15 hours ago, Gawndog98 said:

These are a few moves i'd look to make this off season:

Viney walks in FA for band 1 or 2 compensation (nets us either pick 10-14 or end of first round pick)

Sign Zac Williams in Free Agency with the cash we would've used for Viney

Trade Sparrow and Hawthorn 2nd round for Rory Laird

Trade Viney compensation pick (mid or late 1st round) for Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Would also look at prying away some of GWS untapped talent such as Ian Hill, Jackson Hately, Xavier O-Halloran, Jye Caldwell

 

In: Zac Williams, Rory Laird, Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Out: Jack Viney, Tom Sparrow, Hawthorn 2nd

 

This is so bad. 

Edited August 12, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

37 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Trade Preuss for a 3rd/4th rounder.

 

Several clubs need a big man, surely we can do better than that. 

Trading Viney will never happen.. he is a fabric player, the club has done this in the past and it has been a bad move. The difference between Watts, who was also a fabric player and Viney is that Viney has more competitive spirit in his toe that Jack has. And frankly the people saying Viney and Brayshaw cant co-exist in the midfield is rubbish, its up to Goodwin to make this work. They can and they will. Viney is having a 10 time better year than Brayshaw, has his faults but he would be one of the first selected.

Pruess is the the one that will net us something.  GWS would kill for him, they need a ruckman, there 2 are old and just about done.  We need to go to the draft again, Pickett, Jackson and Rivers were a great group, no reason we cant identify need again.

2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Trading Viney will never happen.. he is a fabric player, the club has done this in the past and it has been a bad move. The difference between Watts, who was also a fabric player and Viney is that Viney has more competitive spirit in his toe that Jack has. And frankly the people saying Viney and Brayshaw cant co-exist in the midfield is rubbish, its up to Goodwin to make this work. They can and they will. Viney is having a 10 time better year than Brayshaw, has his faults but he would be one of the first selected.

Pruess is the the one that will net us something.  GWS would kill for him, they need a ruckman, there 2 are old and just about done.  We need to go to the draft again, Pickett, Jackson and Rivers were a great group, no reason we cant identify need again.

I think you're missing the bigger picture, Our midfield functions better without Viney in it. 

he may be a fabric player culturally but there is a reality to his role in the team that requires either a change in game style, a change in role or a change of team for Jack. 

it's no coincidence we functioned well in the middle without him there, even without Max. 

Gus, Oliver, Track is our best starting 3 mids in terms of a midfield unit. 

2 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I think you're missing the bigger picture, Our midfield functions better without Viney in it. 

he may be a fabric player culturally but there is a reality to his role in the team that requires either a change in game style, a change in role or a change of team for Jack. 

it's no coincidence we functioned well in the middle without him there, even without Max. 

Gus, Oliver, Track is our best starting 3 mids in terms of a midfield unit. 

I dont think i am missing the point, but i get why you might say that. Jack has had a great year, he is in front of Brayshaw in my opinion. Jack has done everything that's been asked of him, his numbers this year are very very good, as i said, he has his faults, but for me, it has to be worked out that Brayshaw fits around Viney at this stage not the other way around. Angus likes it on his terms, and i challenge anyone to say they dont look at Angus sometimes and say he is plain disinterested, dropped the bottom lip and not getting involved. That can never be said of Jack.

I suggest we functioned well in teh middle was more because we didnt have Max that because we dint have Jack.. and the opposition was trash. All good though we are entitled to our opinions and the jury is out for me on Angus and whether he can contribute on the clubs terms, not just on his. 

25 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I dont think i am missing the point, but i get why you might say that. Jack has had a great year, he is in front of Brayshaw in my opinion. Jack has done everything that's been asked of him, his numbers this year are very very good, as i said, he has his faults, but for me, it has to be worked out that Brayshaw fits around Viney at this stage not the other way around. Angus likes it on his terms, and i challenge anyone to say they dont look at Angus sometimes and say he is plain disinterested, dropped the bottom lip and not getting involved. That can never be said of Jack.

I suggest we functioned well in teh middle was more because we didnt have Max that because we dint have Jack.. and the opposition was trash. All good though we are entitled to our opinions and the jury is out for me on Angus and whether he can contribute on the clubs terms, not just on his. 

the Brayshaw vs Viney comparison urks me a bit to be honest, and i know you're just making a point on out and out quality. 

Jack really, is competing with oliver, not Brayshaw. 

Gus is more the inside/outside spreader, he adds something to the contest that Jack Doesn't. 

Viney and Oliver are both out and out inside bulls. 

i think the arguement is really between them, and if the coaches assumptions that both can play in the same team are correct.

Preuss and Hawthorn 2nd for Perryman and Bobby Hill

17 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

the Brayshaw vs Viney comparison urks me a bit to be honest, and i know you're just making a point on out and out quality. 

Jack really, is competing with oliver, not Brayshaw. 

Gus is more the inside/outside spreader, he adds something to the contest that Jack Doesn't. 

Viney and Oliver are both out and out inside bulls. 

i think the arguement is really between them, and if the coaches assumptions that both can play in the same team are correct.

All fair point Patches.. in an ideal world they co-exist. Wait and see.

1 hour ago, roy11 said:

Several clubs need a big man, surely we can do better than that. 

yeah true, we might be able to get a late 2nd in a weak draft.

No point keeping him on when we have Max, LJ and a developing Bradtke who shows promise.

2 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Lockhart is 25 next year. Draft another and he'll be ready in two/three years.

Papley will cost too much. Easily a first rounder and some. 

 

Papley's cost will be worth it a small forward who can kick 40 goals a year is priceless I think my future first rounder, Harmes, Vanders and Preuss could get the job done. 

50 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Papley's cost will be worth it a small forward who can kick 40 goals a year is priceless I think my future first rounder, Harmes, Vanders and Preuss could get the job done. 

i don't; no way swans would want effectively four players for one, especially not middle-tier picks and players

they'll be looking for (prospective) quality not quantity; blues' 1st round picks in 2020 and 2021 more likely to get it done, but even that's a stretch given their 1st rounder this year is likely to be somewhere between 8-12 and next year should be later than that if they're adding papley

1 minute ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i don't; no way swans would want effectively four players for one, especially not middle-tier picks and players

they'll be looking for (prospective) quality not quantity; blues' 1st round picks in 2020 and 2021 more likely to get it done, but even that's a stretch given their 1st rounder this year is likely to be somewhere between 8-12 and next year should be later than that if they're adding papley

I don't think you understand how weak Sydney's midfield is They desperately need Preuss and Harmes and Vandenberg are good midfielders and the future first round pick could be a top 5 pick knowing how up and down we are.

On 8/10/2020 at 7:39 PM, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm pretty sure Melbourne is happy with the list at the moment.  We have depth across the board with the possible exception of the ruck.  Could probably do with drafting another project ruck to bring on for five years and there are a few people who will be cut loose, but overall we're looking solid. 

We need three more elite, big, fast players to match it with the top teams. This list will not win a premiership.

On 8/10/2020 at 7:39 PM, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'm pretty sure Melbourne is happy with the list at the moment.  We have depth across the board with the possible exception of the ruck.  Could probably do with drafting another project ruck to bring on for five years and there are a few people who will be cut loose, but overall we're looking solid. 

How do you know this an insider or you just think that?

15 minutes ago, My name is legion said:

We need three more elite, big, fast players to match it with the top teams. This list will not win a premiership.

We definitely need another wingman and a small forward to help out Kossie. I don't know about a ruckman Preuss can't get a game and Bradtke is developing. I think we have enough depth in the ruck stocks.

We have already traded out of the 2020 compromised draft to get Pickett. 

It would be pointless to trade in draft picks this year, particularly since the absence of lower level and under age competitions has made player assessment more of a gamble.

We will be looking for player swap type arrangements, plus 2021 draft picks. 

I'd say that likely to go will be:

Corey Wagner

Aaron Nietschke

Josh Wagner

Kade Kolo

Nathan Jones

Kyle Dunkley

So depending on list sizes we may need to find 6 new players or potentially 3-4

18 hours ago, adonski said:

Crows would rather have Laird assassinated than give him up for a 2nd round pick. 

Turns 27 before the start of the next season and is a RFA at the end of 2021, they might make the move early knowing that's about all the compo they'd get next year. I see him as having 3 years of top level football left, so if he wants to play finals again he'll have to leave.

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

If Oscar is contracted we must keep him then. I doubt we would get any trade value for him. Do we have a list of who is uncontracted?

Just checked the contracts and Oscar isn't contracted but Kolodjashnij is interested to see what happens to him. I would now delist Oscar. Jetta is also contracted.

Edited August 12, 20204 yr by WERRIDEE

9 hours ago, 58er said:

I think it is listed in one of the threads around trade time or thereafter listing out full list Sorry can't remember which thread maybe Demonland May help.

OMac definitely uncontracted

10 hours ago, 58er said:

 

Any Kangas or Crows gettable in the 24/27 year and about 100/150  game category? 

Interesting but KP player F or B and smart running elite disposer of ball would be good through trade or draft. 

 

 

 

Laird/BSmith from the crows, unless u want Dom Tyson back ?  id steer very clear of all of norths list

 

 

2 minutes ago, Turner said:

OMac definitely uncontracted

Laird/BSmith from the crows, unless u want Dom Tyson back ?  id steer very clear of all of norths list

 

 

I like Brodie Smith can give us run off half back\wing.

All this talk about trades when there's only one that will see the most improvement. Out: Goodwin

 In terms of draftingand trading, we need some savvy small defenders to replace the ageing hibberd and jetta, as well as more pace in the midfield and another key forward. Realistically we can't do that in one draft 

2 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

I'd say that likely to go will be:

Corey Wagner

Aaron Nietschke

Josh Wagner

Kade Kolo

Nathan Jones

Kyle Dunkley

So depending on list sizes we may need to find 6 new players or potentially 3-4

Nietschke has been promised a new contract and KK is contracted.

I'd keep Dunkley as he will be cheap. 

The Wagner's have had enough time on the list.

Jones will retire

Oscar and Hunt should be delisted.

We just have to stay active in the period (which I'm sure we will) 

Would be great to maybe try and target Will Hoskin-Elliot from Pies if we can - we need another solid target up fwd as Melk/Hannan can go missing at times

I think the best thing with our list is that we aren't that far off

AVB + Jones won't be in best 22 next year and I'd like to see us replace them both with outside players, we don't need another inside mid. 

There'll be squeezes somewhere and we just have to try and get the right fit while not paying overs  

Footy Classified reporting Lachie Hunter (might) want out from the Dogs at years end.