I thought Chol was a good signing by Hawthorn at the time, whenever I saw him play for Richmond or GC I felt like he had something more to offer if he could get a good run of games.

Tim Lamb surely should have been sacked.  
 

He had better have a good trade period

 

He has brought in rejects Billings, Schache, Hunter, Fullarton and paid overs for McAdam

1. Don’t touch pick 5 

2. get 25 and 42 off crows for ANB 

3. no soft players any more !!! 

5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Tim Lamb surely should have been sacked.  
 

He had better have a good trade period

 

He has brought in rejects Billings, Schache, Hunter, Fullarton and paid overs for McAdam

1. Don’t touch pick 5 

2. get 25 and 42 off crows for ANB 

3. no soft players any more !!! 

There's really no need for that framing.

8 hours ago, Adam The God said:

There's really no need for that framing.

They weren’t wanted by their clubs. They were all happy to be shown the door.  Billings and Hunter were salary dump players who’d signed on for bigger $$$ then were playing 2nds footy.  We took them in !! Strangely McAdam seems to be one player we actually chased and offered a 3year deal and crows got our 2024 2nd round pick.  What a stinker of a deal.  

15 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Tim Lamb surely should have been sacked.  
 

He had better have a good trade period

 

He has brought in rejects Billings, Schache, Hunter, Fullarton and paid overs for McAdam

1. Don’t touch pick 5 

2. get 25 and 42 off crows for ANB 

3. no soft players any more !!! 

As harsh as it sounds, I somewhat agree.

We have gone backwards with our list management since our Premiership in 2021.

Our list certainly isn't as strong as we expected it to be.

We crowed too early thinking about a "Demons Dynasty" unfortunately.

Tim Lamb is certainly under massive pressure now as Demons List Manager.

I would definitely be making a phone call to former Magpies List Manager Graham Wright to see if he is interested in a new challenge before the Tasmanian Devils team arrives in the AFL.

His challenge is attracting players to our club that fit within our salary cap.  The majority recently have been depth players bought in as security.  Whereas talent is really coming from he draft.

He can only get those that out of contract  or want to move.  The Houston news, shows they are active in targeting players during the year to keep improving the main list, i.e. the 23 we put on the park each week.  Any real we haven't been that active in since putting the team together up to 2021.  With the move towards Houston ew can see they need more players to refresh our list to challenge again. 

 

On 27/08/2024 at 21:54, spirit of norm smith said:

Tim Lamb surely should have been sacked.  
 

He had better have a good trade period

 

He has brought in rejects Billings, Schache, Hunter, Fullarton and paid overs for McAdam

1. Don’t touch pick 5 

2. get 25 and 42 off crows for ANB 

3. no soft players any more !!! 

We have been shocking in the trade space but when you hear how much money we have tied into Tracc and the like we are essentially offering peanuts to these players.

We can't offer the $$$ other clubs can atm.

So we have had our hands tied behind our back, no excuses this trade period though with all this money becoming available from BBB, Tommo, Shaq and ANB.

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Draft 2023… started with 6, 14,27,35,42,46 

Swans secured Grundy with selection 46 in the 2023 AFL Draft (MFC used in Tom Fullerton trade) and a future second round pick.  
 

Demons secured the No.11 pick in exchange for picks No.14, No.27 and No.35, which went to the Suns to help them pay for academy players .  (We got Thtolstrup instead of Darcy Wilson).  That was interesting business.  

got 6,11,42 

got 6 Windsor, 11 Throlstrup 42 was passed.  Turned 5 draft picks between 14,27,35,42,46 into Throlstrup and Fullarton.  Wow 😤🤮🤯
 

do we trust Tim Lamb etc again !!! FFS 

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Tim Lamb. Memo.  Don’t even think about this? Are we a dumping ground.   No. No. No.  
 

DELISTED SAINT ON DEES' RADAR

A FOURTH AFL club is looming for delisted Saint Tom Campbell, who has interest from Melbourne as a ruck option.

Campbell was cut by the Saints last month after four games in three seasons at the club.

But he could find himself with a new home for 2025, with the 32-year-old garnering interest from the Demons to be a ruck deputy to champion big man Max Gawn. 

On 21/09/2024 at 01:13, spirit of norm smith said:

Draft 2023… started with 6, 14,27,35,42,46 

Swans secured Grundy with selection 46 in the 2023 AFL Draft (MFC used in Tom Fullerton trade) and a future second round pick.  
 

Demons secured the No.11 pick in exchange for picks No.14, No.27 and No.35, which went to the Suns to help them pay for academy players .  (We got Thtolstrup instead of Darcy Wilson).  That was interesting business.  

got 6,11,42 

got 6 Windsor, 11 Throlstrup 42 was passed.  Turned 5 draft picks between 14,27,35,42,46 into Throlstrup and Fullarton.  Wow 😤🤮🤯
 

do we trust Tim Lamb etc again !!! FFS 

Nothing wrong with our drafting. It's the player trading & list management over 3 years that has been dreadful & made our list worse.

And don't start me on the contract management for Adams, Laurie & Hunter.

15 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Nothing wrong with our drafting. It's the player trading & list management over 3 years that has been dreadful & made our list worse.

And don't start me on the contract management for Adams, Laurie & Hunter.

Drafting has been a Yes. Jason Taylor. 👏👏👏

it’s the recent pick swaps and players traded in and as you note the contract extensions to marginal players … that’s Tim Lamb 

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19 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

it’s the recent pick swaps and players traded in and as you note the contract extensions to marginal players … that’s Tim Lamb 

It's also Jason Taylor, who sits on the List Management Committee.

10 minutes ago, bing181 said:

It's also Jason Taylor, who sits on the List Management Committee.

You keep saying that. Jason Taylor isn't watching AFL games every weekend. 

It's Jason Taylor's job to convene with all the recruiting scouts around the country. And I'm talking about recruits who are not in the AFL system.

Jason Taylor wouldn't be talking to player managers, enquiring about the availability of current players in the AFL system. And he wouldn't be discussing contract terms with the player managers. That's Tim Lamb's job.

Jason Taylor may offer his opinion as to the value of a draft pick, but it's Tim Lamb and the Football Department who are making decisions on recruiting players from other clubs. And that's where we are failing.

When does this bloke finish up? Haven’t seen the email yet.

33 minutes ago, mo64 said:

You keep saying that. Jason Taylor isn't watching AFL games every weekend. 

But Taylor and his team are watching Reserves and State league matches. Not to mention drafts, so they would follow players going forward. Players like Fullarton would fall in that basket.

But I don't agree that we're failing - shocking though that may seem to some here. We have minimal cap space or picks, and when you trade in lower-ranked speculative players on low salaries and even lower picks for depth you can't complain when they don't set the world on fire. Every team has 44 players, and 25% of those will either never play an AFL game or establish themselves at AFL level. We're no exception. The fact that some traded players don't make it is the norm, not the exception.

Lamb has kept the list together and we don't have salary cap issues. Tick. He's doing the essential part of his job well.

I think it’s pretty clear that nobody here actually knows what Tim Lamb does, nor how the roles and possibilities of list additions and deletions are divided amongst those within the footy department. This is obvious by seeing those who apportion credit for previous training to Josh Mahoney but blame current trading on Tim Lamb, despite those two holding completely different jobs within the club. As far as I can tell it’s because Lamb has had been spokesman for the club during trade week rather than Mahoney when he was there.

Hilarious but also stupid.

53 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

I think it’s pretty clear that nobody here actually knows what Tim Lamb does

Absolutely - but the fact that there's a List Management Committee would suggest that list management is more than a one-man show and straddles various departments within the club. At least.

9 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Absolutely - but the fact that there's a List Management Committee would suggest that list management is more than a one-man show and straddles various departments within the club. At least.

Exactly. There’s no single person responsible for trades, so it’s pretty funny that some people have decided it must be all Tim Lamb.

On 22/07/2024 at 22:26, Sir Why You Little said:

You forgot Toby Bedford 

Not many of us forgot Bedford's departure, just when he was adapting well to the Badloss method; if forgotten, then it probably is an extreme embarrassment to those responsible, as many of us on DL at the time regarded the loss as worse than 'misfortune'.

First question to Jason Taylor when he next appears on the Demonland podcast post-trade period: what are the actual specifics of your role and who should we blame and get sacked for Tom Fullarton et al? 

11 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Drafting has been a Yes. Jason Taylor. 👏👏👏

it’s the recent pick swaps and players traded in and as you note the contract extensions to marginal players … that’s Tim Lamb 

There's a conga line of apologists on demonland one behind the other claiming either:

1. Nothing wrong with our recent trading & list management

2. It couldn't be helped - can't get them all right

3. Trading & list management has been woeful but no one is to blame.

55 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

There's a conga line of apologists on demonland one behind the other claiming either:

1. Nothing wrong with our recent trading & list management

2. It couldn't be helped - can't get them all right

3. Trading & list management has been woeful but no one is to blame.

I think the Grundy trade in was a big mistake...is there any one person who should be held accountable or is it a group of people? We're only guessing.

As for other decisions, we just don't know the logistics. Salary cap space, opportunity, who was available to us.

I think the Grundy fiasco has made it harder to attract another ruckman so that effects who is available to us.

We've certainly been doing a lot of work behind the scenes to improve our draft hand over the last few years but our ladder position amongst other things hasn't given us a good hand & opposition clubs generally have not wanted to trade.

I don't know enough to put all the plusses & minuses on the board & come up with an answer to the blame game.

12 hours ago, bing181 said:

But Taylor and his team are watching Reserves and State league matches. Not to mention drafts, so they would follow players going forward. Players like Fullarton would fall in that basket.

But I don't agree that we're failing - shocking though that may seem to some here. We have minimal cap space or picks, and when you trade in lower-ranked speculative players on low salaries and even lower picks for depth you can't complain when they don't set the world on fire. Every team has 44 players, and 25% of those will either never play an AFL game or establish themselves at AFL level. We're no exception. The fact that some traded players don't make it is the norm, not the exception.

Lamb has kept the list together and we don't have salary cap issues. Tick. He's doing the essential part of his job well.

You are kidding yourself if you believe that the addition of Grundy, Hunter, Schache, Billings, Fullarton, McAdam and Hore hasn't been a massive failure. Not one established themselves in the team. No other club has had a poorer track record than us on this front in recent years.

And nobody is complaining about lower draft picks being a failure, because we haven't had any recently. 

 

39 minutes ago, mo64 said:

You are kidding yourself if you believe that the addition of Grundy, Hunter, Schache, Billings, Fullarton, McAdam and Hore hasn't been a massive failure. Not one established themselves in the team. No other club has had a poorer track record than us on this front in recent years.

And nobody is complaining about lower draft picks being a failure, because we haven't had any recently. 

 

...because we’ve had an already established team that was consistently at the pointy end, so to break into the side as an established player you’d need to be very good. And all of those recruits were depth players recruited for peanuts, so shouldn’t have been expected to contribute significantly.

The problem is that it’s a collective that makes these decisions, but the tendency is for the blame to be unfairly targeted at an individual. Maybe you think we should hold the collective responsible, but I’d say that collective has enough runs on the board to make up for this perceived negative.

Traded in across the last 3 years. 

So let’s compare us to others where clubs have added to their lists since our 2021 premiership   Others have improved their list.   Just in my view, we didn’t seize the opportunity to recruit effectively 

Dees. Dunstan  Hunter  Billings  Schache   Fullarton McAdam 

Swans. Francis Grundy. JJ. Adams. Hamling

Lions. Fort. Daniher. Dunkley  Doedee*

Port  Finlayson  JHF  Rioli  Ratugolea  Sweet  Zerk-thatcher Soldo 

Cats   Bruhn  Bowes  Stengle  O.Henry

Giants. Bedford 

Hawks    Chol  Amon  Meek Ginnivan D’ambrisio

Bulldogs   Lobb Harmes

Blues. Cerra.  Hewett.  Young.  Acres. Hollands. 

Pies. Mcstay. Bobby Hill. Lipinski. Mitchell  Schulz 

Freo.  Clark. Omeara Jackson 

 

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