TRAINING: Monday 25th November 2019

[Demonland 66,606]

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If there are any trackwatchers at training this morning we'd love an update. Thanks in advance.

Upcoming AFL training sessions

Date: Monday 25 November
Start time: 10.30am
Location: Gosch's Paddock

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Getting to Gosch's Paddock

Public transport
Gosch's Paddock is located a short walk from Richmond train station. Jolimont station is also located a 10 minute walk away.

Tram route 70 also stops near the ground at AAMI Park (stop 7D). Tram route 48 and 75 are also located in the vicinity near Jolimont Station.

Bus 246 (Latrobe Uni - Elsternwick Station) travels down Punt Road, stops at the corner of Olympic Blvd. From here patrons can walk to Gosch's Paddock.

Read more about public transport here.

Parking info
Non-event car parking is available opposite AAMI Park at the National Tennis Centre. See more info here.

[DeeSpencer 23,510]

Another training, another overly zealous drill for November. Another important player walking off with hopefully nothing more than a shoulder stinger.

I held my breath through the whole drill and they didn’t quite make it. 

[AllMyTeamsAreWank 563]

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Another training, another overly zealous drill for November. Another important player walking off with hopefully nothing more than a shoulder stinger.

I held my breath through the whole drill and they didn’t quite make it. 

C'mon DeeSpencer. Don't play hard to get. 

[AshleyH30 566]

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Another training, another overly zealous drill for November. Another important player walking off with hopefully nothing more than a shoulder stinger.

I held my breath through the whole drill and they didn’t quite make it. 

Despite what you may think, if they're going to get injured, I would rather that they get injured in November than Jan or Feb. Could they also be doing these "overly zealous" drills to condition themselves for training in Jan and Feb so these injuries don't occur?

Edited November 24, 2019 by AshleyH30

[DeeSpencer 23,510]

The injured player has had a couple of tablets and a looking over and is up and gently jogging in runners.

Personally I’d ice his shoulder immediately and start the recovery period rather than having him run. 

Might have to call Dr Brukner and see if I can book an emergency appointment for my own anxiety. 

[McQueen 17,864]

WHO dammit?

[rjay 24,067]

13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Another training, another overly zealous drill for November. Another important player walking off with hopefully nothing more than a shoulder stinger.

I held my breath through the whole drill and they didn’t quite make it. 

Most of our list couldn't do full contact training last preseason.

How well did that go for us?

[Demonland 66,606]

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The injured player has had a couple of tablets and a looking over and is up and gently jogging in runners.

Personally I’d ice his shoulder immediately and start the recovery period rather than having him run. 

Might have to call Dr Brukner and see if I can book an emergency appointment for my own anxiety. 

So you're not going to tell us who it was?

[Dee Zephyr 18,088]

Failing to understand why we aren’t told which player has hurt his shoulder. 

[Gawn's Beard 336]

Anyone else at training who can confirm whether there is anything in this mystery shoulder injury or if it’s all part of the same rhetoric we’ve been reading ever since preseason began?

[drysdale demon 4,227]

53 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Another training, another overly zealous drill for November. Another important player walking off with hopefully nothing more than a shoulder stinger.

I held my breath through the whole drill and they didn’t quite make it. 

They can play scrabble in november and december if you prefer

[DeeSpencer 23,510]

Sorry all. Was waiting to see how much running Christian Petracca got through and with what level of discomfort before providing a name. Then got called away before I could update.

 

[DeeSpencer 23,510]

The drill that I disliked - and the only drill I disliked from the whole session - involved 4 attackers having to get from one end of a 40 by 25m rectangle by handball opposed to 3 defenders. A pretty simple drill in many ways.

But in was done at an incredibly fast pace and personally whilst I liked that it was with good intensity I thought it bordered on a level of danger that didn't meet the risk reward.

There were 4 teams of 3 defenders - green, white, red, pink and everyone else was in groups of 4 attacking. So the rotations were at a break neck speed. Attacking wave comes in to the box with green team defending, gets to the other end, a new attacking wave comes right back the other way against the white defensive trio. 

Petracca had a vicious sidestep that left Lockhart on the ground like a basketball player missing a step. Chandler impressed. Some guys really ran and broke the line before the defenders could get organised. Salem did Salem things - just a subtle dip and poise and then a perfectly released handball. But there were defenders sprinting in to make players and clunking in to blocks and tackles at awkward angles. Especially as fatigue set in it all became a bit scrappy and overly willing. 

I didn't see what happened to Petracca but May went over and had a quick chat after he was assessed by a rather pregnant lady. Definitely restricted in his left shoulder. 

A couple of tablets then on to the repeat 200's for the rest of the session. Not a lot of arm swing in his left arm when running.

Really I don't understand why it wasn't in for immediate treatment. You can't win the flag in November but you can lose it. 45 minutes of training surely isn't going to be the difference between fit enough for a breakout midfield season or not. 

Anyway, just my opinion. And I'll repeat again - it was the only drill that I saw in the best part of 90 minutes that I thought didn't pass the risk/reward ratio for November training.

Edited November 25, 2019 by DeeSpencer

[DeeSpencer 23,510]

Anyway. Got there at about 9:40. 40 minutes late or 50 minutes early. Melbourne traffic...

Rehab:
Baker doing some kind of backwards walk with a trainer and elastic bands
Hannan having a wander around the boundary
Tomlinson - who looks very fit and light - jogging, headed off pretty early
Petty, Vanders, Bradtke doing sprints
 

No Melksham, KK or Spargo that I could see.

First drill I really paid attention to was a 5 on 3 kicking in a 50 by 50 box. The group I had included Gus Brayshaw in the 43 jumper. Honestly it suits him, the 4 and 3 both have nice shapes that work with his angular body and face. I think he should keep it permanently. He doesn't look as thin as say Harmes and Oliver but he has nice muscle definition in the upper body and nothing extra through the hips that I could see. He was kicking accurately off both sides.

Then it was in to 8 on 6 short ball movement in two different groups up either wings. Sharp work from all that I saw.

Then it was time for in tight handballing, with 2 different divisions split in either half of the centre square. I like a nice burst from Toby Bedford where he escaped from traffic.I actually think he does his best work around stoppages.

They mixed it up with the same kind of drill but up and down each wing for about 50m getting quick hands. Langdon was a standout from what I saw, both with the ball and defensively he's really sharp to move contest to contest. Salem. James Jordon. Oliver involved in everything as usual. Again, very sharp stuff.

By this stage Jetta, Weideman and Nietschke were split off to do some rehab stuff. Marking and then the old fashion keepings off with 1 guy with the ball, 1 blocking, 1 chasing. Nietschke more than held his own blocking or chasing, he's a willing lad. Joel Smith and Lever also sat out some of the main stuff for some kick/mark rehab work. Lever, Jetta, Nietschke, Weideman all went back in the main groups later. Petty, Vanders, Bradkte and Joel Smith did some leading and kicking, then some good running before finishing up. Bradtke can kick a lovely drop punt for a tall.

The main group moved in to the british bulldog injury drill as mentioned above. Whilst T Mc, Preuss and Gawn did marking with Matty Egan.

Jason Taylor in attendance and looking very comfortable. He always strikes me as very tall. And has very small lower calves, I can't confirm if he has donated his calves to Harley B. Mahoney, Matty Whelan, Shagger Byrnes all floating around. Kelly O'Donnell watching intently with binoculars. 

Line groups did some specific stuff. Defenders one on one marking and a quick handball then kick to a fellow defender back leading for an exit kick. 

Finally in to match sim. It was toward the end of a long session but it was noticeable how after short burst of match sim how stuffed the players were. Footy hey, it hurts. Nibbler snapped a nice goal. Some sloppy mistakes down to fatigued I'm sure and it was blowing. Overall not too disappointed with it. The standout player who was finding space for marks, hitting targets and constantly letting dangerous.....well maybe I'll keep that for myself for now, you guys seem to like the suspense.?

 

[kev martin 9,323]

 

Training began just after 9 am.

Jordan Lewis was with the coaches.

Richardson was making connections with individual players.

Different types of warm-ups and drill stations to keep them on their toes and interested.

Rehab had the same three in it.

Kade Kolodjasni, Jake Melksham nor Charlie Spargo were with the squad.

In a competitive drill Christian Pettraca hurt his right shoulder.

Four medical staff assessed it. They gave him the pills and got him running several 200 to 250 meter sprints. He continued to carry the arm and winced when he took his jumper off.

Tom Mcdonald required some work on his lower back. The spray and strapping was applied and he continued training.

Ed Langdon had a little work on his right calf.

Adam Tomlinson running laps.

Oskar Baker walking. Mitch Hannan mainly walking. Joel Smith doing his own program and participated in some minimal contact drills.

Kade Chandler was back to normal training.

Our ball handling in the drills looked good.

The congested simulations are a great place for the coaches to explain the cause of turnovers.

I think it was Chaplin who said, 'slow and loopy'.

Neville Jetta, Sam Wiedeman, Jake Lever and Aaron  Nietschke on for the 3/4 field simulations.

I was impressed with:

Angus Brayshaw acceleration, change of directions, creating separation through the centre of the field. He was in number 43 as his number 10 had been ripped in the last couple of outings.

Nathan Jones decision-making, communication and delivery into the full forwards with flat punts.

Tom Mcdonald leading and moving well.

Bayley Fritsch rolling, changes in directions, making it hard for the back men and leads into unseen spaces.

Neville for forcing multiple entries.

James Harmes learning from Neville, Hibbs and coaches about space and release. 

Michael Hibberd doing some coaching in his group.

Oscar Mcdonald getting to the contest.

Jake Lever, Michael Hibberd and Marty Hore for their communication, reading the play, getting to the contest and picking up the loose player.

A couple of times the mids got caught in the early stages of the 3/4 simulation Nathan wasn't happy, given the amount of work he did to make position. I have noticed he is a bit more grumpy this time round.   

They are building well.

I left training just as they were going into their running programs.

Edited November 25, 2019 by kev martin

[dazzledavey36 49,418]

Brilliant as usual @DeeSpencer and @kev martin

[old55 21,750]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

I didn't see what happened to Petracca but May went over and had a quick chat after he was assessed by a rather pregnant lady. Definitely restricted in his left shoulder. 

 

Hope Petracca doesn't catch that - definitely season ending.

[kev martin 9,323]

Pettraca was certainly hurt and hurting.

The test I think showed that he had full shoulder movement, appeared to be able to perform all ranges. 

So my guess is there is no structural damage.

Can see him being held off a bit with the contact and ball work for the next couple of weeks.

[Matt Demon 1,389]

21 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Pettraca was certainly hurt and hurting.

The test I think showed that he had full shoulder movement, appeared to be able to perform all ranges. 

So my guess is there is no structural damage.

Can see him being held off a bit with the contact and ball work for the next couple of weeks.

The exact thing happened with Oliver on Friday and he returned with the red hat on. 

[Dingo 842]

I was standing near CP5 when he left the ground.He was rubbing his arm but did not appear to be in much pain.He walked over to a lady who was sitting down watching training.She stood up and they hugged and sat down and talked.Trac looked ok to me.

[DeeSpencer 23,510]

I was surprised Oliver came back so quickly, but less surprised because it’s Oliver. And I don’t expect Petracca to miss significant time.

But I think we’ve had a couple of warning signs with 2 of our best players being at a minimum very sore. 

Otherwise I think the intensity and work ethic is really good and the coaches are running the right kind of drills. Attacking quick hands with plenty of run. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,187]

Thanks for the reports again!

 

I can see the rationale behind these high intensity drills.  If we want to beat Richmond next year, we need to be able to match their physical intensity and execute our skills when under their immense pressure.

[Youngwilliam 380]

Now is a good time to assess where everyone is at and who needs more work.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

 

I think it was Chaplin who said, 'slow and loopy'.

 

I really hope he was talking about a passage of play rather than describing one of our players.

Great reports Kev, DeeSpencer and others. Thanks.

[Sir Why You Little 34,980]

It is a Collision Sport. Hard and Brutal. The odd injury will happen. I have no problem with Training at Match Hard Levels.
Watch September Footy, that level of toughness, both mentally and Physically needs to be Second Nature. 
 

Soft Tissue injuries are a different matter, they can be controlled a lot more. I don’t want to see those over Summer

Edited November 25, 2019 by Sir Why You Little