Jack is growing into the role of leader.  Great initiative by him for helping with the young guys fitness and relationship building.

Sounds like Burgess has the team working hard in the off-season.  Great base from which to start the pre-season.

Turing into a real leader, can't believe people want him to step down, he may not be a polished speaker in the media but he bleeds for the club and that the first thing you need as your captain, think a combination of Viney and Maxy compliment each other perfectly. With T Mac as Vice.

Wonder if we will have just one Captain this year ?

5 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Turing into a real leader, can't believe people want him to step down, he may not be a polished speaker in the media but he bleeds for the club and that the first thing you need as your captain, think a combination of Viney and Maxy compliment each other perfectly. With T Mac as Vice.

For mine, directing players and showing what we should be doing are the first things we need in a captain. Bleeding for the club doesn't improve our delivery inside 50, turnovers or spread.

Great that he's doing a Beamer in the offseason, but I'll be more happy when he starts to communicate well on the field and stops being the worst user inside 50 in the comp.

 

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

For mine, directing players and showing what we should be doing are the first things we need in a captain. Bleeding for the club doesn't improve our delivery inside 50, turnovers or spread.

Great that he's doing a Beamer in the offseason, but I'll be more happy when he starts to communicate well on the field and stops being the worst user inside 50 in the comp.

 

We can't hear what he says on the field... he tracked at 71% disposal efficiency this season just above AFL average, when the team's playing poorly all the clangers stand out more, with a full preseason he will go to another level 

1 minute ago, Rednblueriseing said:

We can't hear what he says on the field... he tracked at 71% disposal efficiency this season just above AFL average, when the team's playing poorly all the clangers stand out more, with a full preseason he will go to another level 

Champion Data had a very detailed and contextualized stat about effective kicks inside 50, Viney was rated as the worst in the league.

Disposal efficiency is a very poor stat that has very little context around it and technically you can have a turnover count as an "effective disposal" in certain circumstances.

Sure, we can't hear what he says, but being at games you can see that he doesn't talk to other players very much, and I've rarely seen him giving direction on the field.

Just my opinion, but "bleeding for the club" is close to last on the list as far as our leadership needs go.

 

This is all well and good, as long as he didn't eat an ice-cream!

24 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Champion Data had a very detailed and contextualized stat about effective kicks inside 50, Viney was rated as the worst in the league.

Disposal efficiency is a very poor stat that has very little context around it and technically you can have a turnover count as an "effective disposal" in certain circumstances.

Sure, we can't hear what he says, but being at games you can see that he doesn't talk to other players very much, and I've rarely seen him giving direction on the field.

Just my opinion, but "bleeding for the club" is close to last on the list as far as our leadership needs go.

 

I think you will find any off the 18 clubs would have a fit JV in their 22, at 18 he walk into a club on its knees and flew the flag along with Jones.

Nat Jones decided to concentrate on footy for his last couple seasons, but you can't take the captaincy away from Viney now. The MFC already did this to Grimes and Trenners. Getting back to the article you will see he has leadership qualities and is only getting better. We don't have a Selwood or Pendelbury, but we can look after our young up and coming leader and produce our own version 

56 minutes ago, Ohio USA - David said:

Wonder if we will have just one Captain this year ?

If we do, it should be Gawn, not Viney.

I'm team Jack. I love his attitude, i love his desire, i love his aggressive nature. I think it takes a while to be a good captain, and i think he can be that, he has plenty of footy left in him and i think he will thrive now that there is no Nathan Jones, it's his capatincy now, Max might join, but its his.

 

Go back and watch his finals in 2018, coming off hardly any gametime or prep, he was huge. 

3 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

I think you will find any off the 18 clubs would have a fit JV in their 22, at 18 he walk into a club on its knees and flew the flag along with Jones.

Nat Jones decided to concentrate on footy for his last couple seasons, but you can't take the captaincy away from Viney now. The MFC already did this to Grimes and Trenners. Getting back to the article you will see he has leadership qualities and is only getting better. We don't have a Selwood or Pendelbury, but we can look after our young up and coming leader and produce our own version 

Oh yeah, look not having a crack at Viney, he's one of my favourite players on and off, more just talking about areas we need help with as far as leadership goes and weaknesses (IMO) that I'd love to see him improve upon.

FWIW I think Viney will still be a co-captain next year, along with Gawn, and I hope we improve the support for him with more 'directional' type leaders and Jack himself starts to work on that area.

 

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Disappointed to open this article full of words. What are they doing in the water with snorkel gear on? After what they put us supporters through this year what do they think this is, a holiday? They should be training.

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Champion Data had a very detailed and contextualized stat about effective kicks inside 50, Viney was rated as the worst in the league.

Disposal efficiency is a very poor stat that has very little context around it and technically you can have a turnover count as an "effective disposal" in certain circumstances.

Sure, we can't hear what he says, but being at games you can see that he doesn't talk to other players very much, and I've rarely seen him giving direction on the field.

Just my opinion, but "bleeding for the club" is close to last on the list as far as our leadership needs go.

 

I think you will find any off the 18 clubs would have a fit JV in their 22, at 18 he walk into a club on its knees and flew the flag along with Jones.

Nat Jones decided to concentrate on footy for his last couple seasons, but you can't take the captaincy away from Viney now. The MFC already did this to Grimes and Trenners. Getting back to the article you will see he has leadership qualities and is only getting better. We don't have a Selwood or Pendelbury, but we can look after our young up and coming leader and produce our own version 

40 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Oh yeah, look not having a crack at Viney, he's one of my favourite players on and off, more just talking about areas we need help with as far as leadership goes and weaknesses (IMO) that I'd love to see him improve upon.

FWIW I think Viney will still be a co-captain next year, along with Gawn, and I hope we improve the support for him with more 'directional' type leaders and Jack himself starts to work on that area.

 

Can't argue with that

46 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I'm team Jack. I love his attitude, i love his desire, i love his aggressive nature. I think it takes a while to be a good captain, and i think he can be that, he has plenty of footy left in him and i think he will thrive now that there is no Nathan Jones, it's his capatincy now, Max might join, but its his.

 

Go back and watch his finals in 2018, coming off hardly any gametime or prep, he was huge. 

Can't remember if it was 2017 or 18 but he played a game against West coast and was enormous had nearly 40 touches and killed them hope he gets back to that

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by Rednblueriseing

Jack is an amazing 'lead from the front/follow me' type.  Some stand out games were vs Crows in 2017 when Jesse had been diagnosed with cancer and couldn't play.  He revved the team into a frenzy and played like mad men!  Then the 2018 finals series speak for themselves. 

He is now showing maturity and 'good shepherd' leadership characteristics in this northern training trip.  And I vividly recall he sitting with the inconsolable Weideman in the change rooms after Sam missed the set shot that would have won a game this year.   I wouldn't be surprised if there were other relationship building things he does which we will never see.

We know his leadership weaknesses but it is up to the club to give him a) the media training to represent the club without putting people to sleep and/or have a co-captain eg Max who excels at that; and b) the education to develop his footy IQ and ensure the 'generals' we have (May, Lever etc) get actively involved with Viney during games.

 

Good teams need backline generals who can see the game unfolding and have the time and space to direct play. It’s vital to have at least 1 and ideally more players who can provide structure and we have May and Lever. 

Midfielders and forwards have to get their stoppages and starting points right but after that they have to dictate play and the game moves so quickly outside of stoppages I’m not sure how much field marshaling is achievable. 

Viney has to be smarter with the ball but we need most of our mids and forwards to do the same and to be well coached. 

The off field leadership sets the tone of the club and Richmond and GWS were both great examples - as were WCE and Coll - that a positive well led club goes a long way to onfield success. 

Sparrow, Spargo and Petty - a random 3 guys who put their names up? Or 3 players on the fringe of the 22 who could all be important players if they make a leap?

3 hours ago, chookrat said:

Disappointed to open this article full of words. What are they doing in the water with snorkel gear on? After what they put us supporters through this year what do they think this is, a holiday? They should be training.

Waiting for sharks to snap at their heels.

Sounds like a completely different start to the pre-season than last year, when at this time at least half of the first 22 were recovering from various surgeries.  If the training plans are already underway and the guys are doing this plus ‘extra bike sessions’ etc, we should start pre-season in such a better spot than last year.  Jack taking some youngsters North to train in more humid/hot conditions to increase the load is a very clear demonstration of leadership.  I imagine the pressure is on for him to keep the captaincy, with Max snapping at his heels for either a share or the full mantle.  Good to see him stepping up and leading.

Good on Viney for showing some really strong leadership here. I have certainly been very critical of him this year.

Is it me or did the article really say that Viney put it out to the whole playing group and only Sparrow, Spargo and Petty were the only ones who put the hand up? If true thats absolutely [censored] poor. Especially when you have Muppets like Josh Wagner in the USA sinking beers every 2nd day.

Well Done to those young players putting their hands up.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Good on Viney for showing some really strong leadership here. I have certainly been very critical of him this year.

Is it me or did the article really say that Viney put it out to the whole playing group and only Sparrow, Spargo and Petty were the only ones who put the hand up? If true thats absolutely [censored] poor. Especially when you have Muppets like Josh Wagner in the USA sinking beers every 2nd day.

Well Done to those young players putting their hands up.

I think you misread it. 

Quotes from article:

"WHILE the Melbourne players are currently scattered all around the world on their end of season breaks, Jack Viney has taken three youngsters to Cairns, but not on a holiday"

"... the whole team is sticking to the program set by new performance manager Darren Burgess..."

Players are doing their training program wherever they are.  Pretty good effort all round, I reckon.  They will be primed for the start of the pre-season.

What date and time does Viney's Northern Adventures air on the telly?

9 hours ago, chookrat said:

Disappointed to open this article full of words. What are they doing in the water with snorkel gear on? After what they put us supporters through this year what do they think this is, a holiday? They should be training.

It’s their off season

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Good on Viney for showing some really strong leadership here. I have certainly been very critical of him this year.

Is it me or did the article really say that Viney put it out to the whole playing group and only Sparrow, Spargo and Petty were the only ones who put the hand up? If true thats absolutely [censored] poor. Especially when you have Muppets like Josh Wagner in the USA sinking beers every 2nd day.

Well Done to those young players putting their hands up.

My reading was that he asked those who hadn't made prior arrangements ... not IMO pi55 poor travelling overseas in their down time, and it does sounds like most at least are on a fitness programme whilst away.

13 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

Can't remember if it was 2017 or 18 but he played a game against West coast and was enormous had nearly 40 touches and killed them hope he gets back to that

Was the West Coast game in Perth (R 14 I think) and he was injured as well.

He was as good as Joel Selwood in this game and his last quarter extra significant in getting us across the line, oh with Tommy's 5 goals and that last famous kick.

Thst is a benchmark as us the 2 Finals in 2018 and if he can get fitness and form like that our season will be a good one no doubt.