Farewell Sam Frost

[Demon trucker 1,800]

28 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

OMac had an absolute shocker of a year, hell he even bailed out for a few weeks after the bye, came back and was still woeful. 

Getting picked on has nothing to do with it. 

He either can do the job or he cannot

He had a good year  in 2018 played well, so he has shown he is up to it but with lever and May hopefully playing a full year he is good depth, and if they don't well there could be trouble.

I rather have all Australian midfielder or forwards then all Australian defenders, Richmond showed that,  with Rance going down, if they did not have Lynch they would not have made top 4. Which brings the point of the post too many defenders.

[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

16 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

He had a good year  in 2018 played well, so he has shown he is up to it but with lever and May hopefully playing a full year he is good depth, and if they don't well there could be trouble.

I rather have all Australian midfielder or forwards then all Australian defenders, Richmond showed that,  with Rance going down, if they did not have Lynch they would not have made top 4. Which brings the point of the post too many defenders.

2018 is irrelevant now. It’s too long ago, Teams have worked us out.

OMac as good depth, brilliant. 

Hibberd is almost done, Nev could be in the same situation, we all age. 

Lever has done both knees....

we are leaving ourselves wide open

[bing181 9,193]

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

I always thought 2 first round picks was too much to pay

So did I.

Lucky that with picks coming back the other way that's not what it cost.

[Hot as Hell 466]

5 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

You're absolutely right, it says he's one of a handful of players to play most games in an injury ravaged year.

Had Oscar not been the previously annointed one, would be interesting to see what value (if any) he would have carried in the trade period.

His contract alone would have been in excess of any player value.

In a backline bedevilled by injury, Oscar was not even worth picking for a game.

I believe that speaks volumes about his worth. 

We still carry way too many VFL players on our list. 

[DubDee 25,530]

Haven’t read through the pages. What is the contract length and money at hawks??

usually they highlight this at mfc and ignore at clubs like hawks

[Macca 16,903]

I have come to terms with the Frost departure

Let's face it,  the area that Sam is lacking in is his actual disposal efficiency and his decision making.

Comparisons to Oscar are onerous as well ... we are highly likely to bolster our KPP stocks although I did think that with the Hogan departure.  Petty can be the answer but he is very young.

So let's hope the club realises where its deficiencies lie.  We need another key back and another key forward.  Upgrades.

That's how I see it.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Macca

[Moonshadow 17,675]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

2018 is irrelevant now. It’s too long ago, Teams have worked us out.

OMac as good depth, brilliant. 

Hibberd is almost done, Nev could be in the same situation, we all age. 

Lever has done both knees....

we are leaving ourselves wide open

Wrong. He did his left knee twice.

He himself has said the first reco when he was a junior was not managed well.

We have plenty of defensive options. We should focus on improving our forward stocks.

Edited October 13, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

32 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Wrong. He did his left knee twice.

He himself has said the first reco when he was a junior was not managed well.

We have plenty of defensive options. We should focus on improving our forward stocks.

Ok. Thought it was both knees. Still a worry & to be shipping out our best defender this year is a Huge gamble, but it’s done now, so we all have to observe and hope it rolls. 

The Forward line... will it work next year?

it’s almost toss a coon....

[Moonshadow 17,675]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Ok. Thought it was both knees. Still a worry & to be shipping out our best defender this year is a Huge gamble, but it’s done now, so we all have to observe and hope it rolls. 

The Forward line... will it work next year?

it’s almost toss a coon....

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[Sir Why You Little 36,955]

15 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

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Just saw that!

Coin

[hemingway 7,615]

16 hours ago, picket fence said:

Watch this unfold miserably for us!! Clarko to mould him into a potential AA Superstar. THIS WILL BITE US ON THE ARRRRRZZZE

Hopefully not Picket.

He may or may not turn into a better player at the Hawks but my concern is that we can ill afford to lose him. 

I understand that trading players has become a normal facet of the game. 

But I reckon that the decision to sack Frosty sends a poor message to the players as a whole.

That irrespective of form and performance you can be traded. 

Sure good players and champions get traded but most of these guys leave for personal reasons or get lucrative offers too good to refuse.

But Frost was left with no choice because we made no offer, in short we did not value him or want him.

Some folks argue that the players and managers have got too greedy, but given the way clubs behave these days, it is not surprising.

As a player, I would see the Frost departure as another reason to put self interest before loyalty to the club. .  

  

[Moonshadow 17,675]

17 hours ago, picket fence said:

Watch this unfold miserably for us!! Clarko to mould him into a potential AA Superstar. THIS WILL BITE US ON THE ARRRRRZZZE

Raising hyperbole to a new level, Picket

[picket fence 17,034]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Raising hyperbole to a new level, Picket

Lets revisit during and at end of season and see how much is Hyperbole and how much will be reality!??

[Moonshadow 17,675]

Just now, picket fence said:

Lets revisit during and at end of season and see how much is Hyperbole and how much will be reality!??

You're on.

"AA superstar that will come back to BITE US ON THE RRRSE!."

[praha 11,228]

21 hours ago, Macca said:

 

Let's face it,  the area that Sam is lacking in is his actual disposal efficiency and his decision making.

 

If that's a genuine metric then Omac is a star and Patrick Dangerfield is a hack.

[Earl Hood 6,082]

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

Lets revisit during and at end of season and see how much is Hyperbole and how much will be reality!??

I think the Frost trade to the Hawks, under the tutelage of the world’s greatest coach will be facinating to watch next season. In my opinion Frost’s learning curve is still on the up, as he is a great athlete not a natural footballer, so needs time which we had run out of. With us I thought under immense pressure he learnt to play within his limitations with short kicks to position when he was running forward and free but yes turned it over when facing the wrong way. And he at times punched the ball back into the corridor but a lot of this goes back to our coaching I think. 

The Hawks defence is much more composed than ours and as I rank the 2020 Hawks as very likely to finish top 6, I suspect Frosty may shine. It will be interesting to see how they cover his deficiencies and play to his strengths. 

[Axis of Bob 11,673]

On 10/13/2019 at 6:25 PM, picket fence said:

Watch this unfold miserably for us!! Clarko to mould him into a potential AA Superstar. THIS WILL BITE US ON THE ARRRRRZZZE

Surely if Clarko moulds him into a potential AA superstar ..... then he would already have been a potential AA superstar before Clarko started coaching him.

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[rjay 24,852]

44 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

The Hawks defence is much more composed than ours

Not now 'Earl'...they aren't the Hawks of old.

Frawley and Stratton closer to the end.

Hardwick & Sicily good younger players.

...but they don't have the razor sharp kicking they had before, Birchall the last of their great kicks from the back half gone.

They may push Burgoyne back but truthfully he's gone at least one season too many.

It's a bit of a ragged bunch and Frost only adds to that mix.

[TGR 1,367]

22 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Wrong. He did his left knee twice.

He himself has said the first reco when he was a junior was not managed well.

Says who?

[Moonshadow 17,675]

41 minutes ago, TGR said:

Says who?

Having problems understanding the phrase "he himself"?

[Irish-Demon 14]

On 10/2/2019 at 11:35 PM, Macca said:

Oscar can become a better player as stated previously.  See a few posts above.  Whether that happens or not is up to Oscar.  And Petty might come on

But it's our forward line where the bigger problems lie.  Unless we fix that we won't progress far up the ladder

I was concerned about our forward line going into the season and was one of the few here that opened up the possibility that we might regress down to 10 wins because of that.  But 5 wins?  No one picked that.

How people can be happy with T-Mac & Weideman as our KPF's really surprises me.  I'm not sold on either.  Whether we can somehow find an alternative is a big ask too.  Maybe later on in the draft but I still reckon we might make a trade for a tall KPF from elsewhere as a 3rd option.  There's Joel Smith (maybe) but he can't get on the park.

I agree mostly with what you are saying. I just don't trust May and Lever's ability to stay injury free and when they are injured have we got the cover we WILL need. God I hope I'm wrong about O'Mac, and my injury concerns with our back-line. 

I think Smith's retirement will prove to be a big loss with the forwards.

[Irish-Demon 14]

On 10/2/2019 at 3:35 PM, bing181 said:

Petty, Tomlinson.

And O'Mac will be fine - with a full pre-season under his belt.

I hope so ........................

[Irish-Demon 14]

On 10/2/2019 at 2:49 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Hopefully we can get Tomlinson to play the swingman type role if need be and he can provide cover in that instance. He’s coming a fair bit cheaper than what old chicken with his head cut off is asking. 

 

 

On 10/2/2019 at 11:32 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

On SEN last week Frost said he was waiting to hear from Melbourne on a ‘fresh deal’. He’d been offered one earlier in the season but rejected it. 

Tickets-Frost: “Based on my age (26) and the year I’ve had, I imagine there would have been a few phone calls but I don’t know how serious a lot of those phone calls are or aren’t so I’ll just leave that to (manager) Anthony (McConville).” 

LOL (chicken head).........Ethan I hope I'm wrong, you say a fair bit cheaper, where/on who is the big money going ?

[Irish-Demon 14]

On 10/13/2019 at 8:54 AM, don't make me angry said:

He had a good year  in 2018 played well, so he has shown he is up to it but with lever and May hopefully playing a full year he is good depth, and if they don't well there could be trouble.

I rather have all Australian midfielder or forwards then all Australian defenders, Richmond showed that,  with Rance going down, if they did not have Lynch they would not have made top 4. Which brings the point of the post too many defenders.

He had a good year in 2018 because the ball was up in the other end of the ground............I don't think I'm too far wrong

[monoccular 17,413]

On 10/13/2019 at 11:23 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Ok. Thought it was both knees. Still a worry & to be shipping out our best defender this year is a Huge gamble, but it’s done now, so we all have to observe and hope it rolls. 

The Forward line... will it work next year?

it’s almost toss a coon....

 

On 10/13/2019 at 11:37 PM, Moonshadow said:

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Surprised that the ultra PC censor allowed it ?