we saved the club' coterie types who want a say, the large number of disgruntled ex-players, bloody Covid, and the massive pressure that comes from the ever-present threat of the club actually closing down on your watch...

I'm not sure any individual could have achieved much with North Melbourne this season.

But what about next season and beyond?  Things may be even worse and the thought of the club folding or being merged away is one that has to start lurking in the back of people's minds.

They have less talent under 24 years old than we have talent just from the 2019 draft.  They need to find a ruck and a key forward, we're seen this season how much their midfield relies on Ziebell and Cunnington, both currently 29, and supported by the likes of Aaron Hall (also 29), Jared Polec (28) and Shaun Higgins (32 and leaving).  They have a couple of respectable key defenders but Robbie Tarrant is crucial and, again, is 31.

They're delisted 11 players, will lose/trade perhaps four more, and they've recently cut six assistant coaches of all kinds of levels.

They've got no financial reserves, the AFL's smallest supporter base which has already been bled pale for extra contributions, dysfunctional club leadership, unhappy players and an old list with not a single potential star coming through among the kids.

I hate saying it, but right now it is hard to imagine North Melbourne still operating at AFL level in five years time.

North's youth is not the problem - Simpkin, Zuhaar, Larkey, LDU, Thomas and Scott can all play and they have picks 2 and 9 in what looks like a good draft for KPs who are hard to find.

They have good senior role models in Cunnngton, Ziebell, Tarrant and Goldstein.

It's the black hole in their 24-27yo that's the big issue.  They are trying to offload Brown and Polec for picks, and the only others who are AFL standard are Anderson, McDonald and Dumont - hardly inspiring.

They are in for 4 years of rebuild pain at a very bad time.

 

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11 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Back to Shaw and North, though...

For him personally it is easy to see how you'd be crushed as a new senior coach of a season where the club simply failed to function and it seems like everyone was on blame and attack mode as soon as things got difficult. Add to the the collection of 'we saved the club' coterie types who want a say, the large number of disgruntled ex-players, bloody Covid, and the massive pressure that comes from the ever-present threat of the club actually closing down on your watch...

I'm not sure any individual could have achieved much with North Melbourne this season.

But what about next season and beyond?  Things may be even worse and the thought of the club folding or being merged away is one that has to start lurking in the back of people's minds.

They have less talent under 24 years old than we have talent just from the 2019 draft.  They need to find a ruck and a key forward, we're seen this season how much their midfield relies on Ziebell and Cunnington, both currently 29, and supported by the likes of Aaron Hall (also 29), Jared Polec (28) and Shaun Higgins (32 and leaving).  They have a couple of respectable key defenders but Robbie Tarrant is crucial and, again, is 31.

They're delisted 11 players, will lose/trade perhaps four more, and they've recently cut six assistant coaches of all kinds of levels.

They've got no financial reserves, the AFL's smallest supporter base which has already been bled pale for extra contributions, dysfunctional club leadership, unhappy players and an old list with not a single potential star coming through among the kids.

I hate saying it, but right now it is hard to imagine North Melbourne still operating at AFL level in five years time.

They were saying that about us 5 years ago. In a competition of 18 teams in sport native to only Australia the talent pool IMO is stretched too far. There is always going to be 1 or 2 teams that are close to not being competitive. It is North and Adelaide at present. The AFL created a competition with 18 teams IMO they over estimated the size of the talent pool. 

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1 minute ago, old dee said:

They were saying that about us 5 years ago. In a competition of 18 teams in sport native to only Australia the talent pool IMO is stretched too far. There is always going to be 1 or 2 teams that are close to not being competitive. It is North and Adelaide at present. The AFL created a competition with 18 teams IMO they over estimated the size of the talent pool. 

I'd add that they also under-invested in developing that pool.  Eyes always on the bling at AFL HQ, and the second-tier game and development pathways have been neglected for far too long.

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1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Back to Shaw and North, though...

For him personally it is easy to see how you'd be crushed as a new senior coach of a season where the club simply failed to function and it seems like everyone was on blame and attack mode as soon as things got difficult. Add to the the collection of 'we saved the club' coterie types who want a say, the large number of disgruntled ex-players, bloody Covid, and the massive pressure that comes from the ever-present threat of the club actually closing down on your watch...

I'm not sure any individual could have achieved much with North Melbourne this season.

But what about next season and beyond?  Things may be even worse and the thought of the club folding or being merged away is one that has to start lurking in the back of people's minds.

They have less talent under 24 years old than we have talent just from the 2019 draft.  They need to find a ruck and a key forward, we're seen this season how much their midfield relies on Ziebell and Cunnington, both currently 29, and supported by the likes of Aaron Hall (also 29), Jared Polec (28) and Shaun Higgins (32 and leaving).  They have a couple of respectable key defenders but Robbie Tarrant is crucial and, again, is 31.

They're delisted 11 players, will lose/trade perhaps four more, and they've recently cut six assistant coaches of all kinds of levels.

They've got no financial reserves, the AFL's smallest supporter base which has already been bled pale for extra contributions, dysfunctional club leadership, unhappy players and an old list with not a single potential star coming through among the kids.

I hate saying it, but right now it is hard to imagine North Melbourne still operating at AFL level in five years time.

I think Roos is perfect for them in a consultancy role. He’ll make sure they put the right people in the right roles. That’s the critical thing. Him and Jackson did it for us when we were a shambles so he can do it for North.

I hope Rhyce Shaw recovers quickly. He did the right thing stepping aside to sort himself out.

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Adam Kingsley to be announced as coach 

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2 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Adam Kingsley to be announced as coach 

Interim or permanent?

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1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Interim or permanent?

Permanent 

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7 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Permanent 

Interesting. Not so much the person, but the speed of the decision. Perhaps the NMFC already knew from Rhyce Shaw that he wasn't coming back and had his permission to start looking. If not, it put NMFC in a very difficult position if they were interviewing potential new coaches while uncertain whether Shaw was coming back or not. 

Edit: Thinking about it a bit more I suspect Shaw and the NMFC had been negotiating a departure package so the club knew he was leaving.  And I suspect had his permission to look for his replacement.

Edited October 22, 2020 by La Dee-vina Comedia

[Demon3 2,541]

I find this incredibly sad for a young man having done a lot of work to get into a position to land a senior job. Mental health does  not discriminate, its had a big affect on my family and i know the battles it comes with. Its a timely reminder for lots of us to check in on mates... it absolutely costs nothing to ask if someone is going ok. 

Hope Rhyse finds the balance in his life he needs to get better.

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Just now, Demon3 said:

I find this incredibly sad for a young man having done a lot of work to get into a position to land a senior job. Mental health does  not discriminate, its had a big affect on my family and i know the battles it comes with. Its a timely reminder for lots of us to check in on mates... it absolutely costs nothing to ask if someone is going ok. 

Hope Rhyse finds the balance in his life he needs to get better.

With all due respect to Shaw, do we know it's a mental health problem? It could be something else. I can think of two other options but would rather not speculate.

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5 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

With all due respect to Shaw, do we know it's a mental health problem? It could be something else. I can think of two other options but would rather not speculate.

Look that's a really good point, i am only going from what i have and probably many have heard, im not sure what you are alluding to and dont want to know and im not being smart. Whatever the case, i hope he is ok.

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Does anyone actually know what has happened with Shaw or is it just guessing/speculating?

Edited October 22, 2020 by DemonOX