Closer to the end

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,687]

Glad I didn't open this thread until today (Monday). If I'd opened it yesterday I would have been miserable and despondent sucked into the vortex of another gloomy Sunday. Or worse, this Gloomy Sunday 

I would hope the club responds in two ways. First, the current coach and team have to recognise where the deficiencies are and try to do something about it. 

Secondly , because I suspect the current coach and team won't be able to do the above (because they've been trying for 18 months without success), I hope the club commits to one of those "root and branch reviews" that look at all aspects of the club's performance and adjusts accordingly. It doesn't necessarily mean Goodwin has to be replaced. It also doesn't guarantee his job is safe, either.

But one simple question that could be looked at is this. Is there a correlation between the high number of inside 50s, the low conversion rate into scores and the lack of an identified forwards coach? (Or do we have a forwards coach but refrain from naming him on the club's list of coaches on our website?)

[old dee 23,763]

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Glad I didn't open this thread until today (Monday). If I'd opened it yesterday I would have been miserable and despondent sucked into the vortex of another gloomy Sunday. Or worse, this Gloomy Sunday 

I would hope the club responds in two ways. First, the current coach and team have to recognise where the deficiencies are and try to do something about it. 

Secondly , because I suspect the current coach and team won't be able to do the above (because they've been trying for 18 months without success), I hope the club commits to one of those "root and branch reviews" that look at all aspects of the club's performance and adjusts accordingly. It doesn't necessarily mean Goodwin has to be replaced. It also doesn't guarantee his job is safe, either.

But one simple question that could be looked at is this. Is there a correlation between the high number of inside 50s, the low conversion rate into scores and the lack of an identified forwards coach? (Or do we have a forwards coach but refrain from naming him on the club's list of coaches on our website?)

There is not really an alternative to what you propose.  To do anything else would  be effectively saying we have no idea what to do next. I am crushed by this year I really thought that with our injuries fixed we would be a lot better than 2019. Just improve or disband. The later would at least give me peace Where are our silent leaders? 

[sue 9,096]

10 minutes ago, old dee said:

There is not really an alternative to what you propose.  To do anything else would  be effectively saying we have no idea what to do next. I am crushed by this year I really thought that with our injuries fixed we would be a lot better than 2019. Just improve or disband. The later would at least give me peace Where are our silent leaders? 

I doubt it. I think it would lead to a big hole in your life.    The club will improve as it has from time to time, but it may never do better than making up the numbers and the odd final series.  Sad to say I could live with that.  Cue posters saying my attitude is the cause of our status.  Cue me saying balderdash - I have no influence. 

(Cancelling membership would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.  Would just lead to your disband option.)

[old dee 23,763]

19 minutes ago, sue said:

I doubt it. I think it would lead to a big hole in your life.    The club will improve as it has from time to time, but it may never do better than making up the numbers and the odd final series.  Sad to say I could live with that.  Cue posters saying my attitude is the cause of our status.  Cue me saying balderdash - I have no influence. 

(Cancelling membership would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.  Would just lead to your disband option.)

Believe me  in the medium term  I would be far better off. And by medium I mean after a few weeks. 

[Adam The God 30,112]

1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

We have no one at our club who has a passion for it. 

WCE- Nisbett

WB- Gordon

Port- Koch

Freo-  Bell

Ess- D'doro

Rich- Gale,Balme.

Please feel free to add others from other clubs.

etc etc etc....

MFC- Bartlett, Pert, Mahoney, Goodwin

Not one bit of MFC blood anywhere to be found.  That's why we have no culture other clubs have past players floating around and passing it on eg. Rohan smith, Sam Mitchell, Chad Cornes etc

We've got [censored] know one.

One of these positions should be held by someone with MFC blood.

 

 

We've tried that before and chose incorrectly and got the old boys club mentality.

I don't care about MFC blood as long as the incumbents are good at their jobs. And that last bit is now questionable.

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

I often wonder what the process of switching club-allegiance would be like. Overwhelmingly, I think it would be kinda bollocks. A big part of the thrill of winning is factoring in all of the low points and feeling like you were on some kind of journey. So I never really consider it. Also it’s viewed with contempt from other followers of the club, and game itself. After 45 years though, I wonder again.....

Anyway, I think we should start a petition instead of, or rather in addition to, climbing into the warm bath of Demonland with a packet of razor blades. 
 

Not to sack Goodwin, mind you. I don’t think that would be taken seriously. Just viewed as reactionary and churlish. But to say that if Goodwin brings the club in bottom five at season’s end, the following signatories will not be renewing their membership without the announcing of his sacking during finals. 

Edited July 6, 2020 by Mel Bourne

[old dee 23,763]

5 minutes ago, A F said:

We've tried that before and chose incorrectly and got the old boys club mentality.

I don't care about MFC blood as long as the incumbents are good at their jobs. And that last bit is now questionable.

Agree 100% it is there ability that matters.

[Lord John 26]

It's hard to be an object of pity, ('bad luck mate good try") My wife ("It's only a game dear"). Even before it started Richmond players were laughing and joking, confident of an easy win. After sixty odd years of supporting the club, sadly it seems we have truly become irrelevant. `

[Diamond_Jim 12,526]

17 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I often wonder what the process of switching club-allegiance would be like. Overwhelmingly, I think it would be kinda bollocks. A big part of the thrill of winning is factoring in all of the low points and feeling like you were on some kind of journey. So I never really consider it. Also it’s viewed with contempt from other followers of the club, and game itself. After 45 years though, I wonder again.....

Anyway, I think we should start a petition instead of, or rather in addition to, climbing into the warm bath of Demonland with a packet of razor blades. 
 

Not to sack Goodwin, mind you. I don’t think that would be taken seriously. Just viewed as reactionary and churlish. But to say that if Goodwin brings the club in bottom five at season’s end, the following signatories will not be renewing their membership without the announcing of his sacking during finals. 

I always have a second team in which I take an interest. At the moment it's the Giants. Over the years it has included Collingwood,  North and the Eagles. The team has to be exciting and offer a genuine premiership chance.

While it doesn't help with dealing with the frustration of being an MFC supporter it enables me to maintain an interest in AFL when our season comes to an early end ...which is often

Edited July 6, 2020 by Diamond_Jim

[sue 9,096]

2 minutes ago, Lord John said:

It's hard to be an object of pity, ('bad luck mate good try") My wife ("It's only a game dear"). Even before it started Richmond players were laughing and joking, confident of an easy win. After sixty odd years of supporting the club, sadly it seems we have truly become irrelevant. `

Come on. Richmond have an 'enforced' policy of appearing jokey before games.  Anyway after their recent previous performances they would be unlikely to take any team lightly. There are lot os reasons for kicking us, but let's not look for evidence beyond the bleedingly obvious.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

20 hours ago, Buzzy said:

I've got to a horrible point in my life where I want them to lose by a lot, as there isn't any other way to get change in the club than by truly bottoming out.

The lack of leadership in this team and in the box is staggering.  Nobody wants to stand up and make a real statement.

The worst thing is that no matter how good our effort is, we are still going to be undone by our lack of skill.  That's why I feel like this crop is in a hopeless situation.  Any returns we get are not sustainable with this mix of players. 

There's going to be another 5-8 years of this for sure.  Yuck.

 

I wouldn't say nobody wants to stand up.

I think Max, Tracc, Clarry (if he would clean up his disposal act and burst from congestion a little) May, Hannan and a few others give a yelp but the fight pretty much drops off a cliff from there.

Viney and Gus as well but unfortunately both are deestroyers of the air conveyance.  T-Mac tries his guts out but looks overweight and limited mobility now compared to 2018.

We are also missing Marty Hore (in form) down back in place of a Lockhart or Smith for some extra run, intercept marking and decent finish too imo.

[Cards13 9,117]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Glad I didn't open this thread until today (Monday). If I'd opened it yesterday I would have been miserable and despondent sucked into the vortex of another gloomy Sunday. Or worse, this Gloomy Sunday 

I would hope the club responds in two ways. First, the current coach and team have to recognise where the deficiencies are and try to do something about it. 

Secondly , because I suspect the current coach and team won't be able to do the above (because they've been trying for 18 months without success), I hope the club commits to one of those "root and branch reviews" that look at all aspects of the club's performance and adjusts accordingly. It doesn't necessarily mean Goodwin has to be replaced. It also doesn't guarantee his job is safe, either.

But one simple question that could be looked at is this. Is there a correlation between the high number of inside 50s, the low conversion rate into scores and the lack of an identified forwards coach? (Or do we have a forwards coach but refrain from naming him on the club's list of coaches on our website?)

They did that, last year!!!! They came up with Goody needs more experience around him so let’s get Richardson... 

[old dee 23,763]

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

They did that, last year!!!! They came up with Goody needs more experience around him so let’s get Richardson... 

They bought in another NQR.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

2 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

They did that, last year!!!! They came up with Goody needs more experience around him so let’s get Richardson... 

As recently as three or four weeks ago there was a story of Richo saying Goody is so do niot think he is doing his role without fear or favour. The Hardwick turn around a lot here talk about was dependant on Hardwick being told and listening to some hard truths.

[—coach— 3,496]

55 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I often wonder what the process of switching club-allegiance would be like. Overwhelmingly, I think it would be kinda bollocks. A big part of the thrill of winning is factoring in all of the low points and feeling like you were on some kind of journey. So I never really consider it. Also it’s viewed with contempt from other followers of the club, and game itself. After 45 years though, I wonder again.....

Anyway, I think we should start a petition instead of, or rather in addition to, climbing into the warm bath of Demonland with a packet of razor blades. 
 

Not to sack Goodwin, mind you. I don’t think that would be taken seriously. Just viewed as reactionary and churlish. But to say that if Goodwin brings the club in bottom five at season’s end, the following signatories will not be renewing their membership without the announcing of his sacking during finals. 

I reckon one could not so much switch allegiances, rather just follow (not support or barrack) the team that currently plays a style that you personally like/admire. For example, while I hate Hawks and Cats, there have been many times in the past that you could sit and watch them play and (if not playing Melbourne) really enjoy the game of footy.

much like watching dunstall, Ablett snr, lockett and duck in days gone by, you always hated playing against them, but jeez it was fun to watch them beat up on some other poor unfortunate team.

[old dee 23,763]

5 minutes ago, —coach— said:

I reckon one could not so much switch allegiances, rather just follow (not support or barrack) the team that currently plays a style that you personally like/admire. For example, while I hate Hawks and Cats, there have been many times in the past that you could sit and watch them play and (if not playing Melbourne) really enjoy the game of footy.

much like watching dunstall, Ablett snr, lockett and duck in days gone by, you always hated playing against them, but jeez it was fun to watch them beat up on some other poor unfortunate team.

No Dees no AFL for me the game in total is now terrible to watch.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,221]

35 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I wouldn't say nobody wants to stand up.

I think Max, Tracc, Clarry (if he would clean up his disposal act and burst from congestion a little) May, Hannan and a few others give a yelp but the fight pretty much drops off a cliff from there.

Viney and Gus as well but unfortunately both are deestroyers of the air conveyance.  T-Mac tries his guts out but looks overweight and limited mobility now compared to 2018.

We are also missing Marty Hore (in form) down back in place of a Lockhart or Smith for some extra run, intercept marking and decent finish too imo.

Marty Hore is injured ...  4 - 6 I believe.

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

I’m so down right now. I really thought 2019 was an aberration. I thought with Burgess and a fit list we would rip it up. I’m so delusional, I think I need to take a break. There must be a serious rot in this club somewhere. That is a seriously talented list and it is completely broken.

Something has to change this is just too hard.

[old dee 23,763]

1 minute ago, FlashInThePan said:

I’m so down right now. I really thought 2019 was an aberration. I thought with Burgess and a fit list we would rip it up. I’m so delusional, I think I need to take a break. There must be a serious rot in this club somewhere. That is a seriously talented list and it is completely broken.

Something has to change this is just too hard.

You are not alone. Take a break from the M FC there are lots of more important things in life.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,813]

21 hours ago, bingers said:

The Club would be attracting very few new supporters. Why would any person choose to support MFC other than for family type reasons? And even then, some kids may refuse to support MFC because of the team's longstanding lack of success. 

The Club is a laughing stock.

How many supporters, let alone members, will the Club have in 10-20 years time? I suspect that a high proportion of supporters/members are oldies like me. We may have dropped off the perch by then. Or be in nursing homes.

I started following the Dees in 1968. Zero success until the John Northey years. And that success was limited. There were a few years where the Club could have pinched a flag, but sadly it didn't happen.

I am a cheerful soul. I'm not angry, just slightly wistful. I am so jealous of Bulldogs' fans who saw their time just pinch a flag along the way. Something I'll never see. 

Excuse these ramblings... 

 

This is my story.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,813]

20 hours ago, Hampton 22 said:

The best ruckman in the league, two of the best on-ballers and the most expensive backline, and this is what the coaching staff deliver. 

This 101%.

[Adam The God 30,112]

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

But one simple question that could be looked at is this. Is there a correlation between the high number of inside 50s, the low conversion rate into scores and the lack of an identified forwards coach? (Or do we have a forwards coach but refrain from naming him on the club's list of coaches on our website?)

We had a forward coach last year (Rooke in the first part of the season and Rawlings in the second half) and neither fixed the connection issue between mids and forwards.

Part of it is the way the overall team (mostly from the midfield and backs) is being coached to play fast and/or simply long. The other part of it is the lack of a decent forward coach and how this impacts on the forwards' learnings. But I think there must be a forward coach this year, because they all break off in line groups at the breaks.

Edited July 6, 2020 by A F

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

30 minutes ago, bingers said:

Marty Hore is injured ...  4 - 6 I believe.

Yes thats correct bingers.  He is young and going to have some off games but he really tore it up on a few occasions last season.  Looking forward to his return although this season might be a right off regardless.

Frrom some of the interviews i've heard with past players, interrupted pre-seasons usually end up in poor or average outcomes on the field when returning mid season.  Then there's the no Casey factor also.

[P-man 13,366]

It’s unsettling to actually envisage the club going under. If these performances drag out for the rest of the year, to say it wouldn’t be good is a gross understatement.

To think that Roos and PJ got the club on track in a matter of three years, handed over a list primed for success, and a Prelim embarrassment was as good as it got.

I’m still [censored] off about the weekend and where the club is at. We should be so much better than this crap. I’m irrationally angry at Goodwin himself.

Like others, I think I need a break from this abusive relationship.

[Sargent Shultz 267]

23 hours ago, praha said:

Our lowest ebb in my time supporting (30 years now) is easily the end of the Bailey and start of the Neeld era. We are not there yet but the wheels look very close to falling off.

When we lost to Hawthorn in round 3 two years ago, it seemed then that something was amiss. We got bullied and destroyed that day. I know it's small in the grander scheme of things, and we ultimately had a strong year, but something about that game stands out for me. Along with Round 23 2017. What we've seen last year and to start this year seem to be the long term effects of those specific matches. Again, I know they are isolated matches in a large data set, but we got an early look in at what the absolute worst of this team looks like.

I'd argue we haven't "regressed". We have regressed from a peak in 2018, sure, but I think that realistically, we are seeing the true reality of this coach and team. 

Last year the argument was if 2018 was the anomaly. It most definitely was.

For me the difference between the Neeld era and the Goodwin  era is that Goodwin has some seriously good players- they both IMO simply can’t coach. It now appears that Goodwin tinkered with Paul,Roos method which was fine before the rule changes ( 6,6,6 etc) It concerns me greatly that Goodwin likes to frequent the Sorrento Pub over summer with “the boys” and punt and drink with them.There must be a separation between a leader and those he/she leads. You simply can’t just be a mate. They are playing like a suburban club- perhaps he has found the Sorrento Footy clubs game plan?