2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

So you're starting to understand then it seems...

Not sure what you’re implying, but our lack of good depth players got seriously exposed hence why we finished second bottom of the ladder. Richmond had just as many injuries for the better part of the year and were able to stay afloat.

All the players I mentioned have had a decent crack at AFL level and proven to be spuds. Obviously we cant just delist 10 players in the off season, but at least a few more should have been moved on.

 

Dunkley and Smith will work out well for us

38 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

 Smith will work out well for us

If this bloke can finally stay out of the medical room he could be a solution to our key forward woes. A 4 goal JLT performance on one leg was very promising and he can take a grab.

A big IF tough in terms of whether he can stay healthy and whether he's actually good enough.

Locking in players such as Chandler and the Wagners prior to the trade period, and even the draft, is just plain dumb. Who knows what might eventuate in those periods and how many spots on the list we might need free. It's not as though any on that list are going to get a game anywhere else.

As it stands we have two spare spots on the senior list, which seem likely to be taken by Langdon and Tomlinson.

So where are we freeing up the spots to take 3-4 draft selections, which is the absolute minimum we should be looking for? Our list management is just abysmal.

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Agreed. Which is why we're trying to improve it this offseason and a fair few are on their way out already.

Don't understand the over the top reaction here to re-signing some cheap solid depth though.

Cheap, but not so sure that some of it is so solid...

16 minutes ago, rjay said:

Cheap, but not so sure that some of it is so solid...

I know they're not sexy footballers for the most part, but you know what you're going to get from each, so for mine that's solid.

25 minutes ago, poita said:

As it stands we have two spare spots on the senior list, which seem likely to be taken by Langdon and Tomlinson.

At the moment I have the list at 36 (senior list) + 4 (rookie list) + 1 (category B)

That leaves 4 spots on the senior list if we do not add any rookies

Might be 6 spots on the senior list if what we are hearing about Stretch and Frost is accurate

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Not sure what you’re implying, but our lack of good depth players got seriously exposed hence why we finished second bottom of the ladder. Richmond had just as many injuries for the better part of the year and were able to stay afloat.

All the players I mentioned have had a decent crack at AFL level and proven to be spuds. Obviously we cant just delist 10 players in the off season, but at least a few more should have been moved on.

We've already lost 5 players, and there's at least 3 more to come. I know these blokes aren't exciting, but I think the reactions in this thread show a big misunderstanding about how salary caps, recruiting, lists etc all work together. We'll have at least 8 spots to fill already, what kind of quality do you think we're getting once we're down to our 11th-12th recruit in one offseason?

 

Its all just glossing over the fact that Frost has not resigned.....

14 hours ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

ANB has to be hanging something on the footy department. How he has a 2 year deal is unfathomable and is exactly the kind of decision why we’ll be stuck as a mediocre team forever.

Other than that at their very best, Lockhart, Smith and maybe Baker could be best 22. The others - not a chance.

Happy with Corey Wagner on a rookie spot, however re-signing Josh seems like a mistake.

Spot on.

If we gave Josh Wagner an extension, I don't hold much hope for our list management team.

 

Bloody hell that's a terrible decision.

2 hours ago, poita said:

Locking in players such as Chandler and the Wagners prior to the trade period, and even the draft, is just plain dumb. Who knows what might eventuate in those periods and how many spots on the list we might need free. It's not as though any on that list are going to get a game anywhere else.

As it stands we have two spare spots on the senior list, which seem likely to be taken by Langdon and Tomlinson.

So where are we freeing up the spots to take 3-4 draft selections, which is the absolute minimum we should be looking for? Our list management is just abysmal.

?? - you do know that 5 players have already either retired or been delisted?

Edited September 26, 20195 yr by Demon3

People say underwhelming etc, but I think they're decent enough depth players. It's been said here before often but we've got several players stuck in between VFL and AFL level. The injuries last year didn't help. If Burgess can help the best 22-26 in relative good health then depth options aren't the end of the world.

Eg

In 2018 J Wagner played 5 games, he played 12 this year.

In 2018 B Stretch played 2 games, he played 9 this year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are all depth players with Smith and Baker being the best. Some people are being a bit " rude " about the Wagners. I have seen plenty of worse at Melbourne.

Dunkley will be a ripper

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

We've already lost 5 players, and there's at least 3 more to come. I know these blokes aren't exciting, but I think the reactions in this thread show a big misunderstanding about how salary caps, recruiting, lists etc all work together. We'll have at least 8 spots to fill already, what kind of quality do you think we're getting once we're down to our 11th-12th recruit in one offseason?

 

Better quality than what we have already. Half of these blokes are probably on more than they should be and have had their chance on a good day and blown it. We've lost 6 players already and 3 of which were  were on rookie spots which  are always a low risk high reward. So we've really only losing 3 players that were around the best 22 mark, all of which will be replaced by trades and high end picks. We would have been that much better off cutting a few more of the list-cloggers that have continually shown nothing to save money and invest development into fresher faces. Argue all you like about some of them having AFL experience, but that means diddly-squat when half of them average 10 touches in games that have been gifted through injuries.

Just FYI

Losing:

Lewis
Maynard
Stretch (likely)
Bradtke
Garlett
Keilty
Smith

Replacing:

Tomlinson
Langdon
Elliot (a chance)
Pick 3 player
Player at pick 40ish
Player at Pick 60ish
Rookies 1-2

In the face of overwhelming press consensus that we'll have pick 3 I remain hopeful we'll have 2 and they will be given a mid first round or end of first round given they had 3 top ten picks and another 3rd rounder last draft they hardly need another pick 2. If they want to get Anderson so badly they can have pick 2 and Stretch for Ben King and Martin 

5 hours ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Its all just glossing over the fact that Frost has not resigned.....

Don't worry mate. The club will roll out the red carpet when they re-sign Frosty. Big name player.

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Better quality than what we have already.

Who? Please name the 16 players we're going to recruit who would be better than the 8 we're likely to lose and the 8 we just re-signed. Those 16 players also need to be ones that would be available at the picks we have, with trades we can do with picks (seeing we can't lose more players) or free agents. 16. Go.

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Half of these blokes are probably on more than they should be

Rubbish comment mate. Come on. You have no idea what they're earning.

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

So we've really only losing 3 players that were around the best 22 mark

Once again, no team has 40+ "best 22" players. You're just showing you don't understand the complexities of a list.

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Just FYI

Losing:

Lewis
Maynard
Stretch (likely)
Bradtke
Garlett
Keilty
Smith

Replacing:

Tomlinson
Langdon
Elliot (a chance)
Pick 3 player
Player at pick 40ish
Player at Pick 60ish
Rookies 1-2

Just FYI for you...

Losing:

Lewis
Garlett
Maynard
Keilty
Smith
Walker

Probably losing:
Stretch
JKH
 

Possibly losing (differing chances):
Frost
KK
A contracted player who requests a trade

So potentially we already have about 7-8 senior spots to fill already.

Replacing:
Tomlinson
Langdon
Pick 3
Pick 39ish
Pick 57ish
Pick 75ish

That's all we have atm. Already we have quite possibly more list spots than options to fill them, and you want to delist another 8 players. How exactly are you replacing them?

I get that it's the internet and people like to make brash statements, but so many are showing how little they're bothering to look at this situation as a big picture.

 

Edited September 26, 20195 yr by Lord Nev

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Who? Please name the 16 players we're going to recruit who would be better than the 8 we're likely to lose and the 8 we just re-signed. Those 16 players also need to be ones that would be available at the picks we have, with trades we can do with picks (seeing we can't lose more players) or free agents. 16. Go.

Rubbish comment mate. Come on. You have no idea what they're earning.

Once again, no team has 40+ "best 22" players. You're just showing you don't understand the complexities of a list.

Just FYI for you...

Losing:

Lewis
Garlett
Maynard
Keilty
Smith
Walker

Probably losing:
Stretch
JKH
 

Possibly losing (differing chances):
Frost
KK
A contracted player who requests a trade

So potentially we already have about 7-8 senior spots to fill already.

Replacing:
Tomlinson
Langdon
Pick 3
Pick 39ish
Pick 57ish
Pick 75ish

That's all we have atm. Already we have quite possibly more list spots than options to fill them, and you want to delist another 8 players. How exactly are you replacing them?

I get that it's the internet and people like to make brash statements, but so many are showing how little they're bothering to look at this situation as a big picture.

 

Your last para says it all.

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Who? Please name the 16 players we're going to recruit who would be better than the 8 we're likely to lose and the 8 we just re-signed. Those 16 players also need to be ones that would be available at the picks we have, with trades we can do with picks (seeing we can't lose more players) or free agents. 16. Go.

Rubbish comment mate. Come on. You have no idea what they're earning.

Once again, no team has 40+ "best 22" players. You're just showing you don't understand the complexities of a list.

Just FYI for you...

Losing:

Lewis
Garlett
Maynard
Keilty
Smith
Walker

Probably losing:
Stretch
JKH
 

Possibly losing (differing chances):
Frost
KK
A contracted player who requests a trade

So potentially we already have about 7-8 senior spots to fill already.

Replacing:
Tomlinson
Langdon
Pick 3
Pick 39ish
Pick 57ish
Pick 75ish

That's all we have atm. Already we have quite possibly more list spots than options to fill them, and you want to delist another 8 players. How exactly are you replacing them?

I get that it's the internet and people like to make brash statements, but so many are showing how little they're bothering to look at this situation as a big picture.

 

Please name the 16 players we're tossing out, you only managed 11 in your comment, then come have a proper conversation. If you had any idea you'd have read my earlier comment where I agreed with half of our 8 re-signings...The only two I really cant accept is ANB and Josh Wagner. 

Just FYI - We had 10 list changes at the end of 2018. On what I was suggesting we would be making around that many this year which is a pretty standard number across EVERY club. 

Once again I never said we need 40 best 22 players so stop claiming that I'm sick of repeating myself. However we need more quality players capable of performing competently at AFL level or at least pushing the performance of the senior side up. Honestly could anyone have said this year that players were under any sort of pressure playing for their spots in the side??

6 hours ago, faultydet said:

If we gave Josh Wagner an extension, I don't hold much hope for our list management team.

 

Bloody hell that's a terrible decision.

Josh is so vanilla & lacks pace. Hard 2 understand y they've given him another year. He doesn't make good decisions, but maybe they just like him because he's a good guy. Melbourne have always shied away from recruited talented bad boy types whereas other clubs embrace them.

Just now, samcantstandya said:

Josh is so vanilla & lacks pace. Hard 2 understand y they've given him another year. He doesn't make good decisions, but maybe they just like him because he's a good guy. Melbourne have always shied away from recruited talented bad boy types whereas other clubs embrace them.

Couldnt agree more. If I ever have to watch Josh Wagner go about 5th man up in a pack and complete f it up I will spew up. Wouldn't mind a bit of character around the joint, we are about as vanilla as it gets

17 minutes ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Please name the 16 players we're tossing out, you only managed 11 in your comment

You're complaining about the 8 players we've re-signed, so 8 plus 8 equals 16.

Josh Wagner was always going to be kept on, he's about the only back-up (mid-sized) defender we have.