On 08/11/2019 at 08:52, Redleg said:

Does anyone else see anything peculiar about the DFA dates below?

Delisted free agency windows

Friday November 1 - Monday November 11

Wednesday November 13 - 5pm Friday November 22

Nov 12th is Gil's birthday??? 

  On 05/11/2019 at 04:52, DeeZee said:

A Collingwood mate of mine who is a good footy coach in his own right reckons Murray would be a great pick up for us, and could eventually take over Jettas role but give us extra run and speed off half back.

Definitely would be best 22 .

Probably should keep that to yourself

  On 08/11/2019 at 09:29, Moonshadow said:

Nov 12th is Gil's birthday??? 

Why would you have it running for 3 weeks, but have one day in the middle when it doesn’t ? What is that all about?

Weren’t the club meeting with Murray during the week?  Where are our usual (as opposed to “usually”) reliable sources with the inside scoop? 

If we were going to sign him DFA, wouldn’t we have done so by now?  Perhaps we are looking at rookie or supplemental list?  We would have to be certain no one else wanted him as well if we were to do this.

  On 08/11/2019 at 22:12, buck_nekkid said:

If we were going to sign him DFA, wouldn’t we have done so by now?  Perhaps we are looking at rookie or supplemental list?  We would have to be certain no one else wanted him as well if we were to do this.

IMO rookie or supplemental is more likely, especially given there's always the chance we end up with more draft picks than we do currently and it changes our balance between senior and rookie spots.

 

  On 08/11/2019 at 22:12, buck_nekkid said:

If we were going to sign him DFA, wouldn’t we have done so by now?  Perhaps we are looking at rookie or supplemental list?  We would have to be certain no one else wanted him as well if we were to do this.

The DFA period runs another 2 weeks, so why the hurry? Would imagine at the least, both parties are doing their due diligence.

  On 09/11/2019 at 00:27, Redleg said:

The DFA period runs another 2 weeks, so why the hurry? Would imagine at the least, both parties are doing their due diligence.

if he is a player we want we should be trying to reel him in as soon as possible to reduce the chances of other teams snapping him up, or driving his price up.

I read on some random site that today is the last day to enrol for the National Draft and the Pre Season Draft, does anyone know if this is correct.

  On 11/11/2019 at 06:47, Deebacle said:

I read on some random site that today is the last day to enrol for the National Draft and the Pre Season Draft, does anyone know if this is correct.

DFA PSD and Rookie draft cut off date 22 Nov. Dint know about draft. 

  On 06/11/2019 at 23:14, FarNorthernD said:

Still reckon the kid was ripped off. I know nothing about the Sam but I’m guessing he wasn’t trying to gain an advantage. Only difference between him and a multitude of other AFL players is the timing. 
Fair to say I won’t be holding his 18 month ban against him

The kid from Casey who got done for importing a protein supplement on the advice of a club doctor and NEVER ACTUALLY TOOK ANY was ripped off.  Murray did something idiotic. 

  On 08/11/2019 at 02:08, JTR said:

Have we cooled on Murray or just taking our time?

The first DFA window closes on Monday and I'm getting a bit impatient waiting for something to happen.

They were supposed to be having a chat with him this week.  I'm thinking it's most likely that they will ask him to join training in December along with Bennell and look at a rookie spot.  Can we take two players as supplementary rookies in March? 

he is worth a senior spot, if we dont give it to him someone else will.  A rookie spot should be for someone who needs to grow into a role, and is not ready to play yet. This guy is a ready made player.  pick him up now if he is available, or risk losing him to someone else who can see his value.

Jon Ralph in HeraldSun reporting that Melbourne have ruled out securing ex Pies defender Sam Murray. Wonder what happened. I thought he looked like a good prospect. He goes on to say ex Bomber Mitch Brown has been linked to the Dees. 

Mitch Brown? No thanks.

  On 13/11/2019 at 08:39, It's Time said:

Jon Ralph in HeraldSun reporting that Melbourne have ruled out securing ex Pies defender Sam Murray. Wonder what happened. I thought he looked like a good prospect. He goes on to say ex Bomber Mitch Brown has been linked to the Dees. 

Interesting.   Delisted quickly by pies.

Rejected by us despite being a young player with attributes we require.

Something's crook in Tallarook.

  On 13/11/2019 at 08:39, It's Time said:

Jon Ralph in HeraldSun reporting that Melbourne have ruled out securing ex Pies defender Sam Murray. Wonder what happened. I thought he looked like a good prospect. He goes on to say ex Bomber Mitch Brown has been linked to the Dees. 

Diamonds in the rough are obviously super rare at this level.

Surely, if this guy had the upside we were hoping for, the Pies would’ve wrapped him up long ago i.e. we wouldn’t even have been in the conversation.

That said, I reckon Bennell will help us win the flag. And I hope he does.

 

Edited November 13, 20195 yr by Ron Burgundy

  On 13/11/2019 at 08:49, Stretch Johnson said:

Interesting.   Delisted quickly by pies.

Rejected by us despite being a young player with attributes we require.

Something's crook in Tallarook.

Could be we're looking at Young ahead of Jackson in the draft and therefore Brown ahead of Murray DFA. List spots are limited and we have 3, 8, 97 and Bennell to accomodate. That leaves 1 free Senior list spot.

  On 14/11/2019 at 02:29, Fifty-5 said:

Could be we're looking at Young ahead of Jackson in the draft and therefore Brown ahead of Murray DFA. List spots are limited and we have 3, 8, 97 and Bennell to accomodate. That leaves 1 free Senior list spot.

Possibly, but Collingwood wasted no time in cutting him.  Our interest was reported reported immediately.   Our interest in Brown appears to coincide with our loss of interest in Murray.

That a lack of reported interest from other clubs leads one to inferences.  However they are only inferences.

  On 14/11/2019 at 02:29, Fifty-5 said:

Could be we're looking at Young ahead of Jackson in the draft and therefore Brown ahead of Murray DFA. List spots are limited and we have 3, 8, 97 and Bennell to accomodate. That leaves 1 free Senior list spot.

I'd highly doubt that who we look at as a delisted free agent would make any difference to who we draft, realistically a DFA might help plug a gap but there would be a low % they become long term valuable team members, whilst a draftee, in particular at the pointy end, you'd hope to have on the list for 12 years. 

  On 14/11/2019 at 03:19, Red and Blue realist said:

I'd highly doubt that who we look at as a delisted free agent would make any difference to who we draft, realistically a DFA might help plug a gap but there would be a low % they become long term valuable team members, whilst a draftee, in particular at the pointy end, you'd hope to have on the list for 12 years. 

You’ve got it the wrong way around. Fifty’s point was if we draft Young then there’s no need for Murray, if we draft Jackson then we don’t pick up Brown.

Brown over Murray isn’t influencing who we draft but could be a tell on who we will draft.

I think that could be correct. 

But I also think a mature depth tall makes more sense than Murray who has some speed but probably isn’t AFL standard skill wise or character wise. 

  On 14/11/2019 at 03:19, Red and Blue realist said:

I'd highly doubt that who we look at as a delisted free agent would make any difference to who we draft, realistically a DFA might help plug a gap but there would be a low % they become long term valuable team members, whilst a draftee, in particular at the pointy end, you'd hope to have on the list for 12 years. 

I was suggesting it was the other way around - who we intend to draft influences who we target in DFA.  If we're taking Young we've got less need for HB depth and Murray and if we're not taking Jackson we have more need for tall depth hence Brown.

Yeah what DeeSpencer said.

  On 14/11/2019 at 03:56, Fifty-5 said:

I was suggesting it was the other way around - who we intend to draft influences who we target in DFA.  If we're taking Young we've got less need for HB depth and Murray and if we're not taking Jackson we have more need for tall depth hence Brown.

Yeah what DeeSpencer said.

Sorry read the post wrong, agree with you and DS 

Having just read the article regarding Murray on AFL.com.au, I feel clubs may not be enamoured with him maintaining his innocence over his suspected drug use. 

If he has willingly used cocaine and is not willing to admit it after testing positive, that's probably a fairly decent indicator that you've got someone that's going to be difficult to work with.

Having said that, maybe he really did just 'inadvertently' come into contact with cocaine but I think this would be playing a bigger part in his struggle to find a club than his actual football ability.

 

I'm blowed (geddit?) if I know how you can "inadvertently" come into contact with cocaine to the extent that it shows up in a drug test.