Training Ground?

[No. 31 1,236]

Finally some movement on the Caulfield front, hopefully this odd chatter about Royal Park and Melbourne University a few pages back can now be covered by a Glen Eira morning fog ... really, that part of inner Northern Melbourne is the domain of another club, what was coming next, a proposal to develop Princes Park?!? 😁

Now, Caulfield certainly can create some synergies for the MRC, the Trust administering the area inside the race track and Melbourne FC. There is clearly enough room there to develop a modern, fit for 21st century purposes training facility for the Demons and now the club is openly discussing it means that negotiations have progressed to a certain stage where the parties think it is doable.

[picket fence 17,172]

5 hours ago, boydie said:

Neither of you are committed and still seeing other people.

Its like a Blind date between Colli Feral and an Eloi!

Dont like it one little bit!

[dpositive 1,665]

9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Its like a Blind date between Colli Feral and an Eloi!

Dont like it one little bit!

Could be a bit harsh PF,   but i do agree dont like it'

perhaps you could join us in looking for a Fishermans Bend feasibility project. come to the AGM.

[Mach5 4,767]

A Feasibility Report does represent a sizeable financial commitment towards the report itself, so you’d have to hope there’s some proper confidence it will proceed.

However I doubt they’ll expect the cost estimates we’ll receive (let alone the actual costs). The club will be basing their own estimates on the cost of Casey which will be outdated & not appropriate. For a similar facility at Caulfield my guess would be in the range of $100-120m.

[Dannyz 2,761]

10 hours ago, Redleg said:

Not to blow my own trumpet, but a few months before that, I said that Caulfield would happen, after a number of issues like length of lease/licence, community involvement and finance etc, were worked out.

But more importantly than who is breaking the news is of course the news itself.

Go Dees.

The point is around the comms from the club. Very slow and when it comes, clear caveats on why the fans shouldn't need to know. 

Thank you for your updates.

[Mach5 4,767]

21 minutes ago, Dannyz said:

The point is around the comms from the club. Very slow and when it comes, clear caveats on why the fans shouldn't need to know. 

Thank you for your updates.

Mushrooms. Par for the course with this group. If you think they treat the supporter base with contempt, you should hear how they talk about Casey.

Edited December 12, 2023 by Mach5

[picket fence 17,172]

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever.The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,939]

53 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever.The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

Good Crivens Picket,

I know it’s the festive season but 8:30am in the morning on a Wednesday is a bit early to be on the [censored]. Middle of nowhere. It’s only next to a train station that is a 10 minute trip from the city with 2 lines that junction from there. Next to a university. Five minutes drive from the biggest shopping centre in the country. A few kilometres from the south eastern freeway. It’s in the middle of built up suburbia. Not sure what box it doesn’t tick. I do love your Casey reports and I do quite like the Casey facility but please, “middle of nowhere”. The only thing it would be in the middle of………..is a race track.

Edited December 12, 2023 by Dee Viney Intervention

[Jaded No More 68,958]

24 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever.The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

Middle of nowhere? Wow

[george_on_the_outer 7,605]

39 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever.The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

NO snakes....but maybe you like them deep down?

[Demon Disciple 12,161]

40 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever. The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

Better there than Fisherman's bend or the western suburbs.

It's pretty close to Demon 'Heartland' and it's inner suburbs not out in the sticks like the Hawks with Waverley or Dingley.

[george_on_the_outer 7,605]

I don't know why a feasibility study is necessary......Is Caulfield feasible?   The answer is yes. 

If no then we are back to stone motherless nothing again.

Just get on with it. 

Caulfield was mooted for development years ago now.  Why hasn't such feasibility been carried out already, and long ago.  It has been claimed that the Board examined every spare/open space in 30 council areas?  That is feasibility and if true has been done.

 

From 2 years ago:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/caulfield-racecourse-unveils-570m-sports-entertainment-precinct-plan-20210413-p57iu8.html

Or is this just another ruse in the lead up to elections?

Edited December 12, 2023 by george_on_the_outer

[Demon Disciple 12,161]

7 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Caulfield was mooted for development years ago now.  Why hasn't such feasibility been carried out already, and long ago.  It has been claimed that the Board examined every spare/open space in 30 council areas?  That is feasibility and if true has been done.

 

You raise a good point George.

But better some information than none i guess. Though i wont be getting overly excited until they start turning over soil. 

[ElDiablo14 5,000]

14 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

You raise a good point George.

But better some information than none i guess. Though i wont be getting overly excited until they start turning over soil. 

Until the first stone is laid.

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,370]

LOL. At least it wasn’t an announcement on the feasibility of opening a feasibility study. 
 

It could just as easily have been an announcement that the feasibility study into the MCG precinct has now ended with the outcome being that it’s unfeasible. 

[dpositive 1,665]

1 hour ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Good Crivens Picket,

I know it’s the festive season but 8:30am in the morning on a Wednesday is a bit early to be on the [censored]. Middle of nowhere. It’s only next to a train station that is a 10 minute trip from the city with 2 lines that junction from there. Next to a university. Five minutes drive from the biggest shopping centre in the country. A few kilometres from the south eastern freeway. It’s in the middle of built up suburbia. Not sure what box it doesn’t tick. I do love your Casey reports and I do quite like the Casey facility but please, “middle of nowhere”. The only thing it would be in the middle of………..is a race track.

You may be correct. If its in the middle it would be a disaster, if its at one end or side with separate stands and access it might be fine, but it is still a minor portion of  separate industry site. would need very careful consideration which is indeed part of the feasibility study. Its still early days for the project which has some very attractive features.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,808]

14 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

I’m a total nuff on this kind of thing. But what exactly does an announcement about the go ahead for a feasibility study mean in real terms? explain it like i’m 5.

Or, explain it in relational terms.  i’m dating someone new. …. where am I at in this relationship? 

 

I suspect the "feasibility study" will justify a decision that's already been made. As a former senior public servant used to say, place your targets after you've seen where the arrows have landed.

To put it in dating parlance, you've already got the girl pregnant so now you're working out how to justify to others the need to get married.

[dpositive 1,665]

53 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Better there than Fisherman's bend or the western suburbs.

It's pretty close to Demon 'Heartland' and it's inner suburbs not out in the sticks like the Hawks with Waverley or Dingley.

Fishermans Bend is  on the fringe of CBD and a greenfield site. With projections of 80,000 population public transport and road access will be provided to satisfy the development. Theres no station there yet but train, tram,  light rail can all be provided. Theres access from freeways and Port Melbourne access seems effective. Port Melbourne is part of the heritage link, as is the link to the existing Ron Barrassi Snr oval to the west between FB and  Docklands. Theres ample room for all facilities but it does require some bold and imaginative action. MFC has led the way in the past and can continue by reclaiming its place as the Melbourne team located between the Port and the CBD, not suburban linked.

I am curious as to what is "demon heartland" definition. I say we are "Melbourne" and should be aligning and promoting ourselves as such.

Im happy to hear all comments and look forward to more information being provided so an informed decision can be made. The feasibility study is a great process.

[Demon Disciple 12,161]

@dpositive Demon heartland is generally considered to be the leafy eastern suburbs, Glen Iris and the like.

If you look at the rail lines on game day, the likes of Alamein & Glen Waverley lines are predominantly Melbourne supporters.

[dpositive 1,665]

24 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I suspect the "feasibility study" will justify a decision that's already been made. As a former senior public servant used to say, place your targets after you've seen where the arrows have landed.

To put it in dating parlance, you've already got the girl pregnant so now you're working out how to justify to others the need to get married.

Good analogy although i doubt that any pregnancy is possible as the Racing Industry wont want any progeny that isnt in its stable. Again a feasibility statement that provides the detail of the prenup and relationship conditions will be vital.

Agree also with public service advice, but thers not a lot of detail of any arrows fired.

[dpositive 1,665]

2 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

@dpositive Demon heartland is generally considered to be the leafy eastern suburbs, Glen Iris and the like.

If you look at the rail lines on game day, the likes of Alamein & Glen Waverley lines are predominantly Melbourne supporters.

Theres a new cohort coming to FB (80,000 predicted). Many likely to be unaligned new migrants. Plus our eastern suburb demographic may be decreasing with age, and family  recruitment is diffused as housing requirements change. Theres a lot of social change going on and it is important that we as a club acknowledge that. It could be that Caulfield does represent some attraction to Melbourne supportersand could become known as Melbourne centeal.

I dont see the Racing industry giving up the differentiation between the Caulfielld and Melbourne cups and will want to retain that strong marketing identity. We should do the same with Melbourne.

[Deebauched 1,220]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Caulfield Racecourse would be the worst idea and training base ever.The middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere!🤮

Are you sure about that?  I havent lived in OZ for a while but isnt Caulfield on the fringe of the inner suburbs?  There are loads of Thai students in Melbourne. Many will be at Chisholm campus. Its not in the middle of nowhere.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Deebauched

[drysdale demon 4,837]

18 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Theres a new cohort coming to FB (80,000 predicted). Many likely to be unaligned new migrants. Plus our eastern suburb demographic may be decreasing with age, and family  recruitment is diffused as housing requirements change. Theres a lot of social change going on and it is important that we as a club acknowledge that. It could be that Caulfield does represent some attraction to Melbourne supportersand could become known as Melbourne centeal.

I dont see the Racing industry giving up the differentiation between the Caulfielld and Melbourne cups and will want to retain that strong marketing identity. We should do the same with Melbourne.

In racing parlance, I think you are "whipping a dead horse" with your Fishermen's Bend proposal.

[Sick2deeath 15]

If the new club rooms and training ground are not within walking distance of the G please don’t waste time, resource's or our money 

Leaving the ground after a win or loss I want a short walk to our club rooms to have quiet or loud beer with my brethren 

anything else is a Big NO

[DeeSpencer 25,717]

43 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Fishermans Bend is  on the fringe of CBD and a greenfield site. With projections of 80,000 population public transport and road access will be provided to satisfy the development. Theres no station there yet but train, tram,  light rail can all be provided. Theres access from freeways and Port Melbourne access seems effective. Port Melbourne is part of the heritage link, as is the link to the existing Ron Barrassi Snr oval to the west between FB and  Docklands. Theres ample room for all facilities but it does require some bold and imaginative action. MFC has led the way in the past and can continue by reclaiming its place as the Melbourne team located between the Port and the CBD, not suburban linked.

I am curious as to what is "demon heartland" definition. I say we are "Melbourne" and should be aligning and promoting ourselves as such.

Im happy to hear all comments and look forward to more information being provided so an informed decision can be made. The feasibility study is a great process.

Is there a way we can band together and start a gofundme to get you to stop carrying on about Fishermen’s Friends.

The club has a very real thing happening at Caulfield.