12 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

What’s his main attribute ? Is he quick?

 

13 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

What’s his main attribute ? Is he quick?

he's quick and kicks the typical forward pocket type goals which we desperately need.

Thanks for the highlights, he might bring a few Richmond secrets along with him too.

He's very meh to my eye, but look, we are now scraping the bottom of the barrel for much needed speed in our forward 50.

Edited October 7, 20196 yr by A F

4 minutes ago, A F said:

He's very meh to my eye, but look, we are now scraping the bottom of the barrel for much need speed in our forward 50.

Yep a one trick pony

Mind you if he was cheap enough and could play pressure forward - it is something we are lacking badly

1 minute ago, Unleash Hell said:

Yep a one trick pony

Mind you if he was cheap enough and could play pressure forward - it is something we are lacking badly

A one trick pony is better than a zero trick pony

2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

A one trick pony is better than a zero trick pony

This. We have void that needs filling.

4 minutes ago, chookrat said:

A one trick pony is better than a zero trick pony

Depends how good the trick is I guess 

I’m pinning my hopes to a fully fit Mitch Hannan  2020 or even seeing how Lockhart develops with an afl preseason under his belt.

If Butler came cheap, yes- but I’m not really seeing him as the player many on here see.

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

The superstitious side of me says he should not have changed the premiership number.

Yep I rate Mitch, was last year purely injuries though?

Hannan TMac J. Smith

Melksham Weideman Fritsch

Still think our forwards aren’t too bad and hopefully our wingers will help get it in there more often .

Time for Weed to step up, TMac started to show his old self again before he got injured late.

I really rate Fritsch and Melksham very highly and Smith could be anything with a decent run.

If he's cheap why not. We need help retaining the ball in our forward 50 he has speed and is above average for pressure acts and elite for tackles inside 50 over his career.

Last man standing in the crumbing forward ranks why not?

The goal sneak is a rarity these days, especially in the Melbourne team.

Posted this in response to D58's query over Butler in the Langdon thread...

  5 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

It's Richmond's system and team pressure that makes average player look good. Not got a lot of interest in Butler out of that system. 

As with others, Langdon appears a very good fit. Also amazed how players pick up their form when their contracts are up for renewal.

Agreed but it is also able to work because of the recruiting side D58.

More players with leg speed = quicker closing speed = less time/space to decide/dispose = pressure cooker = increased turnovers.

And what are the Tigers the best at in terms of how they score? ....converting off turnovers AND keeping the ball in motion and getting the ball going forward (field position).  Whether that's through forward handballs or just knocking / slapping / spiking the ball on etc.  The most meters gained by any club in 2019.

Tigers also able to capitalise on their pressure / turnover / meters gained game with a very potent twin tall/quality small forward set up that pressure well at ground level.  Disposal skills also helping generally along with a rock solid defence behind the ball as we know.

There is definitely a method/system but it is very much attuned to taking advantage of their player strengths.  While there are no doubt many players better than Butler on their list, i would not discount his ability to bring some of the above attributes having been well drilled in the same method / system.

Even if he doesn't star, to some degree, he would also bring something else that might come in very handy as an opposition coach...inside intel / knowledge of what is probably the best system doing the rounds (for now anyway).

An in form garlett is better than most of the forwards being shopped around, shame he wasnt able to keep on top of his performances. Not sure what happened there but injury wasn't entirely to blame. 

Edited October 7, 20196 yr by Demons1858

Garlett was the only true small forward we had (Not counting players like Chandler or others who haven't played AFL). Others like ANB and JKH are playing half forward and racking up km's, and also playing forward. Spargo's best footy in 2018 wasn't as a goal kicker but as a play maker, someone who would create space or opportunity when they found the ball at half forward or running: he was rarely crumbing. 

Hannan and others are more medium forwards. 

I think we need to add at least one experienced player who can play this role to the list. 

We could do with Blakey from 'On The Buses' who could call him and say "I'll get you, Butler".

His manager said this morning that, if he is to leave, that his choices are pretty much down to Carlton or St. Kilda.  No mention of us.

On 10/8/2019 at 8:42 AM, Demons1858 said:

An in form garlett is better than most of the forwards being shopped around, shame he wasnt able to keep on top of his performances. Not sure what happened there but injury wasn't entirely to blame. 

Injury was this year. Last year when his form dropped off I believe there were off field issues impacting - similar to his last year at Carlton.

This year he was first picked in the praccie matches for the small forward role & he blew out a shoulder. In the season proper he was first picked again so obviously back in favour & was leading our goalkicking (small sample size) when be blew his shoulder again & ended his season.

Unless we had a replacement lined up, I'd have kept him on for another year. Because aside from him, in the small forward department we have got nothing. Nothing !

....AFL.com.au understands Butler will walk for next to nothing, with the Tigers well aware of St Kilda's long list of demands this Telstra AFL Trade Period. 

Butler, who is currently holidaying with Tigers teammates, has met with several clubs including the Saints and Carlton. 

His manager Alex McDonald of Hemisphere Management revealed to Telstra AFL Trade Radio this week he was forced to clarify mixed messaging from the Blues this week around his client.

Blues GM of List Management and Strategy Stephen Silvagni said on Monday the Blues had little interest in Butler, only minutes before list manager Michael Agresta admitted the club was still working through a process around the small forward.

Should the Blues miss out of Sydney target Tom Papley, their intent for Butler could increase again. 

Richmond's asking price falls in line with deals it did last year for Corey Ellis and Anthony Miles (combined for a swap of future third-round picks with Gold Coast), Sam Lloyd (pick 64) and Tyson Stengle (68). 

 

We aren't even bothering with this one if you believe Mahony today but still think it's a bit of a shame given how cheap he would come.  Butler isn't a stand out but if we aren't looking to grab a KF or medium mobile tall in the draft we are placing alot of faith in the present crop of players, including some returning from injury, and betting they will all stand up in 2020.

We have pick 26 sitting there which is a big jump on a 4th or 5th rounder being spoken of for Butler from the Aints.  Probably paying too much with that pick but if he came cheap enough?

Edited October 11, 20196 yr by Rusty Nails

I don't know why we're not looking at Butler. He's not a star, sure, but he is a goal sneak, and we don't really have any of those anymore. I think we need to stop looking at recruiting just stars. The Tigers recruited to fill roles and found guys who could be developed and work together as a team. We could do a lot worse for a low, cheap pick.

Add me to the list of people somewhat interested in Butler, but at the same time thinking we've got Hunt and Hannan who might not be as nippy but have extra size and aerial ability and can kick a goal a game too. Maybe we train those guys up on how to tackle and chase properly and they become better overall players than Butler

Butler would also only be a short term improvement I think, so the draft will be the long term answer. Just like Oscar stays and Frost goes due to contracts I can see Butler not coming and Hunt/Hannan staying for the same reasons.