4 hours ago, Lefty said:

This could be a big factor. Being in close quarters to your coaches and teammates might not be the best for some people an they want out. Perhaps he saw how other teams operate (ie: Collingwood in the same resort playing finals) and wants what they have.

I have a mate that works for an AFL club in corporate functions, he mentioned a few of the players from his club that don't view footy as their entire life were really battling in the Hub. Some blokes go to training, meetings etc and then have nothing to do with footy outside those commitments, they need to unwind. They don't enjoy being around the boys 24/7.

 

18 minutes ago, Older demon said:

On radio this morning the discussion was around Carlton, their salary cap and De Goey, however Clarrie got a mention and I bet all managers have been involved. It was stated that as Carlton have paid under their cap the last 2 years they can now pay 5% over for next season and a set period beyond. Their recruiting team set a list of targets that included De Goey and Clarrie as well as Saad and Williams and who else knows. It was then stated that a few weeks ago De Goey was very heavily into Carlton on their promise of money and more midfield time. For those who cannot see where the money is coming from Carlton have been saving and planning this and now making a raid on their targets.

This is the thing that most people don't realise in footy clubs and big business, they are always planning for the future, not reacting on a whim.

Smart planning by Carlton and looks like they have had a good crack at all 4 and landed 2, great result for them

8 minutes ago, BW511 said:

This is the thing that most people don't realise in footy clubs and big business, they are always planning for the future, not reacting on a whim.

Smart planning by Carlton and looks like they have had a good crack at all 4 and landed 2, great result for them

They still have space for 1 more.  DeGoey is not 1 of them as they don’t want the baggage that comes along with him.  They are in the market for a genuine mid and Oliver is definitely in their sights.  They are still not convinced they can get him this year 

Edited October 12, 20204 yr by Demons11

Just now, Demons11 said:

They still have space for 1 more.  DeGoey is not 1 of them as they don’t want the baggage that comes along with him.  They are in the market for a genuine mid and Oliver is definitely in their sights.  They are still not convinced they can get him this year 

And as many keep mentioning, if the MFC doesn't improve drastically next year, then it may be too tempting for him to ignore.

Interesting that the whispers about Carlton and Oliver did and do have real substance- confirmed by Carlton themselves and were not just a made up BigFooty rumour like many screamed they were.

3 minutes ago, BW511 said:

And as many keep mentioning, if the MFC doesn't improve drastically next year, then it may be too tempting for him to ignore.

Interesting that the whispers about Carlton and Oliver did and do have real substance- confirmed by Carlton themselves and were not just a made up BigFooty rumour like many screamed they were.

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It's an interesting topic. Is a player bigger than other personnel or dynamics at a club? 

Does Oliver's alleged interest in leaving mean personnel or other things are shifted to suit one (very bloody good) player?

Philosophically I would hope not, he (as everyone is) is merely but a cog in a wheel...

Emotionally though, hmmmmm...

 

Just spent the last 3 hours at the beach, now have an 8% beer in hand... how good are Monday's on leave ?

Edited October 12, 20204 yr by Engorged Onion

10 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

It's an interesting topic. Is a player bigger than other personnel or dynamics at a club? 

Does Oliver's alleged interest in leaving mean personnel or other things are shifted to suit one (very bloody good) player?

Philosophically I would hope not, he (as everyone is) is merely but a cog in a wheel...

Emotionally though, hmmmmm...

 

Just spent the last 3 hours at the beach, now have an 8% beer in hand... how good are Monday's on leave ?

Which Beach?

2 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Which Beach?

Ahhh, you know where I live :)

6 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Ahhh, you know where I live :)

Drysdale back Beach

 

Edited October 12, 20204 yr by drysdale demon
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Interesting you have two well loved players by their respective clubs, at least until 2018, in tmac and ben brown now being potentially shopped out a few years later as fodder.  Yet people seem to question a players' motivations?? Its a business played by professionals.  I dont blame any player for wanting the best for himself for whatever reason. Family, $$, finals, personnel clash.  Everyone has different motivations. I hope dearly he stays.

Interesting to see a few people opine that a failure to make finals next year would be the catalyst for some of our better players to consider leaving.

Have any of you thought that a failure THIS year might have had the same effect?

Im not in the least surprised that rumours are swirling about the players becoming restless. Success is what all of us want.

The difference is that players can go elsewhere to find that success, whereas the fans are stuck waiting for MFC to break through.

Club is at a crossroads imo.

Edited October 12, 20204 yr by ding

So if Oliver is [censored] of about not playing in finals why would he go to Carlton?

money maybe, but I’m happy to argue with anyone that they are no closer to success than us.

their midfield is no stronger (would be with Oliver), they have a lesser ruck, no better keys backs, no small forward (after Eddie), average disposal, and young and flaky (and injury prone) key forwards who probably all can’t play in the same team. 

 

8 minutes ago, spalding said:

So if Oliver is [censored] of about not playing in finals why would he go to Carlton?

money maybe, but I’m happy to argue with anyone that they are no closer to success than us.

their midfield is no stronger (would be with Oliver), they have a lesser ruck, no better keys backs, no small forward (after Eddie), average disposal, and young and flaky (and injury prone) key forwards who probably all can’t play in the same team. 

 

After lockdown go to Carlton and see their facilities. It feels like a footy Club. It might also be about selling a vision.

22 minutes ago, ding said:

Interesting to see a few people opine that a failure to make finals next year would be the catalyst for some of our better players to consider leaving.

Have any of you thought that a failure THIS year might have had the same effect?

Im not in the least surprised that rumours are swirling about the players becoming restless. Success is what all of us want.

The difference is that players can go elsewhere to find that success, whereas the fans are stuck waiting for MFC to break through.

Club is at a crossroads imo.

Too true. The Club and some people here were unable to read the tea leaves this season and saw no urgency to our plight. 

I reckon he'd be pretty dissapointed in Jack Vineys comments to be totally honest, calling them a selfish midfield, i don't think Oliver is a selfish player, 

if that's the feedback the club is giving these guys, i'd find that Staggering, Oliver is one of the best young players the club has ever had and is seemingly considering leaving because the club isn't where it should be on multiple fronts. 

If that isn't a good enough reason to sack Goodwin along with the performances i fear he's untouchable.

8 hours ago, Demons11 said:

They still have space for 1 more.  DeGoey is not 1 of them as they don’t want the baggage that comes along with him.  They are in the market for a genuine mid and Oliver is definitely in their sights.  They are still not convinced they can get him this year 

Would be staggered if we relented and let him go this year, but would imagine they would go even harder next year when they have greater leverage.

Should we be getting in Merrett's ear or Tim Taranto's ahead of any potential need to replace Clarrie? A few good ones coming out of contract next year.'

2 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Would be staggered if we relented and let him go this year, but would imagine they would go even harder next year when they have greater leverage.

Should we be getting in Merrett's ear or Tim Taranto's ahead of any potential need to replace Clarrie? A few good ones coming out of contract next year.'

I think Josh Kelly is out of contract next year 

Man this is a sad lot. Weeks and weeks of gossiping about Viney, analysing how he looked frustrated at the Bnf etc. Nek mennit..5 year contract. Shame on all of you.  

So what do you shift your wasted attention to now?? A baseless Oliver rumour. lol. 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

5 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Man this is a sad lot. Weeks and weeks of gossiping about Viney, analysing how he looked frustrated at the Bnf etc. Nek mennit..5 year contract. Shame on all of you.  

So what do you shift your wasted attention to now?? A baseless Oliver rumour. lol. 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

You understand football forums, right?

24 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I reckon he'd be pretty dissapointed in Jack Vineys comments to be totally honest, calling them a selfish midfield, i don't think Oliver is a selfish player, 

if that's the feedback the club is giving these guys, i'd find that Staggering, Oliver is one of the best young players the club has ever had and is seemingly considering leaving because the club isn't where it should be on multiple fronts. 

If that isn't a good enough reason to sack Goodwin along with the performances i fear he's untouchable.

I think you're taking Viney's words and twisting them to suit the narrative you're trying to spin. Viney's comments on the midfield being selfish is more about the bees to the honey-pot idea where too many of our guys seem to dive in to get the ball almost blocking others out of the way. I even remember one point where I think one of our players essentially tackled his own teammate to extract the ball.

I hate to say it but they all do it, Clarry included. The other knock on Oliver (and the midfield) that may not be selfish but it's not a great attitude is to palm off responsibility of the play to other players. I remember one of our closer losses when we had a chance to come back into it he won a free kick in the middle of the ground from the bounce and rather than taking a breath and backing himself he handballed it (poorly I might add) to one of our younger players and put him under totally unnecessary pressure. 

Now this talk about Clarry and Carlton is scuttlebutt anyway, but if he has problems than he should do what Trac did and confront the issue and take the necessary steps to become better.

15 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Man this is a sad lot. Weeks and weeks of gossiping about Viney, analysing how he looked frustrated at the Bnf etc. Nek mennit..5 year contract. Shame on all of you.  

So what do you shift your wasted attention to now?? A baseless Oliver rumour. lol. 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

It’s a forum for discussion... about the MFC.... it’s players, coaches, Board, Footy dept... boot studders. People discuss things... it’s part of the forum idea. 
You don’t have to like to commentary but enjoy the forum?

18 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Man this is a sad lot. Weeks and weeks of gossiping about Viney, analysing how he looked frustrated at the Bnf etc. Nek mennit..5 year contract. Shame on all of you.  

So what do you shift your wasted attention to now?? A baseless Oliver rumour. lol. 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

Don’t forget about Viney doing a poo instead of singing the team song after beating St Kilda. 

2 minutes ago, Pates said:

I think you're taking Viney's words and twisting them to suit the narrative you're trying to spin. Viney's comments on the midfield being selfish is more about the bees to the honey-pot idea where too many of our guys seem to dive in to get the ball almost blocking others out of the way. I even remember one point where I think one of our players essentially tackled his own teammate to extract the ball.

I hate to say it but they all do it, Clarry included. The other knock on Oliver (and the midfield) that may not be selfish but it's not a great attitude is to palm off responsibility of the play to other players. I remember one of our closer losses when we had a chance to come back into it he won a free kick in the middle of the ground from the bounce and rather than taking a breath and backing himself he handballed it (poorly I might add) to one of our younger players and put him under totally unnecessary pressure. 

Now this talk about Clarry and Carlton is scuttlebutt anyway, but if he has problems than he should do what Trac did and confront the issue and take the necessary steps to become better.

I think perhaps Viney should have been more clear if that's what he was trying to say, using the word selfish is very pointed, and i would hope has been explained privately to Clarry. 

but if we assume that's the case, then the club really needs to take some responsiblity for the strategy of recruiting competitive animal ball winners who's natural inclination is to do that, it's very difficult to unlearn those habits, and one of our huge issues is that when we're under the pump, players do tend to return to their poor habits and move away from the team structure. 

I was in favour of letting Jack Viney walk because i felt he was the one who seemed to have the hardest time turning off the desire to attack the ball in that way, and at times the midfield structure has looked better overall without him in it, that's not to say he's not a good player, i just felt of what we had, he was the one i'd be willing to lose for a better overall balance. 

The talk of Clarry to Carlton may be scuttlebutt in the sense that it's unlikely to happen this year, but i do think we face a battle to keep him from 2021 onwards if we have another year like we did this year, we can't be missing finals with a full list, and i think Clarry is one of the few who, despite having a slightly down year, could walk away proud of his efforts over the season. 

30 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Man this is a sad lot. Weeks and weeks of gossiping about Viney, analysing how he looked frustrated at the Bnf etc. Nek mennit..5 year contract. Shame on all of you.  

So what do you shift your wasted attention to now?? A baseless Oliver rumour. lol. 

Does anyone on this forum understand football? 

You continue to carry on and vent that this thread is a joke etc.. yet you still find time to come on here and complain on the same exact thread over and over..

Simply ignore it if you can't handle it.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You continue to carry on and vent that this thread is a joke etc.. yet you still find time to come on here and complain on the same exact thread over and over..

Simply ignore it if you can't handle it.

Well it's like a bunch of headless chooks running around. We already know he is staying so the only reason I can understand there is a thread on this is of people have a sick fetish that they enjoy dreaming up trades that arent happening. 

Why can't we focus on the head coach who actually will be leaving in 2021.