Caroline Wilson on MFC rumblings

[Hogan2014 390]

Not great if true... so after Jackson brought stability we are back to we’re we started??

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demons-facing-another-brutal-end-to-the-season-20200911-p55ula.html

Edited September 11, 2020 by Grapeviney
thread title change

[Ethan Tremblay 29,994]

Did anyone else get to the end of the article and wonder why you read the whole thing with a lisp? 

[old dee 23,492]

5 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Not great if true... so after Jackson brought stability we are back to we’re we started??

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demons-facing-another-brutal-end-to-the-season-20200911-p55ula.html

Hard to find something to disagree with in the that piece. Says many of things that I and others have been thinking.

[Sir Why You Little 36,630]

Not suprised at all. Big Changes await. 
Tomorrow’s result means a lot

[Jaded No More 67,643]

The worst thing that has happened to this club in the past decade is the departure of Jackson. He saved this club from being a complete joke. I wish he had stayed longer. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,357]

There was this....

Bartlett extended the coach's contract after the 2018 season until the end of 2022 but the prevailing view is that next year Goodwin must reach certain performance targets to move into his final season, which means the coach would enter 2021 in a similar contractual position to Ken Hinkley this year.

May make it harder to sack SG this year if the KPI's don't kick in until next year

[Redleg 40,196]

12 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Did anyone else get to the end of the article and wonder why you read the whole thing with a lisp? 

That’s funny.

[Redleg 40,196]

6 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There was this....

Bartlett extended the coach's contract after the 2018 season until the end of 2022 but the prevailing view is that next year Goodwin must reach certain performance targets to move into his final season, which means the coach would enter 2021 in a similar contractual position to Ken Hinkley this year.

May make it harder to sack SG this year if the KPI's don't kick in until next year

Pretty tough to sack a Coach with 2 years left on a contract, after the most crazy season in AFL/VFL history and where his club was given the worst fixture in the Competition.

[old dee 23,492]

7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There was this....

Bartlett extended the coach's contract after the 2018 season until the end of 2022 but the prevailing view is that next year Goodwin must reach certain performance targets to move into his final season, which means the coach would enter 2021 in a similar contractual position to Ken Hinkley this year.

May make it harder to sack SG this year if the KPI's don't kick in until next year

Sadly DJ I think we are stuck with him for better or worse in 2021, seems we cannot pay him out. If only someone would stand against Bartlett, He would have had to sign off on the new 3 year deal for Goodwin before a ball was bounced in 2019. He now owns that decision.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

I hadn't realised that Bartlett has been there 7 years.

Caro says his appointment was "anointed" by Demetriou. What, exactly, does that mean? My first thought was that Demetriou had a role in his appointment but on a second reading, it could mean, well, nothing really, other than Demetriou not stopping the members from voting in who they wanted. Does anyone remember the event? Was it accepted at the time that Demetriou had some involvement in Bartlett's appointment?

[BDA 22,277]

19 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Did anyone else get to the end of the article and wonder why you read the whole thing with a lisp? 

I got to the end and wondered why I bothered to read it. Same old back room gossip and tittle tattle from Wilson. Her stock in trade.

[old dee 23,492]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Pretty tough to sack a Coach with 2 years left on a contract, after the most crazy season in AFL/VFL history and where his club was given the worst fixture in the Competition.

Yes but having him for 2021 fills me with dread.

[old dee 23,492]

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I hadn't realised that Bartlett has been there 7 years.

Caro says his appointment was "anointed" by Demetriou. What, exactly, does that mean? My first thought was that Demetriou had a role in his appointment but on a second reading, it could mean, well, nothing really, other than Demetriou not stopping the members from voting in who they wanted. Does anyone remember the event? Was it accepted at the time that Demetriou had some involvement in Bartlett's appointment?

Yes I remember there being talk about the AFL wanting to have a say following the period we had been through and them lender us money to get rid of Neeld etc.

[sue 9,006]

She can't miss an opportunity to throw in an irrelevant remark about tanking.:

Quote

Jim Stynes, whose presidency oversaw the tanking scandal, had brought the club and its unique elements together from the outset despite the other failings of its board.

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Pretty tough to sack a Coach with 2 years left on a contract, after the most crazy season in AFL/VFL history and where his club was given the worst fixture in the Competition.

And last season? what's next season's excuse? we've got one of the healthiest lists in the comp. no excuses for this rabble of a season. 

[Cranky Franky 1,823]

Extending his contract on the basis of ONE good year was idiotic.

Maybe after 3 succesful seasons ok.

Also crazy to give a solid player like Harmes a 5 year deal.

 

 

[roy11 3,671]

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Pretty tough to sack a Coach with 2 years left on a contract, after the most crazy season in AFL/VFL history and where his club was given the worst fixture in the Competition.

It's very Melbourne how the season worked out. Before the season people were saying we had a fairly good fixture but then someone ate a bat. 

[rjay 24,598]

Hindsight is a wonderfull thing.

Many may not agree but the Roos appointment may not have been such a great move.

We were so keen to get him that he came totally on his terms, the big one being his expiry date.

Because of this I suspect some decisions were rushed.

Dew was the man he wanted but it turned out we couldn't get him.

Time was running short and we went for Goodwin, someone that Roos didn't know.

Loved Jackson but I think he had tunnel vision in the pursuit of Roos and it maybe costing us now.

Of course this has then been compounded by Bartletts decision to extend the Goodwin contract.

[Jaded No More 67,643]

2 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Extending his contract on the basis of ONE good year was idiotic.

Maybe after 3 succesful seasons ok.

Also crazy to give a solid player like Harmes a 5 year deal.

 

 

Correct. We love jumping at shadows at this club.

Nobody was going to steal Goodwin or Harmes from under our noses. 

[Jaded No More 67,643]

2 minutes ago, roy11 said:

It's very Melbourne how the season worked out. Before the season people were saying we had a fairly good fixture but then someone ate a bat. 

'But then someone ate a bat' applies to pretty much every good thing anyone planned in 2020... weddings, holidays, footy premierships, leaving the house, coughing in public. 

Edited September 11, 2020 by Jaded

[old dee 23,492]

26 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The worst thing that has happened to this club in the past decade is the departure of Jackson. He saved this club from being a complete joke. I wish he had stayed longer. 

You , me and 40 000 others Jaded.

[Adam The God 29,369]

I don't mind any of this necessarily.

If Smith is a serious contender, it will keep Bartlett and co honest.

There is one interesting point to note.

Wilson says: "The president has never truly won back the trust or respect of those directors nor their networks despite the fact that several continue to give large donations to the club. Nor did Bartlett win friends at the MCC, a relationship he has never prioritised and one that Jackson did."

I was speaking to an influential MCC board member not too long ago and the distinct impression I got of the MCC's view of the MFC, or at least the view of that board member I spoke to, wasn't particularly complimentary. In fact, I'd call it dismissive.

[old dee 23,492]

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Correct. We love jumping at shadows at this club.

Nobody was going to steal Goodwin or Harmes from under our noses. 

Certainly not Goodwin at the start of 2019, Why they jumped before season started amazed me then and still does.

[Elwood 3184 1,294]

There’s very little strength shown at the very top of the club as shown by allowing the situation whereby we were the club to play Sydney and Freo within 4 days up in Cairns just 5 days after playing in Alice Springs and being one of only two clubs not to have a bye during several weeks of football frenzy. Eddie would have gone down kicking and screaming rather than allow his club to hit the wall and miss a finals series that way. 

 

[old dee 23,492]

1 minute ago, A F said:

I don't mind any of this necessarily.

If Smith is a serious contender, it will keep Bartlett and co honest.

There is one interesting point to note.

Wilson says: "The president has never truly won back the trust or respect of those directors nor their networks despite the fact that several continue to give large donations to the club. Nor did Bartlett win friends at the MCC, a relationship he has never prioritised and one that Jackson did."

I was speaking to an influential MCC board member not too long ago and the distinct impression I got of the MCC's view of the MFC, or at least the view of that board member I spoke to, wasn't particularly complimentary. In fact, I'd call it dismissive.

Time for someone / group to stand for election. But like usual we will all be to polite.