22 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Purely from the two way running and defensive capabilities, the game has moved on

 

It's one of the reasons Tommy is struggling at the moment.

If he doesn't hold his grabs he's not giving us value...

Talls need to have some agility.

reckon most players from the past would find ways to adapt to the modern game

they were the best in the country playing in 12 team competitions; as if they wouldn't be in the best in the 18-team one we have now

19 minutes ago, rjay said:

It's one of the reasons Tommy is struggling at the moment.

If he doesn't hold his grabs he's not giving us value...

Talls need to have some agility.

The coach seems to think he is doing his role, only one that matters really

It's only on here that the notion he is struggling appears

Demonland needs a weekly target to lock onto, otherwise there is no opportunity for some posters to contribute, as they thrive on negativity

45 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

reckon most players from the past would find ways to adapt to the modern game

they were the best in the country playing in 12 team competitions; as if they wouldn't be in the best in the 18-team one we have now

Of course. The same is true of any sport.

The key common denominator of those who make it in elite sport is not talent. Every sport is chock full of talented players at lower levels. Of course any player/competitor/athlete making to the elite level of any sport are insanely talented.

But what marks out  a player/competitor/athlete who have made it to the elite level in any era is their work ethic, how driven they are and their myopic focus on being the absolute best. And perhaps also a large dose of hatred of losing.

For the  champions (Laver, Fangio, Barrassi, Ali) these traits are even on higher level. No better example of that then The Last Dance.  

 

Edited June 23, 20205 yr by binman

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

The coach seems to think he is doing his role, only one that matters really

It's only on here that the notion he is struggling appears

Demonland needs a weekly target to lock onto, otherwise there is no opportunity for some posters to contribute, as they thrive on negativity

I'm just following your point...

So if the coach thinks Tommy is doing his role he would be over the moon with how Neitz or Lyon did the same....

12 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

The coach seems to think he is doing his role, only one that matters really

It's only on here that the notion he is struggling appears

Demonland needs a weekly target to lock onto, otherwise there is no opportunity for some posters to contribute, as they thrive on negativity

I'm not sure you're accurately representing Goodwin's thoughts on McDonald:

From 18/6: "The pressure's building and we're looking for our talls to really compete and start bringing the ball to ground and start having an influence on the game," Goodwin said.

"That's the reality of the game – we need some forwards, and some key forwards, to start to influence games of footy."

Source

Edit - Added date for context.

Edited June 23, 20205 yr by Lord Nev

33 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm not sure you're accurately representing Goodwin's thoughts on McDonald:

From 18/6: "The pressure's building and we're looking for our talls to really compete and start bringing the ball to ground and start having an influence on the game," Goodwin said.

"That's the reality of the game – we need some forwards, and some key forwards, to start to influence games of footy."

Source

Edit - Added date for context.

Indeed.

And the problem Goody faces if not TMac then who?

Weed is the obvious one but seems out of favor. Brown is not big enough to play the key forward role we need TMac to play. And with Petty injured there literally is no one else who can fill the power forward role.

Unless Goody decides to troll Demonland and replaces TMac with OMac.. 

Edited June 23, 20205 yr by binman

57 minutes ago, rjay said:

It's one of the reasons Tommy is struggling at the moment.

If he doesn't hold his grabs he's not giving us value...

Talls need to have some agility.

Yes, it is ironic given the discussion about a player of Neita's ilk not being suited to today's game that our current key position forward in his current form and shape is not suited to today's game.

Another irony is that in his current form TMac would not be suited to the game in Neita's period either. One thing that hasn't changed in footy is that teams like their key forwards to take the occasional contested mark and kick the odd goal.

7 minutes ago, binman said:

Indeed.

And the problem Goody faces if not TMac then who?

Brown is not big enough to play the key forward role we need TMac to play. And with Petty injured there literally is no one else who can fill the power forward role.

Unless Goody decides to troll Demonland and replaces TMac with OMac.. 

Maybe Goody needs to tell TMac to stop 'bringing the ball to ground' and actually mark it? ?‍♂️

I still believe deep down that Weid and TMac is the combo we should be going for. TMac operates best when he has a mobile key forward with him who can roam up the ground and help spread the space IMO.

Show Weid the same amount of patience as Goody has shown Brayshaw and TMac and it will help his confidence and trust issues, and at least then he can be judged fairly as a prospect for us going forward.

While I am concerned about TMac's form (I think if he can recapture the 2018 form we suddenly become a contender).  But aren't many of the designated key forwards struggling at the moment?  

15 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

How do all you experts know that past players would fit in today, the game has changed

Except on Demonland where the past is relived over and over again and no modern player can hold a candle to all those premiership winning  giants from the last 50 odd years

I really don't think there is a lot of modern footy IQ on show in some of the posts

Personally the only player I think could possibly play is Jim Stynes

It is now more than ever a team game

Lyon, Neitz were great players when they played, footy was different

It was a practice game were players changed sides through the course of the game, hopefully something they won't do against Geelong

I rest my case

Yes, the game has changed and so has the training. Those stars from yesteryear would obviously be trained for the modern game, not be stuck in some training time warp from the 1990's . Off course they'd be stars today.

I'm a TMac fan Saty, but he's struggling and we need him back in form.

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, loges said:

Yes, the game has changed and so has the training. Those stars from yesteryear would obviously be trained for the modern game, not be stuck in some training time warp from the 1990's . Off course they'd be stars today.

I'm a TMac fan Saty, but he's struggling and we need him back in form.

 

 

 

I think the only MFC KPF star of yesteryear that would struggle today would be Jakovich. More than enough talent but he had attitude issues, didn’t like training all that much, wasn’t overly fit and was a free spirit who would not have liked being put in a straight jacket with all of today’s team rules and coaching. 

Times might change, but talent stays regardless. Neitz, Lyon, Schwartz etc all had talent for the game that would translate into the modern game if they were trained under modern conditions. 

Could you imagine 1994 Ox roaming around inside forward 50? He was fit, athletic and took mark after mark. We still do that today and he would be our number one forward. 

Ricky Jackson would be the Caleb Daniels of the competition.

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Times might change, but talent stays regardless. Neitz, Lyon, Schwartz etc all had talent for the game that would translate into the modern game if they were trained under modern conditions. 

Could you imagine 1994 Ox roaming around inside forward 50? He was fit, athletic and took mark after mark. We still do that today and he would be our number one forward. 

Our number 1 forward or the competitions number 1 forward?

1994 Ox would be the best forward in the game today.     Thats a guy who kicked 9 goals from true CHF in the last round of the season and then proceeded to tear apart two finals.

Booted 60 goals from CHF and led the league in marks.  

1 hour ago, loges said:

Yes, the game has changed and so has the training. Those stars from yesteryear would obviously be trained for the modern game, not be stuck in some training time warp from the 1990's . Off course they'd be stars today.

I'm a TMac fan Saty, but he's struggling and we need him back in form.

 

The only ones who'd struggle would be those,  who were free willed and undisciplined.   With no defensive mindset.

Those players would find it hard to sacrifice their creativity and explosiveness and fill space in a rolling mall and chase.  And we have a couple of Mids with stars in their eyes,  doing this as we speak.

46 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Times might change, but talent stays regardless. Neitz, Lyon, Schwartz etc all had talent for the game that would translate into the modern game if they were trained under modern conditions. 

Could you imagine 1994 Ox roaming around inside forward 50? He was fit, athletic and took mark after mark. We still do that today and he would be our number one forward. 

Actually I think we need the Mk2 Ox right now, wise.

To play the role earmarked for Jackson.  I fear that Jackson might be too nice, alike White.  Instead of that he man OX, who would run over the top of many defenders these days IF they got in his way.

 

Imagine the Ox at full steam,  with ball tucked under an arm,  and a decent,  "Don't-Argue".!   And his pack marks.

Actually,  we need Ox at training Now,  to help TMc. 

 

Ox,  with his take-it-on attitude, would help  'our conservative self'.

3 hours ago, rjay said:

If he doesn't hold his grabs he's not giving us value...

He will,  'rj'.

Once we get our proper contingent of speedy smalls into our forward half,  The strait-lining at the ball of  Big Tommy will spread-eagle the defenders (splitting the packs),  and give us more players on their feet.

 

speed kills.!     and slowing down will hurt us.     its the sudden Stop that destroys us.

What I would give to have The Ox, Neitz and Lyon playing for us now. They would dominate. 

Of course this is just my opinion, and we all know opinions are neither right nor wrong. Toot toot, old chaps. 

Edited June 23, 20205 yr by Ethan Tremblay

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

It's only on here that the notion he is struggling appears

Demonland needs a weekly target to lock onto, otherwise there is no opportunity for some posters to contribute, as they thrive on negativity

Wait, so now you are saying Tom McDonald ISN'T struggling?

FMD.    He hasnt fired a shot since 2018.

3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

What I would give to have The Ox, Neitz and Lyon playing for us now. They would dominate. 

Of course this is just my opinion, and we all know opinions are neither right nor wrong. Toot toot, old chaps. 

A contribution, that was neither right or wrong, airborne bacon anyone, and not a gif/meme/or obvious humour to be seen

What would you give and who would you take out of the team to replace   chap

21 minutes ago, TheKozzieExperience said:

Wait, so now you are saying Tom McDonald ISN'T struggling?

FMD.    He hasnt fired a shot since 2018.

Well, first real game in how long, live all this waffling after one game, agree  his touch was off, he still contributed to get picked in the team ahead of any others

3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

What I would give to have The Ox, Neitz and Lyon playing for us now. They would dominate. 

Of course this is just my opinion, and we all know opinions are neither right nor wrong. Toot toot, old chaps. 

Can we add Jeff Farmer and Liam Jurrah to that line up? 

21 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

How do all you experts know that past players would fit in today, the game has changed

Except on Demonland where the past is relived over and over again and no modern player can hold a candle to all those premiership winning  giants from the last 50 odd years

I really don't think there is a lot of modern footy IQ on show in some of the posts

Personally the only player I think could possibly play is Jim Stynes

It is now more than ever a team game

Lyon, Neitz were great players when they played, footy was different

It was a practice game were players changed sides through the course of the game, hopefully something they won't do against Geelong

I rest my case

The level of arrogance from such a low info base as yourself is staggering. James Hird has a rival in the narcissism stakes.