Splitting Draft Pick 3

[Demon Forever 219]

12 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

In relation to your first question I think you’re pretty much correct. 

In attempting to answer your second question are you thinking along the lines of: He nominates Melbourne and we offer him a contract however GWS match the offer and force a trade? 

Spot on

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

19 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

Spot on

Technically I suppose it could happen. Personally I couldn’t see a RFA being used that way though. If we were keen to trade picks with GWS as we’re they and Tomlinson wanted to come to Melbourne, i’d Imagine they’d be done as seperate deals with an agreement. For example, we’ll trade you our picks 11 and 13 for pick 3 and we won’t match your offer for Tomlinson. 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[Forest Demon 4,681]

I believe Tomlinson is an unrestricted free agent? Meaning GWS can’t match the offer.

[binman 44,608]

13 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I rate Daniels, would be happy with 11, 13 and Daniels and a swap of later picks. 

Daniels is exactly what we need. 

How many games has Daniels played? How is his kicking?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

How many games has Daniels played? How is his kicking?

Just read that he signed until 2021 at the start of this year. 

So rule him out. 

He's super crafty, quick and very smart with ball in hands. High pressure and skilled. 

Think of a player that possesses all attributes that our team doesn't. Daniels is that player. 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

11 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

He's a free agent ffs!!

Just because hes a ufa doesnt mean he cant be traded for. 

In saying that depending how things turn out I'm not sure why you would trade for him

[binman 44,608]

17 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Just read that he signed until 2021 at the start of this year. 

So rule him out. 

He's super crafty, quick and very smart with ball in hands. High pressure and skilled. 

Think of a player that possesses all attributes that our team doesn't. Daniels is that player. 

I don't think the contract necessarily rules him out. Is he a Victorian?

[Red and Blue realist 2,061]

8 hours ago, Demon Forever said:

Giving GWS picks 15, 41 and 59 for Ed Langdon is down right stupid for only a 2nd round pick. Langdon should be done for pick 20 or whatever that turns into. I get what your trying to do but that is way over the odds. 

That wasn't the deal at all. Instead of just giving up pick 22 for Langdon, then going to the draft with picks 3, 41 & 59 we end up with Langdon, plus picks 13, 22 & 26 (and there'd be a good chance we'd also get another player out of GWS). On pure draft pick calculations (using the index), it values Langdon as an early 2nd, GWS get the equivalent points for their picks and we end up with the player we want plus downgrade our first pick to 13, don't lose our 2nd and pick up another decent 2nd for our 4th and 5th picks. When you actually take time to understand it, it's not over the odds at all, not saying it'll happen but based on the pure numbers this is a win-win-win for all clubs. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,617]

I’d keep pick 3 imo. The Josh Kelly outcome should be enough warning to keep our low pick. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,061]

7 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

In relation to your first question I think you’re pretty much correct. 

In attempting to answer your second question are you thinking along the lines of: He nominates Melbourne and we offer him a contract however GWS match the offer and force a trade? 

Can't see GWS matching any offers, if they did and then we (or whoever made the offer) didn't then trade they'd be in a whole lot of salary cap trouble, they'll be making plans to keep Whitfield and Cameron next year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a few others get shaken out of their this year as well. 

[DemonLad5 1,642]

42 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Just because hes a ufa doesnt mean he cant be traded for. 

In saying that depending how things turn out I'm not sure why you would trade for him

So trade for a player we can just get for free? Nice logic 

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Zac Langdon should be someone we target along with 11 and 13 for 2 

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

25 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Can't see GWS matching any offers, if they did and then we (or whoever made the offer) didn't then trade they'd be in a whole lot of salary cap trouble, they'll be making plans to keep Whitfield and Cameron next year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a few others get shaken out of their this year as well. 

I edited my original post which also made this point. 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[Red and Blue realist 2,061]

14 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I’d keep pick 3 imo. The Josh Kelly outcome should be enough warning to keep our low pick. 

Wondering if that argument would be brought up as much if GWS took Billings instead? Plus why doesn't anyone ever mention Carlton splitting their 2014 first round pick (7 for 19 plus Jaksch and Willey) - no winners there at all!! or in 2013 West Coast sending 6 & 44 (Scharenburg & Jesse White (traded for what became Aliir Aliir)) in exchange for 11, 31 & 44 (Sheed, Karpany & no gamer), still a clear win for WC.

Or that time we sent picks 6, 29 and our 2016 first (AhChee, Schoenfield & Will Brodie - all still on the Suns list and played a combined 10 games this year) for picks 3, 10 & 43 (became Oliver, Weid & Bugg). 

[Superunknown 4,241]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Just read that he signed until 2021 at the start of this year. 

So rule him out. 

He's super crafty, quick and very smart with ball in hands. High pressure and skilled. 

Think of a player that possesses all attributes that our team doesn't. Daniels is that player. 

I like your old stuff better than your new stuff (whoah-a-whooooah)

[Diamond_Jim 12,693]

7 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

I believe Tomlinson is an unrestricted free agent? Meaning GWS can’t match the offer.

according to this afl article you are correct

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-04/former-free-agents-among-50-names-added-to-2019-list

[Demon Dynasty 17,135]

22 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Looks like Giants want our pick 2/3 to stop the next pick # holder bidding on Green.  giants-are-eyeing-off-demons-no2-draft-pick

It means GWS is less likely to take their 1st round picks to the draft and Live Trade them so it gives us a bit of leverage in getting value for #2/3.

 

So you're telling me Cameron's a chance! 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

7 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

So trade for a player we can just get for free? Nice logic 

Doesn't make your original statement correct though 

[shorty 233]

Bonner and pick 11 + GWS 3rd Rd

 

[Demon Disciple 12,453]

25 minutes ago, shorty said:

Bonner and pick 11 + GWS 3rd Rd

 

No way would i do that trade.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Demon Disciple

[Redleg 41,963]

Given the salary cap room required by GWS and their apparent need for 2 top 5 players, who will be on base payments, our pick 2, but likely 3, could be extremely valuable. 

If we are prepared to split picks and take 2 players later in the first round, I would imagine GWS would also throw a good player or players into the deal, to get it done.

That could mean we turn our pick into 3-4 players.

If the bloke we want is Anderson and we lose the pick, we might rate the next batch fairly equally and be prepared to do a big deal of the type I have outlined above.

If that is possible, who could we reasonably target from GWS?

Edited August 30, 2019 by Redleg

[GetJonnoPatton 15]

7 hours ago, Redleg said:

If that is possible, who could we reasonably target from GWS?

Patton. No question.

If that’s not possible then one of their young small forwards - either Brent Daniels or Bobby Hill.

[ChaserJ 5,174]

If we split the pick, one or both of these two should be on our radar:

https://t.co/3BnQaERC42?amp=1

[Dee-licious 1,954]

Agree both of them highly valuable for what we need. If we can get an early 20s back then Williams would complement them both nicely. 

Also on the Tomlinson rumour - he met with Goody mid season and my understanding is his management is talking to the Dees at the moment (well last week) about what the contract would look like if he decides to move. 

[Dee Watcher 71]

Splitting the pick is only being considered for short terms results with Goodwin and Mahoney trying to save there jobs! 

We should be taking a top 3 pick and locking him away as we've traded for a few mature types in recent years with a less than stellar track record of actually getting it right!