He wasn't the only one what the hell is wrong with Gus he is right off the boil at the moment get him off that sugar free diet it has effected his stamina and decision making processes...........GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

14 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Did we get a free kick after half-time? I’m sure I looked at the stats at half-time and we were on 13 frees. Just had a look and we ended up on the same amount, I could be wrong. 

I was at the ground and someone mentioned Lions have received 11 free kicks in a row to our zero!! Mind you they were first to the ball so they deserved some frees but 11 in a row n a bit much.

As for the Umpires it appears that if the crowd don't call for it they appear oblivious to what should happen. Looked OK until half time then went pear shaped. Do they Really  Know the Rules?????????????????????????????

8 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

He wasn't the only one what the hell is wrong with Gus he is right off the boil at the moment get him off that sugar free diet it has effected his stamina and decision making processes...........GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Yes something is amiss with him. Gets the pill but turns it over to much for my liking. But at least he is getting it which is allot more than some on this team. Some of the efforts in last quarter particularly by our forwards was inept to say the least. They just let Lions backs just take it out to easily and some just did not put the effort in . In front of us a couple of our forwards were just jogging around doing F all.

7 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

He wasn't the only one what the hell is wrong with Gus he is right off the boil at the moment get him off that sugar free diet it has effected his stamina and decision making processes...........GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

He does not look happy or enjoying playing. He seems a very determined young man who has over committed  to the physical side of training and playing at the expense of skills. It has got him so far, and yes last year he was a standout but will struggle without improved skill application. Take a look at his effort 30 metres out in the right forward pocket yesterday. He had no idea how to align his body to the goals-target and kick truly. Now if the coaches do not pick up on things like that then as an individual and a team we will never improve.

Ahhh the 7 stages of grief as a football supporter

1. Shock and Disbelief
2. Verbally execute the coach/game plan/development
3. Anger - hence Blame the Umpires/free kick count
4. Depression, Lonliness, Reflection
5. Think of Who we can Trade
6. Acceptance
7. Drink

9 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Ahhh the 7 stages of grief as a football supporter

1. Shock and Disbelief
2. Verbally execute the coach/game plan/development
3. Anger - hence Blame the Umpires/free kick count
4. Depression, Lonliness, Reflection
5. Think of Who we can Trade
6. Acceptance
7. Drink

I wasn’t blaming the umpires, the better team will always win, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the coaches and players. Just interesting that we didn’t get a free kick after half-time. 

Drink is way too low on the list. 

Edited July 1, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

2 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Agree with TMac that simple dropped mark was unforgivable. 

In regards to Trac the pass was directed straight at his feet so can forgive him for fumbling it. The pass should have been straight at his chest yet due to lack of skills AGAIN it was a bad pass. 

The skill level of this team is appalling for professional footballers. It’s the worst in the afl. 

Auskick teams have better skills than us atm. 

If we can fix the skills and that’s a big if we would be a good team but we have been waiting a while for this to happen so don’t hold your breath. 

I agree but he still shouldn't have fumbled it.

We either handball to our teammates feet or loop it up in the air forcing them to sit and wait and inevitably get crunched in a tackle or dispose under pressure creating the start of a chain of panic disposals that inevitably leads to a turnover.

It drives me beserk.

 

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I wasn’t blaming the umpires, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the coaches and players. Just interesting that we didn’t get a free kick after half-time. 

Drink is way too low on the list. 

Whoa @Ethan Tremblay- that wasn't a serve at you- just a 'pithy' bit of psychobabble... 

I did toss putting drinks consecutively throughout

Edited July 1, 20195 yr by Engorged Onion

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not enoufh appreciation for Nathan Jones. I thought with him and Salem were our best ball user off half back.

If he keeps this form up i can see him turning into a Jarred McVeigh type for us off half back.

He was good offensively but how did he go defensively? There was one play in the 3rd quarter where he lost Lincoln McCarthy who took an easy mark deep in the forward line from a centre clearance.

1 hour ago, binman said:

Yes. Sort of. In so far as has he has pointed out himself his poor form is confidence related which i suspect is directly related to having had an interrupted pre season and carrying an injury.

And interrupted preseasons and injuries is not an excuse for poor form. It is a reason. The same reason the Tigers are struggling this year.  

I dunno. I'm holding out until next year to see how the club rebounds from this disastrous season. I've been quietly confident that we've been on the right track but I'm starting to waiver. If TMac and Weideman can't step up to the plate and if Goodwin refuses to adjust the game plan I'm sceptical we will turn this around enough to be perennial contenders and challenge for a flag.

We desperately need a key forward who can take the game over like Hipwood did yesterday. We need a small forward who can crumb and has goal sense. We need 2x outside mids with pace and skill. We need greater composure and/or a game plan that allows the players to play tempo footy instead of 100mph straight towards goals 100% of the game. We need Lever on the park and Petracca to attack the game like the beast he threatens to be.

That's a lot of things we need to find/change/go right if we're to challenge next year.

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He was good offensively but how did he go defensively? There was one play in the 3rd quarter where he lost Lincoln McCarthy who took an easy mark deep in the forward line from a centre clearance.

I think Jones might be smart enough to understand he can squeeze in a few more years as a defender. I think it has merit. On the other hand I think Viney only knows one way and that is bash, crash chaos footy. A leader for earlier times but not todays footy.  I did not like what may did yesterday, on the other hand if he was captain I would support it. He should put his hand up for 2020. 

27 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I wasn’t blaming the umpires, the better team will always win, the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the coaches and players. Just interesting that we didn’t get a free kick after half-time. 

Drink is way too low on the list. 

Drink is -100. ie drink before the game starts. Well before.

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

Ahhh the 7 stages of grief as a football supporter

1. Shock and Disbelief
2. Verbally execute the coach/game plan/development
3. Anger - hence Blame the Umpires/free kick count
4. Depression, Lonliness, Reflection
5. Think of Who we can Trade
6. Acceptance
7. Drink

My first seven steps precisely. I have a step 8.........Crack cocaine.

40 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We either handball to our teammates feet or loop it up in the air forcing them to sit and wait and inevitably get crunched in a tackle or dispose under pressure creating the start of a chain of panic disposals that inevitably leads to a turnover.

It drives me beserk.

 

Yep and until it’s fixed we ain’t going anywhere as a team. 

6 hours ago, binman said:

Yesterday was the perfect illustration of the impact of injury and big numbers of  players having had interrupted preseasons.

A lot is made of preseason injuries but we aren't the only ones.  Coll, Rich and a few others could claim loss of players in preseason or early season injuries. 

And, St Kilda had a bad run with preseason/early season outs.  McCartin, Hannebery, Carlisle, Stevens, Roberton, Geary.  All best 22.  Without counting, those 6 have probably missed as many if not more games than our missing best 6.  Yet they managed to win 6 games without them in the first half of the season and achieve a reasonable %.   And really their list is nowhere near as talented as ours.

Yesterday's smashing was because we had no physicality.  There was no ferocity, no real effort to tackle or put bodies on the line. Had we done those things we may still have lost but not thrashed. 

In a word, we were timid.

Referring back to preseason surgeries and injuries feeds the 'time will sort things out' narrative and papers over underlying issues.

Edited July 1, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Surely we all agree that Salem will have nothing to answer for after his hit yesterday with the Big O. Still a tad nervous when the MRO is involved though, there’s been plenty of ? moments previously.

No excuse but imagine being a player after the weekend and then having to back up and attend training at Goschs Paddock. 

Imagine you do not believe in Goodwins game plan but have to carry it out.

Imagine you do not believe in Vineys crash and bash leadership style.

 

34 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A lot is made of preseason injuries but we aren't the only ones.  Coll, Rich and a few others could claim loss of players in preseason or early season injuries. 

And, St Kilda had a bad run with preseason/early season outs.  McCartin, Hannebery, Carlisle, Stevens, Roberton, Geary.  All best 22.  Without counting those 6 have probably missed as many if not more games than our missing best 6.  Yet they managed to win 6 games without them in the first half of the season and achieve a reasonable %.   And really their list is nowhere near as talented as ours.

Yesterday's smashing was because we had no physicality.  There was no ferocity, no real effort to tackle or put bodies on the line. Had we done those things we may still have lost but not thrashed. 

In a word we were timid, yesterday.   

Referring back to preseason surgeries and injuries feeds the 'time will sort things out' narrative and papers over underlying issues.

Imo preseason surgeries are no excuse for pathetic skills.

Agree with what you say too Lucifer. 

3 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Believe it or not, there were some encouraging signs.

I agree @Mazer Rackham

Dare I say it, but CP5 looks like he could have a break out game and announce he is a superstar like Charlie Curnow that Lyon, Bristle et al, have banged out about since his draft year....

But seriously, he is playing very very good football at the moment.

21 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

No excuse but imagine being a player after the weekend and then having to back up and attend training at Goschs Paddock. 

Imagine you do not believe in Goodwins game plan but have to carry it out.

Imagine you do not believe in Vineys crash and bash leadership style.

 

mmmm imagine projecting your own thoughts on to players.

Edited July 1, 20195 yr by Engorged Onion

Terrible the kneejerk responses on this site.

Some perspective: we have had the absolute worst by a big margin injury list this year. Players come back but it takes time to get match fit and new players to the club need time to settle. 

Brisbane has the least injuries of any club. Only one player (Cutler) is currently not available. They are settled, well coached I admit and well lead, but they know one another's games. Our blokes are second guessing about one third of their teammates.

Hipwood has played 66 games and usually stuffs up at least half his disposals. He averages 1.5 goals a game. He kicked five. Too bad. He kicked like a donkey a few weeks ago and cost them the game. This time he didn't. Our lousy luck. Weid had played 29 games for just under one goal a game. Get off his back. It's too soon to make a call on him.

Having said that I really cannot credit this week's lack of midfield attack but bad games happen. These are the times to stay staunch. 

Salem Free to Play

 

20 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

mmmm imagine projecting your own thoughts on to players.

All ok Onion.  Footy Clubs are interesting places as we all know. Something is not right this year. I have no idea what that really is but can imagine some of the rumblings. I just find it strange the silence from players around the second rate, no way beyond second rate, facility that is Goschs paddock. Hats off to the supporters that get to training, but you could not criticize anyone who does not want to stand in that windswept park. Forgetting the players for a moment, how many supporters are disadvantaged by the facility. No decent cover, seating, or toilets, wheelchair access parking nearby, questionable location for women and the elderly safety. All this contributes to a lack of club inclusiveness and atmosphere. I am sure of one thing players get a lift when they have good support at training. It is human nature. 

On a positive the best two things I  ever saw as a Dee supporters was a full stadium , I think it was at the Junction, welcome to correct me the Thursday before our first finals appearance in 87. I have never seen the camaraderie, before our since and our  lap around the G before the game two days later.

27 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

All ok Onion.  Footy Clubs are interesting places as we all know. Something is not right this year. I have no idea what that really is but can imagine some of the rumblings. I just find it strange the silence from players around the second rate, no way beyond second rate, facility that is Goschs paddock. Hats off to the supporters that get to training, but you could not criticize anyone who does not want to stand in that windswept park. Forgetting the players for a moment, how many supporters are disadvantaged by the facility. No decent cover, seating, or toilets, wheelchair access parking nearby, questionable location for women and the elderly safety. All this contributes to a lack of club inclusiveness and atmosphere. I am sure of one thing players get a lift when they have good support at training. It is human nature. 

On a positive the best two things I  ever saw as a Dee supporters was a full stadium , I think it was at the Junction, welcome to correct me the Thursday before our first finals appearance in 87. I have never seen the camaraderie, before our since and our  lap around the G before the game two days later.

It was the junction oval, how often did you go to training there?