Jack Viney Restricted Free Agent

[Nasher 33,607]

Viney is a player with his flaws, but you are completely deluded if you think we’re better off without him or with a second round lottery ticket/draft pick and starting from scratch with an 18 year old. Of course we re-sign him.

It’s only the remotest possibility that he gets an offer elsewhere that is hugely in excess of ours AND he indicates he wants to go. I expect there will be enough good will on both parties’ behalf that an agreement will be reached quickly. If that remote possibility did come to pass then we deal with it then, but all the planning now should be around re-signing him.

[spirit of norm smith 16,195]

Only club who would want Viney is the Crows. 
I firmly believe we need to retain Viney. There is no magic in trade picks as shown by many clubs over many years. The Blues and Dees and Suns have had countless top picks and 1st rounders yet go nowhere. You need to teach players and improve year on year. Viney has huge pluses that simply don’t get found easily. In round 1, he was clearly our best player. Like Oliver, his disposal and decisions need coaching. Coaching. You don’t simply trade away former skippers, current leaders. You invest and show that the club is loyal and values its players. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

13 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

However, our current midfield isn’t working and one of Viney, Oliver, Harmes, Petracca or Brayshaw needs to be traded (or released to free agency in Viney’s case) to get back into the draft.

This is the main part I agree with.  I don't agree with trading Viney, but we need to do something a little different in our midfield.

I think Goodwin has at least tried to do something, and in one instance it has worked - Trac playing more midfield minutes has been the perfect move.  However, as we all know, we're a little one dimensional in there at the minute and it hurts a bit.  I think the move of Harmes to half back had merit, but it didn't really work.  At least he had a crack at changing things up.

To me, we can only have two at most of Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes and Oliver running through the midfield, especially at centre bounces.  Does Goodwin look to change it up further - does he throw Salem in there?  Does he give someone like Kozzie Pickett five minutes a term in there to spice things up?  I think we have options, but we don't need to pull trades for no reason to make it happen.  I'd even try Melksham in there to freshen him up - why not go Oliver, Melksham and Trac with Gawn at the first centre bounce?

Either way, I'm against trading Viney as I don't think it's the answer.

[old dee 23,695]

9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

This is the main part I agree with.  I don't agree with trading Viney, but we need to do something a little different in our midfield.

I think Goodwin has at least tried to do something, and in one instance it has worked - Trac playing more midfield minutes has been the perfect move.  However, as we all know, we're a little one dimensional in there at the minute and it hurts a bit.  I think the move of Harmes to half back had merit, but it didn't really work.  At least he had a crack at changing things up.

To me, we can only have two at most of Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes and Oliver running through the midfield, especially at centre bounces.  Does Goodwin look to change it up further - does he throw Salem in there?  Does he give someone like Kozzie Pickett five minutes a term in there to spice things up?  I think we have options, but we don't need to pull trades for no reason to make it happen.  I'd even try Melksham in there to freshen him up - why not go Oliver, Melksham and Trac with Gawn at the first centre bounce?

Either way, I'm against trading Viney as I don't think it's the answer.

We desperately need KPF if a club came to you and said we will trade Brayshaw for a good one would you do it?

[Redleg 40,776]

20 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Viney is a player with his flaws, but you are completely deluded if you think we’re better off without him or with a second round lottery ticket/draft pick and starting from scratch with an 18 year old. Of course we re-sign him.

It’s only the remotest possibility that he gets an offer elsewhere that is hugely in excess of ours AND he indicates he wants to go. I expect there will be enough good will on both parties’ behalf that an agreement will be reached quickly. If that remote possibility did come to pass then we deal with it then, but all the planning now should be around re-signing him.

While his disposal was abysmal last week, I remember who was our best player in round 1 in Perth and who helped get us into a Prelim in 18. Agree he won’t be going anywhere but needs to be coached into giving off the easy option and not trying to always go deep.

[old dee 23,695]

I think what many of forget ( me included) is that footballers have bad days and all make mistakes on a regular basis. It just seems we have a large number doing it regularly at present.

[whatwhat say what 22,571]

34 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Only club who would want Viney is the Crows. 
I firmly believe we need to retain Viney. There is no magic in trade picks as shown by many clubs over many years. The Blues and Dees and Suns have had countless top picks and 1st rounders yet go nowhere. You need to teach players and improve year on year. Viney has huge pluses that simply don’t get found easily. In round 1, he was clearly our best player. Like Oliver, his disposal and decisions need coaching. Coaching. You don’t simply trade away former skippers, current leaders. You invest and show that the club is loyal and values its players. 

No fear 

In an ideal world they’d get rid of both Crouch bro’s if they could 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

30 minutes ago, old dee said:

We desperately need KPF if a club came to you and said we will trade Brayshaw for a good one would you do it?

Thank you where do i sign?  They would probably want more though

[Wiseblood 24,637]

32 minutes ago, old dee said:

We desperately need KPF if a club came to you and said we will trade Brayshaw for a good one would you do it?

Right now, which club is this? Would the Suns or Saints trade a King for Gus? No chance in hell. 

Name the tall forward who is gettable for a Gus or even a Viney. I'm interested to see who you think is gettable. 

[old dee 23,695]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Right now, which club is this? Would the Suns or Saints trade a King for Gus? No chance in hell. 

Name the tall forward who is gettable for a Gus or even a Viney. I'm interested to see who you think is gettable. 

I am just talking about the principle would you trade Gus for  a good KPF?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

We desperately need KPF if a club came to you and said we will trade Brayshaw for a good one would you do it?

Fogarty or Larkey spring to mind, but would rather chase the free agent options this year.

 

[Nasher 33,607]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

We desperately need KPF if a club came to you and said we will trade Brayshaw for a good one would you do it?

Why would any club just randomly offer up a good KPF when they are so hard to come by? It’s easy to put up random what ifs but they’re rarely realistic. People seem to forget to take their Demons scarf off and that the trade needs to be suitable for both parties.

[whatwhat say what 22,571]

if you look at who the big key forwards are in the competition it's either a) high first round draft picks or b) father-son / academy selections

they don't grow on trees

[deebug 1,754]

Jack will be fine, don't forget he is expecting the birth of his first baby, which should be arriving in the next few weeks.?

So i think after our new little member comes into the world, Jack will be back.

[spirit of norm smith 16,195]

His tackling is A grade. Wrapped up players 4 or 5 times. His kick to Petracca for our first goal was excellent.  Needs to get his decision making quicker but better this week 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Hats off to Jack tonight.

Credit where credit is due.

[JTR 2,846]

Yep he was very good tonight.  Loved seeing him lower his eyes and look for some better options.

[Little Richard 6,245]

2 hours ago, deebug said:

Jack will be fine, don't forget he is expecting the birth of his first baby, which should be arriving in the next few weeks.?

So i think after our new little member comes into the world, Jack will be back.

Baby arrived last week I believe.

Jack was outstanding tonight, even with Oliver in the guts Jacks hardness and second efforts are unique. We should hold onto him and if it comes to it, entertain the idea of trading Brayshaw.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Showed a new level of maturity with his delivery forward, reckon we saw him genuinely become a real leader tonight.

 

[old dee 23,695]

3 hours ago, Nasher said:

Why would any club just randomly offer up a good KPF when they are so hard to come by? It’s easy to put up random what ifs but they’re rarely realistic. People seem to forget to take their Demons scarf off and that the trade needs to be suitable for both parties.

I am just asking would you exchange a good in and under mid for KPF? Well would you?

[Elegt 872]

Untradeable IMO. Bloke regularly makes you tear your hair out but he is heart and soul and doesn't shy away from contact. Harmes and gus are trade bait

[dazzledavey36 54,098]

Thsts the Jack Viney we know.

[Nasher 33,607]

17 hours ago, old dee said:

I am just talking about the principle would you trade Gus for  a good KPF?

I guess if the hypothetical question isn’t bound by realism, I suppose I’d begrudgingly give up Brayshaw for Tom Lynch of the Tiges, so long as they threw in Dusty as a sweetener.

Obviously I’m being smart with that answer, but I think it’s an irrelevant because it’s never going to come up as a possibility. The only time an actually good KPF is ever going to come up is if they want to leave their current club, in which case we won’t have to give up a first choice midfielder to get him.

[Rednblueriseing 824]

11 hours ago, Elegt said:

Untradeable IMO. Bloke regularly makes you tear your hair out but he is heart and soul and doesn't shy away from contact. Harmes and gus are trade bait

I love JV but trading Harmes or Gus is not the answer, this is an area of the field we have A grade depth you don't trade that away, with a couple injuries we will be in trouble 

[old dee 23,695]

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

I guess if the hypothetical question isn’t bound by realism, I suppose I’d begrudgingly give up Brayshaw for Tom Lynch of the Tiges, so long as they threw in Dusty as a sweetener.

Obviously I’m being smart with that answer, but I think it’s an irrelevant because it’s never going to come up as a possibility. The only time an actually good KPF is ever going to come up is if they want to leave their current club, in which case we won’t have to give up a first choice midfielder to get him.

But we currently have nothing to offer as we gave away our first pick for this year and it might go we give up a mid for a first round pick which is on traded for a KPF. Yes I know it is not liable to happen but we need another KPF and to get one you usually have to give something be it a player and or a draft pick. So would you trade a mid for a KPF? 

Edited July 12, 2020 by old dee