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To Hell & Back: Episode 5

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  On 08/03/2020 at 10:46, DemonWheels said:

The game must get pretty tiresome if you live in it with that amount of detail as shown with so many coaches and reviews and meetings and rules about where you should be once the ball is turned over at point A, etc.

As much as I love it I think that would ruin it for me.

Yes, it's easy to see why guys like Chunk say they just want to enjoy playing footy again. It's a micro managed game these days. 

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    Hats off the the club.

    It really is a brilliant insight, totally engrossing.

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    Sensational production all round by the club. They really nailed everything about it, most importantly the tone of the series. Wasn't too focused on rehashing the negative but didn't overdo the forward looking focus either.

    Might be too much during the busyness of the season, but would be great to see a mini-doco, about the length of one of these episodes, every month or so, perhaps focusing on a certain player. It'd be great for fan engagement and may even help reduce some of the personal vitriol that gets thrown at players during the year on social media.

    Anyways, congrats to all involved in putting it together.

    Edited by Lord Nev

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    Whilst Viney did look highly disappointed, he should be proud that 35 of 45 players voted for him. Phenomenal demonstration of his leadership standing with his peers.

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      On 08/03/2020 at 11:01, dazzledavey36 said:

    Jack looked [censored] lol

    Well, it’s got to be a bitter pill to swallow, and it would definitely be a blow to the ego to find out in front of everyone that he wasn’t their number one. It also shows just how much he wants it and hopefully that will drive him on to bigger and better things. I did like the way that Goodwin handled what must have been a very awkward situation...even Max looked a little uncomfortable.

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    Should start with saying that I have really enjoyed the doco series, great insights. 
     

    maybe after 2019 like many fans I am searching for answers and so over thinking things but I thought there was some telling signs about a huge divide in 2019.

    very clear comments from Goodwin about players getting behind Viney to give him the chance to lead the best he can. Awkward for Viney no doubt to be in this situation - visibly uncomfortable. Followed up with Max noting that they don’t always see eye to eye. Again I realize I’m probably trying to find anything to explain what the hell happened last year but interesting choices of words none the less. 

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    All l am focused on is seeing Melbourne stepping in the the right direction. They have made the necessary changes and the new skipper sits well with me. Max and Jack are our prime leaders with the best of support behind them.

    I sense the readiness from the guys as round 1 can't come quick enough for them. Good times ahead.

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      On 08/03/2020 at 10:21, titan_uranus said:

    Good stuff.

    The focus in the meetings on the enjoyment the players got from being -60 in possessions in a low-scoring practice match is good to see IMO.

    Do you mean the camera angles (with the behind the goals camera from the North game)?

    I'm pretty sure there was a drone flying above during the game. I assumed it was Norths because it was their home ground. Must have been ours. 

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      On 08/03/2020 at 11:04, Sir Why You Little said:

    Yes he did....

    And then right at the end I saw that little bit of him moving on and almost that "I'll Bleed Red and Blue attitude.

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      On 08/03/2020 at 13:15, dworship said:

    And then right at the end I saw that little bit of him moving on and almost that "I'll Bleed Red and Blue attitude.

    Yes. It was a good cut. Those extra frames made a big difference. Cut 10 frames earlier and the context is completely different 

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      On 08/03/2020 at 13:22, Sir Why You Little said:

    Yes. It was a good cut. Those extra frames made a big difference. Cut 10 frames earlier and the context is completely different 

    That is a really good comment. So many people are mislead by " media editing" (no offence meant to the ABC)

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      On 08/03/2020 at 13:26, dworship said:

    That is a really good comment. So many people are mislead by " media editing" (no offence meant to the ABC)

    It’s what editing is all about. Frames at the beginning and end of a shot are crucial 

    It’s why i said at the beginning of this being shown, it has been put together by professionals with years of experience 

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      On 08/03/2020 at 13:26, dworship said:

    That is a really good comment. So many people are mislead by " media editing" (no offence meant to the ABC)

    When I first worked in the Newsroom i was taught very early to let a shot run long and then decide whether to trim it back or not, because body language or a final word could change everything, and once it was put to air that was how it would be remembered...

     

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      On 08/03/2020 at 10:46, DemonWheels said:

    The game must get pretty tiresome if you live in it with that amount of detail as shown with so many coaches and reviews and meetings and rules about where you should be once the ball is turned over at point A, etc.

    As much as I love it I think that would ruin it for me.

    It must be hard to go from a see ball get ball kid to have every moment analysed in slo mo. 
    One of the things I love about this game is seeing shy 18 year olds turn into confident 25 year olds. The kid with pimples and a squeaky voice becoming a man and at home with cameras, stupid questions and having to front up on footy shows. 
    I think the Koz show will be an interesting journey to watch, just for that reason 

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      On 08/03/2020 at 12:01, hardtack said:

    Well, it’s got to be a bitter pill to swallow, and it would definitely be a blow to the ego to find out in front of everyone that he wasn’t their number one. It also shows just how much he wants it and hopefully that will drive him on to bigger and better things. I did like the way that Goodwin handled what must have been a very awkward situation...even Max looked a little uncomfortable.

    They would have been told before, and asked if they wanted the jobs, surely?  The reveal was for everyone else.

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      On 08/03/2020 at 22:04, buck_nekkid said:

    They would have been told before, and asked if they wanted the jobs, surely?  The reveal was for everyone else.

     By “they”, if you mean Max and Jack, then yes, you may be right... but the reveal to the rest is still going to be painful.

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      On 08/03/2020 at 22:11, demonstone said:

    I'd never heard Viney called "Vin" until last night.   

    I noticed it at training a few years ago... players were calling “Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie”, and I assumed it was for Bernie Vince, but he was nowhere near that action...there was just Viney.

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    The episode with Kozzie on the beach with the gruelling training day was the best one I reckon, well done to the club for doing this documentary. And well done to the cinematographers and all involved with it, very professionally made.

    It's got me pumped for the real thing now, can't wait to see Maxy lead them out there for round one!

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      On 08/03/2020 at 08:40, bing181 said:

    Confirms yet again that the coaches watch a different game to us.

    Yeh was really interested in the off the ball zoning work filling up escape space that Plapp went through with Kossie. There would obviously never be footage of that on a broadcast and I doubt most of us would pick it up even if there was. 

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    Obviously heavily edited so you never know the full story but just a couple of things I would’ve preffered to see:

    Instead of Goodwin saying Viney needs your feedback I would’ve liked him to say Viney needs your love. He needs players to rally around him.

    And instead of Gawn being praised as an on field leader I’d like to see him praised for what he does off the field. One man can only do so much in the 2 hours on field. Building the culture off the field is far more important.

    The feedback after the North game was the best bit of the episode. Great positive reinforcement. 

    I wasn’t too worried about that stuff with Kozzie. Good teams are always defensively organised and communicating. Get everyone in the right spots and it becomes second nature and guys can then still play on instinct. 

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