Melbourne vs Essendon Postponed

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 minute ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Barrett was on the channel 9 morning show and confirmed that McKenna trained in a group of 8 players after the Friday test. Did I read somewhere the whole team bar McKenna trained yesterday morning? He went on to say that Essendon players would be tested Tuesday and if negative were free to play against Carlton.
 

Surely they go to incubation. That is what would happen to any other employee.

[TRIGON 4,792]

1 minute ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Barrett was on the channel 9 morning show and confirmed that McKenna trained in a group of 8 players after the Friday test. Did I read somewhere the whole team bar McKenna trained yesterday morning? He went on to say that Essendon players would be tested Tuesday and if negative were free to play against Carlton.
 

Given the amount of confusing information surrounding COVID 19, does anyone know if the tests accurate enough within a 3-4 day time frame?

[Skuit 10,031]

1 minute ago, Half forward flank said:

Surely they go to incubation. That is what would happen to any other employee.

Loving the dystopian imagery of this sentence. 

[dazzledavey36 55,474]

20 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Absolutely he did.

He feels desperately sorry for Essendon and had the arrogance to say that they were basically a certainly to beat us today.

One of the panellist felt for us being caught up in the situation. Can’t remember who?

What a deadset [censored]. 

Spare me that Essendon have been hard down Lloyd yards peanut.

[binman 44,218]

1 hour ago, GCDee said:

Pretty simple really, you have a positive test, the player and anyone they came in contact with isolates for 14 days. Yes it would suck but health and safety comes above a game. I would have the exact same view if it was Spargo who came back as positive 

Correct. Almost.

 You are missing one critical word - close. As in close contact.

In terms of the isolation period it will all depend on which, if any, bombers players are considered close contacts.

From what I've read it seems there us a chance he got it Thursday. There was team contact training  Friday. He (And other players) were tested after that seeking and results on Sat morning had "irregularities'. Retested with rush job. Positive sat arvo.

They apparently have to video all sessions so will be able to see who he  had 'close personal contact' with on Friday.

The key thing is that DHHS define 'close contact" as:

Close contact' means having face-to-face contact for more than 15 minutes  with someone who has a confirmed case of coronavirus (COVID-19) – or alternatively sharing a closed space with them for more than two hours.

In an outdoors training session, even one with contact, they may not meet that criteria. They might in the gym but only if they didn't follow the strict protocols. And any team meeting would be short and everyone 2 metres apart.  

It can be transmiitted by directly sharing mucus or the like. For example so he rubs his snot on his jumper and a player then touches and then touches his own face.

The other thing is they are only allowed one session a week where all players train toghether. The rest of the time they have to train in groups of no more than seven. I'm not sure what their Friday session was.

So the key thing is DHHS determining who and when he got it (my bet is his hist family on Thursday given that is where most transmission is currently occuring). If they can pinpoint it as Thursday they can work out who at Essendon meets the close personal contact criteria.

 Any player, coach etc not deemed to have been a close contact who test clear on Tuesday should be fine.

Anyone who they define as a close contacts will have a mandatory 14 day isolation period. It is likely that number wont be that high. If it is say only seven players maybe they are right to play this week.

One important caveat on all of the above. I would have thought it is very unlikely he caught it at Essendon. If he did and they have a cluster there all bets are off. This is the worst case scenario. It would be likely mean everyone at the club doing isolation for 2 weeks, meaning missing three games in total (they all went into isolation yesterday).

Edited June 21, 2020 by binman

[hardtack 10,704]

34 minutes ago, Demonland said:

We don’t even know if you can pass it on during the incubation period so he could have infected multiple players and staff at Essendon. How long until those people can test positive? Surely Essendon players and staff all have to quarantine for 2 weeks now. 

 How can they possibly play next week given that they all potentially have been exposed to a highly contagious virus. 

 I’m in the forfeit camp. 

As I understand it, if you have COVID, you are contageous well before you start to show any physical symptoms (that is, during the incubation period), and as it usually takes anywhere between 2 and 14 days to display symptoms, then you would have to imagine that you are contageous from almost day 1. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/).

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,072]

16 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Barrett was on the channel 9 morning show and confirmed that McKenna trained in a group of 8 players after the Friday test. Did I read somewhere the whole team bar McKenna trained yesterday morning? He went on to say that Essendon players would be tested Tuesday and if negative were free to play against Carlton.
 

If the Essendon players are tested on Tuesday and cleared, then why can’t we play them on Tuesday night rather than having to worry about a make-up game later in the season?

[sue 9,151]

7 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If the Essendon players are tested on Tuesday and cleared, then why can’t we play them on Tuesday night rather than having to worry about a make-up game later in the season?

No thanks. Given the uncertainties that surround testing and timing, not worth the risk to our players.

[Damo 3,407]

Playing Essendon Tuesday or Wednesday is still possible going by the dodgy rules set out.

If Wednesday then our game with Geelong would be probably next Monday night. 5 day break but possible which would leave our season on track. But it leaves Essendon moving the Blues match as well. 

Going by Jake Nialls BS story in todays Age he is more concerned about Ess-carl than any mention of our fixture.

We are at full strength and I expect to beat Essendon but M Lloyd is a [censored] and is always looking for a Dons excuse.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

17 minutes ago, binman said:

Correct. Almost.

 You are missing one critical word - close. As in close contact.

In terms of the isolation period it will all depend on which, if any, bombers players are considered close contacts.

From what I've read it seems there us a chance he got it Thursday. There was team contact training  Friday. He (And other players) were tested after that seeking and results on Sat morning had "irregularities'. Retested with rush job. Positive sat arvo.

They apparently have to video all sessions so will be able to see who he  had 'close personal contact' with on Thursday..

The key thing is that DHHS define 'close contact" as:

Close contact' means having face-to-face contact for more than 15 minutes  with someone who has a confirmed case of coronavirus (COVID-19) – or alternatively sharing a closed space with them for more than two hours.

In an outdoors training session, even one with contact, they may not meet that criteria. They might in the gym but only if they didn't follow the strict protocols. And any team meeting would be short and everyone 2 metres apart.  

It can be transmiitted by directly sharing mucus or the like. For example so he rubs his snot on his jumper and a player then touches and then touches his own face.

The other thing is they are only allowed one session a week where all players train toghether. The rest of the time they have to train in groups of no more than seven. I'm not sure what their Friday session was.

So the key thing is DHHS determining who and when he got it (my bet is his hist family on Thursday). If they can pinpoint it as Thursday they can work out who st Essendon meets the close personal contact criteria.

 Any player, coach etc not deemed to have been a close contact who test clear on Tuesday should be fine.

Anyone who they define as a close contacts will have a mandatory 14 day isolation period. It is likely that number wont be that high. If it is say only seven players maybe they are right to play this week.

One important caveat on all of the above. I would have thought it is very unlikely he caught it at Essendon. If he did and they have a cluster there all bets are off. This is the worst case scenario. It would be likely mean everyone at the club doing isolation for 2 weeks, meaning missing three games in total (They all went into isolation yesterday).

At a guess i would say any Essendon player who got their hands on the snot riddled football handled by Mckenna at  training. Basis hygiene 101.

[titan_uranus 25,058]

29 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Barrett was on the channel 9 morning show and confirmed that McKenna trained in a group of 8 players after the Friday test. Did I read somewhere the whole team bar McKenna trained yesterday morning? He went on to say that Essendon players would be tested Tuesday and if negative were free to play against Carlton.
 

I didn't hear this, but it's possible he trained after the test, but before the result was returned.

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If the Essendon players are tested on Tuesday and cleared, then why can’t we play them on Tuesday night rather than having to worry about a make-up game later in the season?

Because it's logistically impossible to arrange the match on an hour or two's notice.

They'll slot it in later in the year, on a few week's notice. 

[hardtack 10,704]

22 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Surely they go to incubation. That is what would happen to any other employee.

Um, no... that's the job of the virus.

23 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

AFL TO PROBE CAUSE OF McKENNA VIRUS.  Who the hell do the AFL think  they are. It is the Health Dept job to track the source of the McKennas virus and who  the subsquent people at risk are likely to be. Flop cut should have put a top person in charge of all non footy things to do with this pandemic and concentrated on football. Start with giving the Demons the four points. And MFC, tell flop cut to go jump. We prepared and were ready for this game. No interest in playing them at a later cramped schedule date.

Of course the AFL must carry out an investigation of the cause; because they need to determine whether or not McKenna breached their rules.  And of course the Health Dept will be investigating as well, just as they do with every case reported as they need to determine what was the nature of the infection.

I'm certainly no fan of his, but Gil McLachlan is doing a very good job in what must be an almost impossible situation.  I can't even begin to comprehend the logistics that must be involved in trying to keep this competition together and running... you're just [censored] off because it's Melbourne who were involved and who have been inconvenienced.  Try looking at it from a broader perspective.

[Skuit 10,031]

9 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If the Essendon players are tested on Tuesday and cleared, then why can’t we play them on Tuesday night rather than having to worry about a make-up game later in the season?

The health authorities have put in place a two-week quarantine period for a reason. There is an incubation period where there might not yet be evidence of the virus in the system. The protocol now for returning travelers seems to be to test on day two and day nine. They don't just let people loose if they test negative on day two. See what happened in NZ. I can't quite understand why they've come to the conclusion that McKenna tested negative on Wednesday so let's assume he picked it up in the past couple days and work from there. It completely conflicts with the notion of a two-week quarantine period. 

[binman 44,218]

8 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

At a guess i would say any Essendon player who got their hands on the snot riddled football handled by Mckenna at  training. Basis hygiene 101.

Only if after touching his snot they touched their own face (And even then not 100% they would get it)

[old dee 23,928]

11 hours ago, Jaded said:

2020 is a real ****show. Wake me up in 2021

Some how I think it is going to be 2022 before the world has some sense of order.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

9 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Um, no... that's the job of the virus.

Of course the AFL must carry out an investigation of the cause; because they need to determine whether or not McKenna breached their rules.  And of course the Health Dept will be investigating as well, just as they do with every case reported as they need to determine what was the nature of the infection.

I'm certainly no fan of his, but Gil McLachlan is doing a very good job in what must be an almost impossible situation.  I can't even begin to comprehend the logistics that must be involved in trying to keep this competition together and running... you're just [censored] off because it's Melbourne who were involved and who have been inconvenienced.  Try looking at it from a broader perspective.

Thanks for the moral outrage and also correction on incubation. That said do not tell my why I am annoyed. Gil, I can do everything, would have been wise to appoint a top Health person to take care of all Covid discussion and media. So far we have heard sketchy and contradictory comments. Beyond that you miss the point entirely. I could not care less about AFL rules at this stage. I care about Community rules and restrictions, which is quite rightly the Health Dept job. As for my inconvenience I have heard no apology from Gil to the MFC, just that he feels sorry for the player and EFC.  Maybe factor that it and importantly the inconvenience and more to the MFC.

[My name is legion 158]

The corona virus testing is not black and white. There are false negatives. You can test negative and still have the virus.

Edited June 21, 2020 by My name is legion

[TheKozzieExperience 258]

18 minutes ago, Damo said:

Playing Essendon Tuesday or Wednesday is still possible going by the dodgy rules set out.

 

 

We will know in the next hour or two as todays scratch match would be cancelled.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

12 minutes ago, binman said:

Only if after touching his snot they touched their own face (And even then not 100% they would get it)

Yes, but enough to put them all in isolation according to Community standards. 

[GCDee 3,199]

11 minutes ago, Damo said:

Playing Essendon Tuesday or Wednesday is still possible going by the dodgy rules set out.

If Wednesday then our game with Geelong would be probably next Monday night. 5 day break but possible which would leave our season on track. But it leaves Essendon moving the Blues match as well. 

Going by Jake Nialls BS story in todays Age he is more concerned about Ess-carl than any mention of our fixture.

We are at full strength and I expect to beat Essendon but M Lloyd is a [censored] and is always looking for a Dons excuse.

There is zero chance we play the game mid week this week. Barret, the AFL chief journo, who you think would have the inside word said the plan is for it to be made up later in the year once the next segment of fixtures are released. This is also assuming there are no further postive cases coming from the bombers. So yes the concern now falls to the bombers next two rounds as they will likely be in isolation.

If the AFL and EFC somehow swindle a way to avoid isolation and there are no further cases then my guess is ESS v MELB will be the opening round for the next period of rounds on a Tuesday or a Wednesday with our next game being the following Monday or sunday. 

However I don't think this will happen, players and staff in close contact with Connor will be in isolation, the bombers will miss three games and [censored] knows what the plan is to fixture 3 games for them then.

My bet is another player or official will  test positive, the AFL will keep it underwraps until Saturday Arvo allowing Thursday-saturday games to proceed as normal bar the Essendon game. Gil to call a presser saying the season will be suspended for 2 weeks at the conclusion of the round (Sunday games to be completed) this will allow the hub teams to go home serve their quarantine period and they will slap together some new fixture for rounds 5-9.

[binman 44,218]

28 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I didn't hear this, but it's possible he trained after the test, but before the result was returned.

Because it's logistically impossible to arrange the match on an hour or two's notice.

They'll slot it in later in the year, on a few week's notice. 

Correct on both counts

[binman 44,218]

6 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Yes, but enough to put them all in isolation according to Community standards. 

No. That's not the case.

[Demonland 73,269]

 

[manny100 1,613]

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

Some how I think it is going to be 2022 before the world has some sense of order.

Agree, in the absence of a vaccine outbreaks and clusters could occur for years. Usually a pandemic sweeps through and is over in a year or 2 after a lot of damage until we get herd immunity. Could be we just have to get used to living with the virus. So we either throw caution to the wind and get busy burying people or get used to living with restrictions and crap like this and go broke as economies go off the boil. Choices aren't flash.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 minute ago, binman said:

No. That's not the case.

How so?