On 30/04/2020 at 08:47, bing181 said:

Discussing. And what's being discussed is nothing like a return to normal, far from it. At the very least, international tourism, both inbound and outbound, will be curtailed if not closed. As for domestic, I'm in France, and the message here is don't even think about summer holidays for the moment, and even then, probably only locally (within 100 km). And that's just the summer - there's increasing awareness that even the 20-21 ski season which starts in December is looking dicey.

doesn't sound like what the Greek State minister is advocating but who knows

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11489100/greece-holiday-july-british-tourists/

 

Edited April 30, 20204 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 30/04/2020 at 05:52, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Population density helps locking down, but counts for little without isolation.  Put 60,000 people in the MCG on 3 times over a weekend and you'll have 'mass graves' no matter how sparse your population.

Yes, a hubs proposal essentially keeps players in detention - an isolation much more extreme than any measures in Australia and on par with Wuhan, Ital and Spain.  Like a racehorse, they let out of their stable to train and play.  It's absurd and such a low priority.

Who's talking about playing in front of 60,000 ? Only you

How do you know the players will be locked in their room, only let out to play and train?

You totally overlook the mental benefit of having the diversion of having another interest to look forward to other than staring at four walls all day or loading up on netflix.

I understand it has to be done with caution but it can be done. The way our population is structured if your fears come about we can shut down quickly again. We will never be like Europe or USA.

  On 30/04/2020 at 09:41, loges said:

Who's talking about playing in front of 60,000 ? Only you

How do you know the players will be locked in their room, only let out to play and train?

You totally overlook the mental benefit of having the diversion of having another interest to look forward to other than staring at four walls all day or loading up on netflix.

I understand it has to be done with caution but it can be done. The way our population is structured if your fears come about we can shut down quickly again. We will never be like Europe or USA.

How does a ‘hub’ work away from families if the players can get out and about?  It’s a quarantine to limit potential expose to the virus.

 

  On 30/04/2020 at 10:05, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

How does a ‘hub’ work away from families if the players can get out and about?  It’s a quarantine to limit potential expose to the virus.

 

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'd be surprised if they don't have the run of the hotel.

  On 30/04/2020 at 09:41, loges said:

We will never be like Europe or USA.

Interesting...

...but the USA had everything under control, it was nothing, they were tracking fine, the flu was worse, they were never going to be like China.

  On 30/04/2020 at 08:47, bing181 said:

Discussing. And what's being discussed is nothing like a return to normal, far from it. At the very least, international tourism, both inbound and outbound, will be curtailed if not closed. As for domestic, I'm in France, and the message here is don't even think about summer holidays for the moment, and even then, probably only locally (within 100 km). And that's just the summer - there's increasing awareness that even the 20-21 ski season which starts in December is looking dicey.

Thais Bing for a European view.

it truly is a global pandemic and it does appear outcomes (deaths ) are really variable. I have been saying the term cases really says nothing as the variables between data collection and cultural and societal practices is enough to make modelling useless.

We still have little information on actual depth of the problem as we have no idea how many people had mild symptoms and have never reported as a case.

It is also amazing that we have had few reports of transmission from supermarkets and hardware stores which are open . 

A sizeable proportion is related to the one boat Border Force failed to stop and health workers who are front line workers who were so devoted they failed to isolate  some when they had symptoms.

its certainly a tricky business.

I have proposed that we in Australia can perhaps create Economic Activity Zones, where controlled activity can be formed around a centre with a major health centre and accommodation for isolation if necessary. This is similar to a hub but  needs all services and support operating within the Zone with careful testing of anyone moving into the zone. Perhaps I've been isolated too long myself. They say mental health issues are increasing.

  On 30/04/2020 at 10:24, rjay said:

Interesting...

...but the USA had everything under control, it was nothing, they were tracking fine, the flu was worse, they were never going to be like China.

Trump gives me an hour amusement every day on you tube. Dumbest president ever.

  On 30/04/2020 at 08:53, Diamond_Jim said:

doesn't sound like what the Greek State minister is advocating but who knows

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11489100/greece-holiday-july-british-tourists/

 

Of likely tourist centres, yes the Greeks have done really well. Also the Portuguese. But for the rest of us ... Though not sure I'd be citing anything from the Sun.

Edited April 30, 20204 yr by bing181

  On 30/04/2020 at 04:43, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

You'd be hard pressed to find any children begging for less time with their fathers.

AFL is so far from an essential activity; it is a luxury for society.  If it is safe to play, then that's fantastic.  Playing is isolation hubs where players are essentially under draconian lockdown however is absurd.  This is a global pandemic the likes of which hasn't been seen in 100 years.  Literally pulling families apart for a luxury spectator event is absurd.

I agree, and I'm sure the players do to and will have no qualms with foregoing their salaries for this season.

  On 29/04/2020 at 23:40, Demonland said:

 

Edited April 30, 20204 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

 

  On 30/04/2020 at 12:24, Demonland said:

 

Finding it harder every day to respect the AFL and its players.

Dont want to play... no worries. Hand back every cent you have taken or intend to take for the rest of the season. 

Play 1 game, get paid for 1 game. 

"We as AFL players, undertook this contract in 2020, thinking we’d have a certain life, that’s what we agreed to and we signed the dotted line.”

Yeah, and the members signed up for a full season of games. You guys want to eat your cake and have it too (everyone gets that saying wrong)

 Im frankly sick of their whining when so many Australians would do almost anything to be back at work.

Bloody primadonas.

Edited April 30, 20204 yr by ding

  On 30/04/2020 at 12:24, Demonland said:

 

“We as AFL players, undertook this contract in 2020, thinking we’d have a certain life, that’s what we agreed to and we signed the dotted line.” Phil Davis and Callan Ward respond to criticism over players reaction to hubs.

GWS Giant Phil Davis has defended AFL players for being reluctant to resume the 2020 season in quarantine hubs away from their families.

 

Not a fan of the hub idea myself but this is just a stupid argument...

Nobody signed on to this year, we all thought we would have a certain life...but here we are and we will make the best of it as we can and do what we must do. All bets are off...

Being an AFL player doesn't make you immune from the world and it's problems.

  On 30/04/2020 at 14:46, rjay said:

“We as AFL players, undertook this contract in 2020, thinking we’d have a certain life, that’s what we agreed to and we signed the dotted line.” Phil Davis and Callan Ward respond to criticism over players reaction to hubs.

GWS Giant Phil Davis has defended AFL players for being reluctant to resume the 2020 season in quarantine hubs away from their families.

 

Not a fan of the hub idea myself but this is just a stupid argument...

Nobody signed on to this year, we all thought we would have a certain life...but here we are and we will make the best of it as we can and do what we must do. All bets are off...

Being an AFL player doesn't make you immune from the world and it's problems.

Especially when we, the members, pay for a % of the $ that keeps the club afloat.

While I’m not to fussed about when sport restarts this is a strange argument from the players. No one wants to be in the current situation, yet here we are so let’s deal with it as it comes and get back to being able to earn a living where we can. 

  On 30/04/2020 at 14:26, ding said:

Finding it harder every day to respect the AFL and its players.

Dont want to play... no worries. Hand back every cent you have taken or intend to take for the rest of the season. 

Play 1 game, get paid for 1 game. 

"We as AFL players, undertook this contract in 2020, thinking we’d have a certain life, that’s what we agreed to and we signed the dotted line.”

Yeah, and the members signed up for a full season of games. You guys want to eat your cake and have it too (everyone gets that saying wrong)

 Im frankly sick of their whining when so many Australians would do almost anything to be back at work.

Bloody primadonas.

So if they are not getting paid, are you ok for them to do no training or any other work with the club?  And accept they'll be completely underdone when games resume? I too find their position annoying, but I do not believe they should hand back all their contract, I'd think 50-70% would be more likely. This may well be the case if the players opt out or the season is cancelled altogether. The AFLPA have talked about further contract cuts if delays continue beyond the date agreed upon (whenever that is)

Edited April 30, 20204 yr by Moonshadow

  On 30/04/2020 at 10:05, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

How does a ‘hub’ work away from families if the players can get out and about?  It’s a quarantine to limit potential expose to the virus.

 

Isn't the 'hub' idea about coping with interstate travel restrictions rather than local 'lockdown' (or quarantine) requirements? Once the players are in their 'hub' I just assume they'll be able to get outdoors as often as they need, as long as it's done in a responsible manner for a suitable reason (training) or with appropriate social distancing (social activities, consistent with whatever that State's rules are at the time).

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-01/nrl-and-afl-fans-demanding-a-lot-from-players-during-coronavirus/12203036

  On 01/05/2020 at 00:04, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Isn't the 'hub' idea about coping with interstate travel restrictions rather than local 'lockdown' (or quarantine) requirements? Once the players are in their 'hub' I just assume they'll be able to get outdoors as often as they need, as long as it's done in a responsible manner for a suitable reason (training) or with appropriate social distancing (social activities, consistent with whatever that State's rules are at the time).

The hub needs to keep players quarantined from the general public and possible sources of infection.  They can interact with each other, but not the general public - otherwise a hub can become a cluster.

Craig Bellamy is a National icon

 https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league/melbourne-storm-coach-craig-bellamy-bans-social-media-in-furious-blow-up-c-1010261

  On 30/04/2020 at 14:46, rjay said:

Being an AFL player doesn't make you immune from the world and it's problems.

Sure, but doesn't mean that you should just blindly go along with every hair-brained scheme that gets floated.

In any case, last time I looked, the players were impacted by all this as much if not more than the rest of us. Hard to see how they're "immune" from what's going on.

  On 01/05/2020 at 06:32, bing181 said:

Sure, but doesn't mean that you should just blindly go along with every hair-brained scheme that gets floated.

In any case, last time I looked, the players were impacted by all this as much if not more than the rest of us. Hard to see how they're "immune" from what's going on.

Do you work for Murdoch 'bing'???

Selective quoting. Here is what I said.

"Not a fan of the hub idea myself but this is just a stupid argument...

Nobody signed on to this year, we all thought we would have a certain life...but here we are and we will make the best of it as we can and do what we must do. All bets are off...

Being an AFL player doesn't make you immune from the world and it's problems."

I don't like the hub idea, but I think they need a better argument than 'we didn't sign up for this'...

The players are in no way impacted like many people who have no jobs, no income and nothing to go back to.

They don't get to fully do their jobs but they are still getting paid way above the average not to do them.

How are they impacted more than the rest of us?

NT putting their hands up for games, with crowds.

 

Please let it happen!

  On 01/05/2020 at 08:26, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

NT putting their hands up for games, with crowds.

 

Please let it happen!

I'm in the NT as well, so have the same selfish reasons to support the idea. On the surface, you can make a good case for it. Virus locally under control? Check (touch wood). Borders secure? Check. Much needed injection of cash into a flailing local economy? Check.

But looking at it rationally, I doubt it will happen.

Logistics aside - if the AFL were responsible for re-introducing the virus to the territory, the fallout (AFL and Government) would be massive. Granted, it's a very slight risk, but footballers are young and stupid and mistakes will inevitably be made.