Jump to content

Featured Replies

These are a few moves i'd look to make this off season:

Viney walks in FA for band 1 or 2 compensation (nets us either pick 10-14 or end of first round pick)

Sign Zac Williams in Free Agency with the cash we would've used for Viney

Trade Sparrow and Hawthorn 2nd round for Rory Laird

Trade Viney compensation pick (mid or late 1st round) for Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Would also look at prying away some of GWS untapped talent such as Ian Hill, Jackson Hately, Xavier O-Halloran, Jye Caldwell

 

In: Zac Williams, Rory Laird, Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Out: Jack Viney, Tom Sparrow, Hawthorn 2nd

 

Edited by Gawndog98

 
19 minutes ago, Gawndog98 said:

These are a few moves i'd look to make this off season:

Viney walks in FA for band 1 or 2 compensation (nets us either pick 10-14 or end of first round pick)

Sign Zac Williams in Free Agency with the cash we would've used for Viney

Trade Sparrow and Hawthorn 2nd round for Rory Laird

Trade Viney compensation pick (mid or late 1st round) for Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Would also look at prying away some of GWS untapped talent such as Ian Hill, Jackson Hately, Xavier O-Halloran, Jye Caldwell

 

In: Zac Williams, Rory Laird, Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Out: Jack Viney, Tom Sparrow, Hawthorn 2nd

 

That's terrible Viney is better than all those players must keep.

29 minutes ago, Gawndog98 said:

 

Sign Zac Williams in Free Agency with the cash we would've used for Viney

 

Nup.  We won't get a compensation pick if we sign a RFA ourselves.  

 
2 hours ago, Gawndog98 said:

These are a few moves i'd look to make this off season:

Viney walks in FA for band 1 or 2 compensation (nets us either pick 10-14 or end of first round pick)

Sign Zac Williams in Free Agency with the cash we would've used for Viney

Trade Sparrow and Hawthorn 2nd round for Rory Laird

Trade Viney compensation pick (mid or late 1st round) for Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Would also look at prying away some of GWS untapped talent such as Ian Hill, Jackson Hately, Xavier O-Halloran, Jye Caldwell

 

In: Zac Williams, Rory Laird, Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Out: Jack Viney, Tom Sparrow, Hawthorn 2nd

 

Yeah no

Zac Williams is worth the shot, but can we sell us to him on a tight budget? Wish it was him instead of Tomlinson last year ?, just want more speed in the team.


2 hours ago, Gawndog98 said:

These are a few moves i'd look to make this off season:

Viney walks in FA for band 1 or 2 compensation (nets us either pick 10-14 or end of first round pick)

Sign Zac Williams in Free Agency with the cash we would've used for Viney

Trade Sparrow and Hawthorn 2nd round for Rory Laird

Trade Viney compensation pick (mid or late 1st round) for Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Would also look at prying away some of GWS untapped talent such as Ian Hill, Jackson Hately, Xavier O-Halloran, Jye Caldwell

 

In: Zac Williams, Rory Laird, Harry Perryman, GWS 2nd

Out: Jack Viney, Tom Sparrow, Hawthorn 2nd

 

I do think Laird would be worth a shot, the Hawks 2nd rounder would be enough, good chance the crows will be going full rebuild and will want picks.

If Viney goes as a RFA and we get Williams then we get no picks, they offset each other. Plus getting rid of Viney, unless he really wants to leave, is the kind of thing that hurts a club massively, like getting rid of junior mac. 

My bad I didn't know this rule regarding free agency. If we were 100% sure we had convinced Williams to come to us I would still let Viney go because we have the players to cover his position, Williams adds something we don't have. I love Viney he's been massive for the club but if the move could improve our team I'd still do it, but only if we were 100% confident on Williams, i'd resign Viney if not. Laird would be nice and showed his worth tonight, I just put Sparrow in there because he'll be stuck behind Trac, Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes for inside mid opportunity for the next 5-10 years, he's an SA boy and adelaide could use him.

Nope to all of that.  Sparrow is emerging, Viney is VC and a rock (he would have to want to walk).

We are probably going to have to reduce lists before we even get started, so we should look to keep the core and emerging talent.  Also I think you undervalue the talent that others want to hang onto.  Perryman, Williams, laird will all be big coin gets.  Be lucky to land one of.

 
26 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I do think Laird would be worth a shot, the Hawks 2nd rounder would be enough, good chance the crows will be going full rebuild and will want picks.

If Viney goes as a RFA and we get Williams then we get no picks, they offset each other. Plus getting rid of Viney, unless he really wants to leave, is the kind of thing that hurts a club massively, like getting rid of junior mac. 

Crows would rather have Laird assassinated than give him up for a 2nd round pick. 


19 minutes ago, Gawndog98 said:

My bad I didn't know this rule regarding free agency. If we were 100% sure we had convinced Williams to come to us I would still let Viney go because we have the players to cover his position, Williams adds something we don't have. I love Viney he's been massive for the club but if the move could improve our team I'd still do it, but only if we were 100% confident on Williams, i'd resign Viney if not. Laird would be nice and showed his worth tonight, I just put Sparrow in there because he'll be stuck behind Trac, Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes for inside mid opportunity for the next 5-10 years, he's an SA boy and adelaide could use him.

Viney must stay it would be a terrible loss like losing Junior back in the day. Trade Harmes it will give Sparrow and Jordon more of a chance to break into the middle. My preferred gets in the trade would be 

1 - Tom Papley will work beautifully with Kossie. An added 40 goals a season would be great. I've already said how I would trade for him.

2 - Williams - Has the speed we need to play him on the wing but his asking price would be too much and I'd prefer Papley.

3 - Philips - I wonder if the Pies will take a second rounder for him?

Papley and Philips on the wing will be all we need to vy for the premiership. 

DELIST

Hunt

Hannan

OMac

Smith

CWagner

JWagner

RETIRE
Jones

Kolodjashnij

TRADE/Never play in the seniors again

ANB

vandenberg

Baker (poor mans hunt)

Brayshaw - has currency (hello freo) and allows changes to our 1 dimensional midfield (could be harmes)

TARGETS

Zac Williams -FA desperately need run and kicking

Witherden - couldn't crack brisbane's side until recently has elite disposal

2 metre Peter Wright - also cant get a game and could be an elite goal square player for us

Cockatoo - we've fixed Bennell why couldn't we do the same here, elite pressure forward when fit

Cedric Cox - cant crack a brisbane side too but has potential as a small forward would come cheaply

Cumming - looked the goods pre season at GWS lots of competition for places they probably let him walk

Papley - probably too expensive

 

2021 List

Key Defenders: May, Lever, Hore, Petty, T McDonald

General Def: Lockhart, Hibberd, Jetta, Rivers, Salem, Neitschke (A?), Witherden/Cumming, Williams

Midfielders: Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Harmes, Sparrow, Jordon, Langdon, Tomlinson, Dunkley (A)

Rucks: Gawn, Preuss/merry-go-round (CCJ?), Jackson, Bradkte (B)

General Fwd: Fritsch, Melksham, Bedford, Pickett, Bennell, Spargo, Chandler (A), Cox/Cockatoo

Key Forwards: Weideman, Wright, Brown (A)

=37 players pre draft

id also give isaac smith a year or two if hawthorn moved him on 

I'd be calling Tom Hawkins and offering him a deal/transition into coaching. it would help the development of Weideman, improve our best 22, provide another tall target and provide some on field experience/leadership especially if we as we're hoping push for a flag in the next 2-3 seasons. 

I'm less worried about our lack of pace than i am about our lack of polish so i'd be looking for really good ball users who can't quite crack a game at their clubs. 

I can't see us getting a big fish this year unfortunately but we may be able to find some more than handy role players to add some icing to the cake. 

Tom Papley would be a really great additon if the Swans are still keen on TMAC maybe we can work out a package, but i think it's unlikely 

Needs: Replacements for Nev and Hibbo. Another winger. Two more skillful flankers.

Out: Jones and Jetta to retire. KK delisted, the Wagners. Need to work out whether Bradke is going to make it. Decide also between Hore and Smith. 

 


Necessity: Winger with pace & good skills, another Pickett-esque small forward 
Possibility: Young key defender
Reality: Ollie Wines on a wing

Edited by adonski

everything comes down to how tight, or otherwise, our salary cap is, plus what list sizes are mandated in 2021

i would hope we're keen as mustard on zac williams and - more importantly - he wants to come to us; i'd go for him over papley as he shouldn't cost us anything as a free agent, plus like everyone i just assume the blues will get the deal done for papley this off-season

i am very keen on rory laird and to see what else of decent quality could be poached out of adelaide for that hawthorn second rounder - i agree that there's no way that crows will want just that if laird does elect to leave

i don't want either crouch bro and doubt the crows would be interested in brayshaw; you'd think it'd be the likes of the peptides, carlton and freo who'd be the most interested in him - if you could find a way to leverage that brayshaw effectively came to us for laird, i'd probably do that if we couldn't land williams for free; if you get him, i'd ideally like to keep brayshaw as it gets us inside mid depth

it'll be curious to see what value, if any, preuss has ahead of 2021 - only really the swans will need a starting ruckman, which he really should be, but i doubt anyone will offer much for him

i'd be very disappointed if viney left

3 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Needs: Replacements for Nev and Hibbo. Another winger. Two more skillful flankers.

Out: Jones and Jetta to retire. KK delisted, the Wagners. Need to work out whether Bradke is going to make it. Decide also between Hore and Smith. 

 

We have replacements for Nev and Hibbo that's Lockhart and Rivers. We need another winger that can be Phillips and you forgot to mention another small forward which would be Papley.

4 hours ago, Turner said:

DELIST

Hunt

Hannan

OMac

Smith

CWagner

JWagner

RETIRE
Jones

Kolodjashnij

TRADE/Never play in the seniors again

ANB

vandenberg

Baker (poor mans hunt)

Brayshaw - has currency (hello freo) and allows changes to our 1 dimensional midfield (could be harmes)

TARGETS

Zac Williams -FA desperately need run and kicking

Witherden - couldn't crack brisbane's side until recently has elite disposal

2 metre Peter Wright - also cant get a game and could be an elite goal square player for us

Cockatoo - we've fixed Bennell why couldn't we do the same here, elite pressure forward when fit

Cedric Cox - cant crack a brisbane side too but has potential as a small forward would come cheaply

Cumming - looked the goods pre season at GWS lots of competition for places they probably let him walk

Papley - probably too expensive

 

2021 List

Key Defenders: May, Lever, Hore, Petty, T McDonald

General Def: Lockhart, Hibberd, Jetta, Rivers, Salem, Neitschke (A?), Witherden/Cumming, Williams

Midfielders: Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Harmes, Sparrow, Jordon, Langdon, Tomlinson, Dunkley (A)

Rucks: Gawn, Preuss/merry-go-round (CCJ?), Jackson, Bradkte (B)

General Fwd: Fritsch, Melksham, Bedford, Pickett, Bennell, Spargo, Chandler (A), Cox/Cockatoo

Key Forwards: Weideman, Wright, Brown (A)

=37 players pre draft

The targets are all reserves players except Williams we need senior players like Papley and Phillips.

On 8/10/2020 at 7:43 PM, big_red_fire_engine said:

We still lack outside polish and another pressure forward. They can be found later in the draft or hopefully with astute trades for players lacking opportunity/go home factor. I cant see us going big at a name even if we had the picks to offer.  

Good point snd we don't need another ruck We already have Preuss languishing !

Jacko  also is clearly a ruck / ruck rover type of 200 games in the NicNat mould ( Relook at Tracs running goal just prior to 3:4 time and see who  was running along side in the frame and could have been involved if Trac wasn't. This from an 18 yo in his first season snd initial major game without Maxy he has the energy and footy nous to be present shows his footy brain and energy are elite) We have a fine competitor and smart handballer who is in addition to our rapidly developing on ball brigade who by this time next year if handled and mixed astutely ( see other threads about this from other D/Lers ) May  well be the best in the AFL.

A KPF or KPB to support Petty as a key and Oscar As depth and our current spine is necessary Plus a clever smart runner on the outside who uses the ball well will offer extra  support fir our hybrids in Hannan Melky and the best we have in Fritsch plus Kossie Bedford and Chandler plus a resurgent Charlie Spargo who looks stronger more skilled and resilient than the 2018 version. The benefit of pre seasons and development!!

Of course we would not say NO to any A grader or B+  who wished to join us or we persuade to play at the Dees in 2021.

Interesting time and the AFL conditions will play a very useful part.

Our  North  trade also looks amuch better trade than we could have hoped for last year or even earlier this season.

Over to JT again! 

 

 


2 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

The targets are all reserves players except Williams we need senior players like Papley and Phillips.

Obvious No no's 

PETTY both a forward snd defender 

AVB still contracted

O MAC is contracted and ANGUS is the differential player in our mid field so why delist Or move him ? (Just needs better managing of our Fab 4 with resting forward and benching ) Neither  of these 2 will be moved on, Nor should they be.
 

Agree with most other delisting and retirement  maybe Smith still as a forward !!

All the Wishlist is fine but Zach Williams  and Papley are the pick one a chance and the other prob not.

Some astute trading could be the order of the day. Witherndun has again back in Lions defence and won't be on the market I wouldn't think. Lockhart could easily be as good in his third year !!

Others are unproven atAFL level but at least would come cheaply. Cockatoo  not really a chance I wouldn't think from Cats.

Any Kangas or Crows gettable in the 24/27 year and about 100/150  game category? 

Interesting but KP player F or B and smart running elite disposer of ball would be good through trade or draft. 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, 58er said:

Obvious No no's 

PETTY both a forward snd defender 

AVB still contracted

O MAC is contracted and ANGUS is the differential player in our mid field so why delist Or move him ? (Just needs better managing of our Fab 4 with resting forward and benching ) Neither  of these 2 will be moved on, Nor should they be.
 

Agree with most other delisting and retirement  maybe Smith still as a forward !!

All the Wishlist is fine but Zach Williams  and Papley are the pick one a chance and the other prob not.

Some astute trading could be the order of the day. Witherndun has again back in Lions defence and won't be on the market I wouldn't think. Lockhart could easily be as good in his third year !!

Others are unproven atAFL level but at least would come cheaply. Cockatoo  not really a chance I wouldn't think from Cats.

Any Kangas or Crows gettable in the 24/27 year and about 100/150  game category? 

Interesting but KP player F or B and smart running elite disposer of ball would be good through trade or draft. 

 

 

 

If Oscar is contracted we must keep him then. I doubt we would get any trade value for him. Do we have a list of who is uncontracted?

7 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

If Oscar is contracted we must keep him then. I doubt we would get any trade value for him. Do we have a list of who is uncontracted?

I think it is listed in one of the threads around trade time or thereafter listing out full list Sorry can't remember which thread maybe Demonland May help.

 
6 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

We have replacements for Nev and Hibbo that's Lockhart and Rivers. We need another winger that can be Phillips and you forgot to mention another small forward which would be Papley.

Lockhart is 25 next year. Draft another and he'll be ready in two/three years.

Papley will cost too much. Easily a first rounder and some. 

 


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • GAMEDAY: Essendon

    It’s Game Day, and the Demons are staring down the barrel of an 0-5 start for the first time since 2012 as they take on Essendon at Adelaide Oval for Gather Round. In that forgettable season, Melbourne finally broke their drought by toppling the Bombers. Can lightning strike twice? Will the Dees turn their nightmare start around and breathe life back into 2025?

      • Clap
      • Like
    • 115 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Essendon

    As the focus of the AFL moves exclusively to South Australia for Gather Round, the question is raised as to what are we going to get from the  Melbourne Football Club this weekend? Will it be a repeat of the slop fest of the last three weeks that have seen the team score a measly 174 points and concede 310 or will a return to the City of Churches and the scene where they performed at their best in 2024 act as a wakeup call and bring them out of their early season reverie?  Or will the sleepy Dees treat their fans to a reenactment of their lazy effort from the first Gather Round of two years ago when they allowed the Bombers to trample all over them on a soggy and wet Adelaide Oval? The two examples from above tell us how fickle form can be in football. Last year, a committed group of players turned up in Adelaide with a businesslike mindset. They had a plan, went in confidently and hard for the football and kicked winning scores against both home teams in a difficult environment for visitors. And they repeated that sort of effort later in the season when they played Essendon at the MCG.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Essendon

    Facing the very real and daunting prospect of starting the season with five straight losses, the Demons head to South Australia for the annual Gather Round, where they’ll take on the Bombers in search of their first win of the year. Who comes in, and who comes out?

      • Shocked
      • Like
    • 489 replies
    Demonland
  • NON-MFC: Round 05

    Gather Round is here, kicking off with a Thursday night blockbuster as Adelaide faces Geelong. The Crows will be out for redemption after a controversial loss last week. Saturday starts with the Magpies taking on the Swans. Collingwood will be eager to cement their spot in the top eight, while Sydney is hot on their heels. In the Barossa Valley, two rising sides go head-to-head in a fascinating battle to prove they're the real deal. Later, Carlton and West Coast face off at Adelaide Oval, both desperate to notch their first win of the season. The action then shifts to Norwood, where the undefeated Lions will aim to keep their streak alive against the Bulldogs. Sunday’s games begin in the Barossa with Richmond up against Fremantle. In Norwood, the Saints will be looking to take a scalp when they come up against the Giants. The round concludes with a fiery rematch of last year's semi-final, as the Hawks seek revenge for their narrow loss to Port Adelaide. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

    • 236 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Geelong

    There was a time in the second quarter of the game at the Cattery on Friday afternoon when the Casey Demons threatened to take the game apart against the Cats. The Demons had been well on top early but were struggling to convert their ascendancy over the ground until Tom Fullarton’s burst of three goals in the space of eight minutes on the way to a five goal haul and his best game for the club since arriving from Brisbane at the end of 2023. He was leading, marking and otherwise giving his opponents a merry dance as Casey grabbed a three goal lead in the blink of an eye. Fullarton has now kicked ten goals in Casey’s three matches and, with Melbourne’s forward conversion woes, he is definitely in with a chance to get his first game with the club in next week’s Gather Round in Adelaide. Despite the tall forward’s efforts - he finished with 19 disposals and eight marks and had four hit outs as back up to Will Verrall in the second half - it wasn’t enough as Geelong reigned in the lead through persistent attacks and eventually clawed their way to the lead early in the last and held it till they achieved the end aim of victory.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Geelong

    I was disappointed to hear Goody say at his post match presser after the team’s 39 point defeat against Geelong that "we're getting high quality entry, just poor execution" because Melbourne’s problems extend far beyond that after its 0 - 4 start to the 2025 football season. There are clearly problems with poor execution, some of which were evident well before the current season and were in play when the Demons met the Cats in early May last year and beat them in a near top-of-the-table clash that saw both sides sitting comfortably in the top four after round eight. Since that game, the Demons’ performances have been positively Third World with only five wins in 19 games with a no longer majestic midfield and a dysfunctional forward line that has become too easy for opposing coaches to counter. This is an area of their game that is currently being played out as if they were all completely panic-stricken.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland