1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

This sentence, in this post. Is that irony, hypocrisy or both?

neither - May is old and slowing and we have many with the same skills set. May has a limited future and Hogan will be productive long after May is finished. May will get the chance to prove himself but so far I am not convinced we got the best of this trade, we pushed Hogan out the door.

Just now, Deehumanizing said:

neither - May is old and slowing and we have many with the same skills set. May has a limited future and Hogan will be productive long after May is finished. May will get the chance to prove himself but so far I am not convinced we got the best of this trade, we pushed Hogan out the door.

For full clarity though, let's remember the full trade scenario ended up being:

OUT: Hogan, Pick 65 (which they didn't use)

IN: May, Kolodjashnij, Sparrow

 

1 minute ago, Deehumanizing said:

neither - May is old and slowing and we have many with the same skills set. May has a limited future and Hogan will be productive long after May is finished. May will get the chance to prove himself but so far I am not convinced we got the best of this trade, we pushed Hogan out the door.

May is old and slowing in the same way that Gawn is old and slowing. Mays 'limited' future takes us through to 2023-2025 depending on his health. There's a lot of water to go under the bridge between now and then. Brian Lake only played 3 years for Hawthorn... May won't be our games record holder but he is more than capable of helping us get some silverware. 

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

For full clarity though, let's remember the full trade scenario ended up being:

OUT: Hogan, Pick 65 (which they didn't use)

IN: May, Kolodjashnij, Sparrow

 

Hogans numbers are still better than these three put together. Sparrow may have a future but The Suns boys have been unproductive and struggled to get on the park. KK seems soft and injury prone, May is just plain over rated.

58 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

May is old and slowing in the same way that Gawn is old and slowing.

May was not in good enough shape to make the team, he has played one full game and was ordinary and unaccountable, like his fitness. I do not think there is a forward in the league that would hold any fears about being matched up on May, most would love it as much as the pies forwards did.

17 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

Hogans numbers are still better than these three put together. Sparrow may have a future but The Suns boys have been unproductive and struggled to get on the park. KK seems soft and injury prone, May is just plain over rated.

Probably need a sample size bigger than 1 game before judging it myself, but you're entitled to your opinion.

 

1 hour ago, Deehumanizing said:

May was not in good enough shape to make the team, he has played one full game and was ordinary and unaccountable, like his fitness. I do not think there is a forward in the league that would hold any fears about being matched up on May, most would love it as much as the pies forwards did.

You can prove almost anything with dodgy stats deeH.

For example Hogan has been replaced in the forward line this year by Jayden Hunt who has kicked more goals than Hogan this year, Hunt has more tackles, more inside 50's, more goal assists, better disposal efficiency, more clearances, more rebound 50's, more metres gained, more intercepts etc,etc, so we are better off. Plus we have May KK and Swallow for free!

Edit :- Italics indicate jest and ridiculous use of stats.

Edited June 17, 20196 yr by ManDee

2 minutes ago, ManDee said:

You can prove almost anything with dodgy stats deeH.

For example Hogan has been replaced in the forward line this year by Jayden Hunt who has kicked more goals than Hogan this year, Hunt has more tackles, more inside 50's, more goal assists, better disposal efficiency, more clearances, more rebound 50's, more metres gained, more intercepts etc,etc, so we are better off. Plus we have May KK and Swallow for free!

So how come we are third last?

Just now, old dee said:

So how come we are third last?

Because we are playing like 5hit!

Just now, ManDee said:

Because we are playing like 5hit!

Hardly news MD.

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

Hardly news MD.

I know but I was making a point about the dodgy use of stats, if I could be bothered I think I could find some stats showing an improvement on last year. I am not going to look as it could lead to severe depression! 

 

Edit: So I did look at big Max.

50% more kicks, 20% more disposals, 50% more inside 50's, and double the clearances this year. ☹️

Edited June 17, 20196 yr by ManDee

16 minutes ago, ManDee said:

so we are better off. Plus we have May KK and Swallow for free!

If we are better off then why are we having such a bad year? These three have not really proved they are worth anything yet. We have just about swapped spots on the ladder with Freeo from last year. We do not have any consistent key forwards. Hunt is doing better than last year but results suggest we are not better off.

I would like to see Preuss in like I have for the last 3 weeks but I ain’t holding my breath. 

13 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

If we are better off then why are we having such a bad year? These three have not really proved they are worth anything yet. We have just about swapped spots on the ladder with Freeo from last year. We do not have any consistent key forwards. Hunt is doing better than last year but results suggest we are not better off.

I didn't mean we were better off, I was pointing out the folly in arguments based solely on stats. We are much worse than last season but it is not because Hogan left.

Edited June 17, 20196 yr by ManDee

2 hours ago, Deehumanizing said:

not really - check out marks in our forward line that end in goals.

When reality bites you have to accept it.You were caught out.

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

You can prove almost anything with dodgy stats deeH.

For example Hogan has been replaced in the forward line this year by Jayden Hunt who has kicked more goals than Hogan this year, Hunt has more tackles, more inside 50's, more goal assists, better disposal efficiency, more clearances, more rebound 50's, more metres gained, more intercepts etc,etc, so we are better off. Plus we have May KK and Swallow for free!

Edit :- Italics indicate jest and ridiculous use of stats.

Hogan kicked 47 goals in 20 matches for the MFC last season.

Weideman AND McDonald have kicked a COMBINED 16 goals in 20 matches for the MFC this season.

31 goals less from your TWO key forwards.

 This is despite Melbourne having had the SECOND HIGHEST NUMBER of forward entries of all clubs so far in 2019.

Not dodgy stats at all ManDee. Just reality. 

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

I know but I was making a point about the dodgy use of stats, if I could be bothered I think I could find some stats showing an improvement on last year. I am not going to look as it could lead to severe depression! 

 

Edit: So I did look at big Max.

50% more kicks, 20% more disposals, 50% more inside 50's, and double the clearances this year. ☹️

I understand, in the end the only statt that matters is the score board and that start says we are terrible.

16 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Hogan kicked 47 goals in 20 matches for the MFC last season.

Weideman AND McDonald have kicked a COMBINED 16 goals in 20 matches for the MFC this season.

31 goals less from your TWO key forwards.

 This is despite Melbourne having had the SECOND HIGHEST NUMBER of forward entries of all clubs so far in 2019.

Not dodgy stats at all ManDee. Just reality. 

Hogan is scoring half as many goals this year per game compared to last year.

Sam Weideman is the same as last year. (Goals per game)

Tommy Mac is having a mare, however he is up on turnovers and clangers.

 

Edit: Please attempt to see humour, I understand that we are putrid this year.

Edited June 17, 20196 yr by ManDee

Oh boy

https://www.theage.com.au/podcast/the-age-real-footy-podcast/how-much-of-an-x-factor-is-jesse-hogan-20190617-p51yhf.html

59 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Oh boy

https://www.theage.com.au/podcast/the-age-real-footy-podcast/how-much-of-an-x-factor-is-jesse-hogan-20190617-p51yhf.html

Since Jesse Hogan left Melbourne and joined Freo, the teams' fortunes have swung, with the Dockers pushing for a finals berth and the Dees sliding down the ladder.

One could feel it coming....

Probably the only thing to get a crowd along... could be as low as 16k but I think we will just crack 20k.

When was the last time Freo won at the MCG?

Edited June 17, 20195 yr by Diamond_Jim

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Since Jesse Hogan left Melbourne and joined Freo, the teams' fortunes have swung, with the Dockers pushing for a finals berth and the Dees sliding down the ladder.

One could feel it coming....

Probably the only thing to get a crowd along... could be as low as 16k but I think we will just crack 20k.

When was the last time Freo won at the MCG?

They just beat collingwood there and from what I can remember haven’t had any issues beating us at the G.

3 hours ago, Deehumanizing said:

If we are better off then why are we having such a bad year? These three have not really proved they are worth anything yet. We have just about swapped spots on the ladder with Freeo from last year. We do not have any consistent key forwards. Hunt is doing better than last year but results suggest we are not better off.

Agree Deeh......

Not sure Hunt is better than last year......sure hes played more games & kicked a few goals but his efficiency is down this year to an average of 67% (75% 2018) & meters gained at 225m (309m 2018). Marks almost exactly the same as last year too.....I mean how is someones year measured against previous year?

Uncontested marks, disposals,, distance covered etc? He does however look better for me in the forward line & less margin for error as we hope hes shooting for goal more often.

I agree that we are no better off at this point.....[censored] in fact!

 

 

47 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Since Jesse Hogan left Melbourne and joined Freo, the teams' fortunes have swung, with the Dockers pushing for a finals berth and the Dees sliding down the ladder.

One could feel it coming....

Probably the only thing to get a crowd along... could be as low as 16k but I think we will just crack 20k.

When was the last time Freo won at the MCG?

May v Hogan should be a ripper

Turn Tom Mac out for three weeks, send him North to dabble his toes in the Gold Coast surf and bring in Pruess.

For gods sakes Goodwin we need to see what he can offer.

Try to turn Stretch into a tagger. He is fit and can run well and his body, although not super strong, is just about fully mature. Otherwise he is lost to us. We need to make better players with the players we have got.

Send Jack Viney with Tom Mac North for some rest and toe time in the gold coast waters, he's giving us nothing and the whole team balance is out with Jack and Jones in the same team.

Send Spargo back to the VFL for the rest of the year and play him in the guts to try and toughen him up otherwise he is just going to become the whipping boy of Demonland which is really unfair for a young kid in his second year (some of you ought to be ashamed).

Bring in JKH for a good 3 weeks and then lets see what we've got. I think he could be okay. Lockhart as well.

Stop playing Fritsch back. He is a half forward flanker. Play him there Goodwin and be done with it, your ruining him.

32 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

 

Stop playing Fritsch back. He is a half forward flanker. Play him there Goodwin and be done with it, your ruining him.

Fritsch is a beautiful kick but has horrible peripheral vision. He needs to kick at goal where it can’t get intercepted.

When he goes down back he nails his kicks at our blokes but doesn’t see the opposition coming across who ultimately intercept it.