TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2019

[Demon trucker 1,800]

15 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Complete and utter bollocks

Underdone my [censored]

Yeah your right, but too many think your a fanboy and give the players too many warps, I am not one of them, but I think as long as he does his 100 100 with his brother at Christmas time then he will have a good year.

[tappysquads 618]

47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Intercept marks are the marks that matter for key defenders, I would've thought that was obvious.

Otherwise you are just pointing out that he can play kick to kick without dropping the ball. Wonderful. If the Suns are so bad at giving away inside 50's then why isn't he taking more intercept marks? The balls coming in a million times a game.

Watch him play this year and see if he spills a few that it looks like he should hold.

I think you will find top teams have more intercept marks, due to their midfield pressure and structures being more successful. If the ball comes in on a platter like it did at GC, pretty hard to do much more than being it to ground at best. 

[Nelo 813]

2 hours ago, Hampton 22 said:

AVB would have to be the most rehabilitated player in the history of the MFC. 

For sure. Reckon Tingay would be up there too. 

[58er 6,422]

5 hours ago, Deespicable said:

Baker has a groin injury and hopes to resume straight after X-mas.

Spargo injured his ankle ligament last Friday - unless he did them badly, should be back next week.

I think Petty had a minor knee clean-up post-season.

Not sure why Smith wasn't there, but he looked really strong last Friday. He has bulked up more and was working with backs - if fit will play on Jack Darling in Rd 1 IMO.

Most impressive today was Ed Langdon - ran hard, kicked well and looked eager.

No let's not revisit Joel Smith on the two Gunn forwards !

(Prelim Final) that's asking too much.

Darling as now the No 1 needs May and Kennedy who has probably slipped a little with Oscar, or Petty or Brown. 

Smith the third tall but really we need to try him up forward .

We need our most creative players up forward when resting eg Harmes Gus Trac Viney And Clarry,

Also Vanders  And Smith.

[monoccular 17,418]

10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Oliver’s just busted his left shoulder in a live tackling drill.

you can’t fix stupid. 

OMG.   The sky is falling.

And are you suggesting 5at they don’t do live tackling drills, but rather just try it for the first time in a real match?

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9 hours ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

How does Langdon look?

Rather like most of us - he open his eyelids and let’s the light hit his retina.

7 hours ago, Nudge said:

Why fascinating? Played there and well late last year and BMAC said recently that’s one thing they found Kate last year as a win for 2020 structure so that’s where he was always gonna be! Pinch hit in Mid when required but with Langdon/Tomlinson Vanders & Jordon likely ins next year (Mark my words On Jordon, he’s going to be a designated kicker & will play from R1 All going well) 

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5 hours ago, kev martin said:

Yes, pre-incident. It happened about 15 to 20 minutes before the end of the full session. I think he will be ok as he wasn't making much of it. He also waited around for his mates to finish up.

PS. They all went off to eat lunch together at a buffet.  

 

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

Only on Demonland can you get such detailed reports.

 

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I beg to differ. If it was a detailed report we'd not only know where they went for lunch but what each person had. And who paid.

I guess most interest would historically be around how much of what did CP5 eat?

[ding 5,126]

44 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I was making a comment about Goody and Toby.

Also I believe is is not quite ready for the big stage.

Again preseason, and who knows.

Saty, just ask him.

Dont let the digs get to you, he cant stand someone else stealing his thunder and was always going to turn on you.

Your reports are gold, and one of the sites best features. Keep it up Kev.

[Satyriconhome 10,813]

5 minutes ago, ding said:

Saty, just ask him.

Dont let the digs get to you, he cant stand someone else stealing his thunder and was always going to turn on you.

Your reports are gold, and one of the sites best features. Keep it up Kev.

I can, Kev knows that, his reports are excellent, just didn't agree with his comments on Bedford, which I am allowed to express, same as you

It's pl re season I saw 10 dropped marks today

[Satyriconhome 10,813]

56 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Yeah your right, but too many think your a fanboy and give the players too many warps, I am not one of them, but I think as long as he does his 100 100 with his brother at Christmas time then he will have a good year.

He just completed a gruelling nearly 3 hour session in 30 degree heat, didn't even look that exhausted when he stopped to get my opinion on the mo he is growing for Movember

As I said par for the course on this site, utter bollocks

[kev martin 9,869]

35 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

It's pl re season I saw 10 dropped marks today

Though how many infront of the coach as he supervised the drill.

Tom Mcdonald, hits the bag holds position and straight lines the ball. Goody's response, 'nobody will be able to get around those shoulders'

Jake Melksham slammed the bag and made separation. Goody's response, 'good body work' .

Toby timed well off the bag but missed the mark and leap completely. Nearly took it with his elbows. Goody just looked at me.

Needs to repeat and repeat, and get rid of any anxiety if that is his concern.  

[Moonshadow 17,676]

Great reports @kev martin. Best I've ever read.

Much appreciated, please keep it up.

[DeeSpencer 25,669]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

OMG.   The sky is falling.

And are you suggesting 5at they don’t do live tackling drills, but rather just try it for the first time in a real match?

Clayton Oliver’s laid more tackles and won more contested ball than any player his age in the modern era.

Absolute nonsense to have him aggressively tackling and tackled in November. 

Save that for Feb/March.

They can still do wresting and grabbing drills and whatever else they need to train tackling. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

Thanks for the reports @kev martin. I use to enjoy getting down to training when I lived in Melbourne, living in the West now obviously I can’t make it, your reports are the next best thing. 

[dazzledavey36 54,834]

I will be in mourning when @kev martin goes on long service. By far the best training reports alongside @DeeSpencer as well.

Just keep calling it as you see it boys.

[kev martin 9,869]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

He just completed a gruelling nearly 3 hour session in 30 degree heat, didn't even look that exhausted when he stopped to get my opinion on the mo he is growing for Movember

As I said par for the course on this site, utter bollocks

I thought he was just going through the motions, even half a step behind at the moment. Also looked a little 'heavier' than usual.

It is an opinion! I can be wrong and often am but that's how I formed it.

You see it that he was out there for 3 hrs and minimal exhaustion at the end.

I was looking at it from a higher standard the  perspective of a professional athlete. I think he has even more upside. 

However, I believe it is a positive thing for him. Hope he had some enjoyable time away from sport and is ready to recreate his 2018 season and work into a good pre-season. 

What's my opinion got to do with this 'site'? I am completely independent as everyone is and the site acts only as a facilitator.

[Satyriconhome 10,813]

38 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I thought he was just going through the motions, even half a step behind at the moment. Also looked a little 'heavier' than usual.

It is an opinion! I can be wrong and often am but that's how I formed it.

You see it that he was out there for 3 hrs and minimal exhaustion at the end.

I was looking at it from a higher standard the  perspective of a professional athlete. I think he has even more upside. 

However, I believe it is a positive thing for him. Hope he had some enjoyable time away from sport and is ready to recreate his 2018 season and work into a good pre-season. 

What's my opinion got to do with this 'site'? I am completely independent as everyone is and the site acts only as a facilitator.

I think you are getting caught up in the veil of negativity that pervades this site

I would be very disappointed if Goodwin wasn't [censored] off with a dropped mark

To single a guy out in his second year and first full pre season was I thought poor form

I think with a full pre season under his belt, he coukd be challenging for a spot, along with many others

I was more concerned with the sitter James Harmes put down, NOT  it's pre season

And even if Mahoney says the 17 ops last year are reasons, I still think they are excuses

3 of the op guys came in the top 5 of the B&F, what does that say about the rest

And Brayshaw is fine

[kev martin 9,869]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

I think you are getting caught up in the veil of negativity that pervades this site

 

I don't believe I am overly negative.

Both were as responses to other people and not from my direct report.

First with Angus. Many have come back to training in ripper condition. Mostly those who have, had an interrupted season. What's so bad about being a bit under done at the start of preseason. He will get the boxes ticked, as they say. Also, means he has a bit of a life out of sport, which gives him a clear advantage in his mental health. As well as giving his body a break from peak hormones and pushing the physical edge. I expect and hope most of them to come back under done, for their sanity and a better physical state.

So I don't get your overreaction at it being a negative when I suggest that he is underdone.

Have you done much training in your life?

I am nearly 60 and playing some modified AFL and soccer. Also, overweight but that comes from not being able to enjoy physicality as regularly as I wish due to body pains and that I enjoy food. Will give any sport a go, have had heavy training schedules and have constantly played all of my life. So I have a fair understanding of my own body and it's needs.

With Toby, I was chatting to DeeSpencer about the need for technique and repetitions in training, and he used him as an example. So I jumped on Tobys boat as I saw him struggling with the pressures that heavy scrutiny brings.

To suggest that I'm falling into 'negativity' because I respond to others in an open forum!

What's wrong with criticism anyhow, you do it. I

f you're such a positive human why use accusation towards me, bollocks, par for the course on this site and calling me negative.

Practice what you preach and be a ray of sunshine not only to MFC insiders but to the wider community.

If you can't walk the walk, past your selectivity then mate please don't throw your testicles about. Unless, you are trying to offend. Then well done.

We are what we perceive in others, because if we didn't experience it is hard to recognise it.

[Kent 2,909]

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I think you are getting caught up in the veil of negativity that pervades this site

I would be very disappointed if Goodwin wasn't [censored] off with a dropped mark

To single a guy out in his second year and first full pre season was I thought poor form

I think with a full pre season under his belt, he coukd be challenging for a spot, along with many others

I was more concerned with the sitter James Harmes put down, NOT  it's pre season

And even if Mahoney says the 17 ops last year are reasons, I still think they are excuses

3 of the op guys came in the top 5 of the B&F, what does that say about the rest

And Brayshaw is fine

Dont often agree Saty but agree with this

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

Sooo..... any updates on Oliver? I am more concerned with his shoulder than Toby Bedford dropping a few marks. 

[kev martin 9,869]

 

I don't quite understand those calling out the derailment of the training thread.

Did I do that to too much of an extent?

Most of my replies had some associated training opinions in them.

How about making a statement about some issues mentioned instead of saying you don't want to read some stuff?

For example :

Mental and physical health issue associated with being all about maintaining high physical conditions in the off season?

Taking pot shots at our younger players, is it OK?

What gets the best out of players in training methods?

The problems associated with fans being critical or negative on social networks?

Goody's method of encouragement and praise, with keeping the negative to himself?

The words to Tom about his shoulders and positioning, I enjoyed that.

Don't be like Saty and dribble at my opinions with bollocks, [censored] and others with 'derailment'.

Play the subject and not the person.

This is the last response I will make about defending myself. I hope to your relief and apologise for boring you.

Edited November 21, 2019 by kev martin

[Grapeviney 9,716]

35 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Play the subject and not the person.

Yep, let's stick to the footy please. People are sick of training threads being derailed by the same petty personal arguments, over and over.

We're lucky to have multiple track-watchers filling reports. If you don't like a person's content, put them on ignore.

Posts which bait or critique other posters (or the site) will be deleted, and bans handed out. 

First and final warning to all. 

[Demonland 72,116]

I'll reiterate and expand on what Grapeviney has said. It is ok to disagree with someone and argue a point but play the ball and not the man.

The majority of us just want to hear reports from training. The majority of us know how to sort the wheat from the chaff. Please put posters on ignore if you don't like the content.

[kev martin 9,869]

3 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Sooo..... any updates on Oliver? I am more concerned with his shoulder than Toby Bedford dropping a few marks. 

I think we will find out tomorrow morning, as an open training has been scheduled by the club. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,021]

18 hours ago, Skuit said:

Love it. $2 innovation. 

My first day of film school the lecturer asked what the most important 'role' on a set was. 

Then pulled out a roll of gaffa tape. 

We had to carry one around with us at all times. 

The Grip