I honestly don't know how either club could have any fully formed confidence going into this one.

Both clubs have a handful of new players, some draftees, changed positions/roles etc.

It will come down to continuity and chemistry with the game plan, who can execute.

Predicting a very ordinary game. Extra rust to shake off. Quite a few teenagers playing.

Cant wait!

 

Chazz, you disregard facts and dismiss detailed analysis of any data that conflicts with your predetermined position and conclusion.

I’d be a fool to keep “arguing” with you. Let’s agree to disagree. 

  On 11/06/2020 at 03:48, Ethan Tremblay said:

Supporters making excuse after excuse and not demanding more and better is part of the reason the club is where it is. Winners wouldn’t accept or make excuses for our round 1 performance. After 2019, our players should have wanted to win and given it their all, no matter what. 

I would agree normally.  But I won't based on one single 1st game of the season...  immediately following being told Pre-game, that the season was off.

  On 10/06/2020 at 10:52, Unleash Hell said:

Round 1 form is always hard to judge and after a long break it's even harder. But Carlton weren't that bad in Rd 1.

 

After the tigers took a 46 point lead into half time. 

  On 10/06/2020 at 23:09, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Silvagni’s best role is as a midfield tagger

Silvagni is only on the list for family reasons, lets be honest here.

  On 11/06/2020 at 05:14, MyFavouriteMartian said:

I would agree normally.  But I won't based on one single 1st game of the season...  immediately following being told Pre-game, that the season was off.

Its the reason the season should never have begun in the first place. The AFL and NRL begun their seasons out of pure greed.

  On 11/06/2020 at 04:16, The Chazz said:

How can you not agree?  5 goals to none in the opening 20-odd minutes of a new season.  Even if we want to excuse them because of the bizarre circumstances going in to the game, it was clearly felt more by one side than the other.  That most certainly points to professionalism - one willing to not let adversity impact their own performance, and the other one did.

So you're saying every time a side wins they are more professional than the side that loses?

If you are correct, and our players "felt" the suspension of the season more than West Coast's did, why is that such a disaster? Humans do not all react to things the same way and I do not expect our players to be robots and to block out every emotion. If they were affected by the suspension, I understand that. If they were affected more than West Coast was, I understand that too.

  On 11/06/2020 at 03:16, McQueen said:

I wouldn't apply the same sentiment if it was a Dee's supporter.

It was meant to be tongue in cheek.

That's also a problem. Do you think that tongue in cheek or casual prejudice is ok? Joking or otherwise, swearing about an English man because he isn't a Dees supporter, dismissing him because you think he's only been in the country for 5 minutes. Seriously? It's 2020 and if you haven't already noticed... NOT COOL, MCQUEEN.

Demonland, let's ban that sort of post. 

  On 11/06/2020 at 06:50, titan_uranus said:

So you're saying every time a side wins they are more professional than the side that loses?

If you are correct, and our players "felt" the suspension of the season more than West Coast's did, why is that such a disaster? Humans do not all react to things the same way and I do not expect our players to be robots and to block out every emotion. If they were affected by the suspension, I understand that. If they were affected more than West Coast was, I understand that too.

Clearly not saying that.  But let's face it, we have extensive history for not being prepared for some games.  I'm sure you can create your own list, but I'll start you off with the Gold Coast game last year, the Essendon game when they had most of their team out, Geelong 186.

I can remember going to some games where you could tell as plain as day during the pregame warm up if we were on or not.

  On 11/06/2020 at 03:22, faultydet said:

And it's so typical of many supporters to give an excuse for losing, when BOTH teams got the same news at the same time, and only ONE performed to a standard that says their heads were in the game. It's always us who are being excused for a sub standard effort. And people wonder why we have been a laughing stock for 50 years.

Sorry my fault. I'll send a sternly worded email to the club to let them know how poor round 1 was so we can win the flag this year. I didn't realise I was to blame for our lack of success since 1964 (and I wasn't even been for a couple of decades after that!) 

  On 11/06/2020 at 06:50, titan_uranus said:

So you're saying every time a side wins they are more professional than the side that loses?

If you are correct, and our players "felt" the suspension of the season more than West Coast's did, why is that such a disaster? Humans do not all react to things the same way and I do not expect our players to be robots and to block out every emotion. If they were affected by the suspension, I understand that. If they were affected more than West Coast was, I understand that too.

What if West Coast didn't know about the seasons suspension,  Pre game..? 

They didn't have to travel really, to the game;  and certainly didn't have to catch another flight home.

  On 11/06/2020 at 07:15, Dr. Gonzo said:

Sorry my fault. I'll send a sternly worded email to the club to let them know how poor round 1 was so we can win the flag this year. I didn't realise I was to blame for our lack of success since 1964 (and I wasn't even been for a couple of decades after that!) 

Well get to it fast.

 

Game day is Saturday.

  On 11/06/2020 at 09:10, faultydet said:

Well get to it fast.

 

Game day is Saturday.

After 55 years what's another week or two between friends?

  On 11/06/2020 at 06:54, Fanatique Demon said:

That's also a problem. Do you think that tongue in cheek or casual prejudice is ok? Joking or otherwise, swearing about an English man because he isn't a Dees supporter, dismissing him because you think he's only been in the country for 5 minutes. Seriously? It's 2020 and if you haven't already noticed... NOT COOL, MCQUEEN.

Demonland, let's ban that sort of post. 

You'll be tearing down statues next..

  On 11/06/2020 at 03:22, faultydet said:

We were made to look 3rd rate in round 1. There is no getting around it, regardless of clever use of stats etc.

 

And it's so typical of many supporters to give an excuse for losing, when BOTH teams got the same news at the same time, and only ONE performed to a standard that says their heads were in the game. It's always us who are being excused for a sub standard effort. And people wonder why we have been a laughing stock for 50 years.

 

For people to be thinking we are going to smash Carlton this week, I think you have your head in the clouds. The Blues may very well smash us.

This post is spot on.

FFS some git even posted after round one that one of the reasons we were flat is because we might have been worried about how we were getting home....un*********believable.

 

 

If we want to win a premiership some time in the not-too-distant future, we need to learn how to win against good sides regularly, regardless of the Where and When.

If you are happy to keep making excuses for our quite frankly embarrassing performances year after year after year then you are happy to never see the team improve. As long as we are "Nice blokes" or "Try our best" eh?

'64 was a lifetime ago. Its time to expect more.

Much more.

 

 

Carlton should be a walkover in their current state.

The fact it could go either way is more of a brickbat for us than a bouquet to them.

Win well this week or P.O. MFC. Make me a believer.

Has anyone that is teeing off about our rd1 match actually watched the replay? I’ve watched it twice and if you reckon we were putrid, you have rocks in ya head, with all due respect. 
 

we flew over at 11:30pm the night before, had no preparation on the ground as we normally would. We were dominating the game for the first twelve minutes and completely blew our chances by wasting shots on goal. That is putrid goal kicking, but not a putrid performance. 
 

the eagles had a stellar 5 minutes before quarter time, which we never recovered from. We had a moment in the 3rd, but poor inside 50 entries cost us again. Trying to use Fritta as a lead up forward was a big factor and I expect the addition of Jackson will allow us to compete.

the main offenders of the poor entries and costly turnovers have been omitted - Hibberd and Spargo. 
 

cool ya jets and see what unfolds on Saturday 

 

 

“Demons are putting a lot of faith in Lever and May down back and Jackson up front. Hope rain isn't forecast.”

Lol Yeah, a lot of faith to play our two best, highest-paid defenders.

Pretty sure rain won’t be a factor anyway playing at Marvel with roof closed 

  On 11/06/2020 at 11:35, Leoncelli_36 said:

Has anyone that is teeing off about our rd1 match actually watched the replay? I’ve watched it twice and if you reckon we were putrid, you have rocks in ya head, with all due respect. 
 

we flew over at 11:30pm the night before, had no preparation on the ground as we normally would. We were dominating the game for the first twelve minutes and completely blew our chances by wasting shots on goal. That is putrid goal kicking, but not a putrid performance. 
 

the eagles had a stellar 5 minutes before quarter time, which we never recovered from. We had a moment in the 3rd, but poor inside 50 entries cost us again. Trying to use Fritta as a lead up forward was a big factor and I expect the addition of Jackson will allow us to compete.

the main offenders of the poor entries and costly turnovers have been omitted - Hibberd and Spargo. 
 

cool ya jets and see what unfolds on Saturday 

 

 

Great stuff. I've been saying this all along in a few threads and couldn't agree more. 

  On 10/06/2020 at 20:18, Fanatique Demon said:

Why does where he is from have anything to do with it? This sort of bias has to be called out.

Not cool, McQueen.

Uumm .... because Pom's are clueless?  Apologies to Saty!

  On 11/06/2020 at 04:41, PaulRB said:

Chazz, you disregard facts and dismiss detailed analysis of any data that conflicts with your predetermined position and conclusion.

I’d be a fool to keep “arguing” with you. Let’s agree to disagree. 

Arh, the old don't argue with fools, they will beat you with their experience ... so true!

  On 11/06/2020 at 06:54, Fanatique Demon said:

That's also a problem. Do you think that tongue in cheek or casual prejudice is ok? Joking or otherwise, swearing about an English man because he isn't a Dees supporter, dismissing him because you think he's only been in the country for 5 minutes. Seriously? It's 2020 and if you haven't already noticed... NOT COOL, MCQUEEN.

Demonland, let's ban that sort of post. 

Mon Dieu, we should be ashamed tolerating those bigoted Australians and New Zealanders! We should sink a boat or test another nuclear bomb in their  backyard to teach them respect!

  On 11/06/2020 at 06:54, Fanatique Demon said:

That's also a problem. Do you think that tongue in cheek or casual prejudice is ok? Joking or otherwise, swearing about an English man because he isn't a Dees supporter, dismissing him because you think he's only been in the country for 5 minutes. Seriously? It's 2020 and if you haven't already noticed... NOT COOL, MCQUEEN.

Demonland, let's ban that sort of post. 

I’ve got more important things in life than to be concerned with your emotional reactions. 
Maybe a practice you should acquaint yourself with?

Edited June 11, 20204 yr by McQueen

  On 11/06/2020 at 11:35, Leoncelli_36 said:

Has anyone that is teeing off about our rd1 match actually watched the replay? I’ve watched it twice and if you reckon we were putrid, you have rocks in ya head, with all due respect. 
 

we flew over at 11:30pm the night before, had no preparation on the ground as we normally would. We were dominating the game for the first twelve minutes and completely blew our chances by wasting shots on goal. That is putrid goal kicking, but not a putrid performance. 
 

the eagles had a stellar 5 minutes before quarter time, which we never recovered from. We had a moment in the 3rd, but poor inside 50 entries cost us again. Trying to use Fritta as a lead up forward was a big factor and I expect the addition of Jackson will allow us to compete.

the main offenders of the poor entries and costly turnovers have been omitted - Hibberd and Spargo. 
 

cool ya jets and see what unfolds on Saturday 

 

 

Great post. Objectively reviewing a game seems to be akin to appeasement for some Melbourne supporters.

  On 11/06/2020 at 05:29, Win4theAges said:

After the tigers took a 46 point lead into half time. 

Guess we will find out tomorrow