Crowd incident - Hawks Dees

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

Anyone that finds it necessary to engage in physical and/or verbal violence at a football game is somewhat intellectually challenged or disabled IMO. I can’t tell much difference between the two. 

[DubDee 26,117]

12 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Where are you from, I moved here when I was 8 and started following the Dees then before Sean and Jimmy came over. went back twice  with my folks in the mid 80s and in the 90s by myself.

I'm from Tallaght but also lived in Crumlin 

ah yes know those spots.  I grew up in Artane.  Dad's family is still in summerhill and i take my life in my hands when i visit them!

i went back to work in Dublin in my 20's.  was tough to leave.  still miss the pubs/social scene and the humour but Melbourne is my fav city in the world. 

[dieter 3,325]

47 minutes ago, ManDee said:

For those advocating that the Hawthorn supporter got what he deserved I say an intelligent human would assess the situation and walk away knowing that there is no benefit in escalating the situation.

An intelligent person would not have been anywhere near that situation in the first place.

[ManDee 7,220]

3 minutes ago, dieter said:

An intelligent person would not have been anywhere near that situation in the first place.

Are you suggesting that an intelligent person would not barrack for Melbourne? You may have a point.

[dieter 3,325]

14 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Are you suggesting that an intelligent person would not barrack for Melbourne? You may have a point.

Touche. My wife questions my intelligence constantly.

I make up for it by keeping the kitchen clear and clean and cooking all the meals. She settles for that sometimes.

When I was a younger man a Spanish floor cleaner at the State Bank told me that with women you never win.

At the risk of being labelled a misogynist, I am beginning to see he may have had a point.

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by dieter

[Ugottobekidding 1,192]

14 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

I always feel uncomfortable sitting among supporters who are drinking, something which is hard to avoid when attending our replacement games because of the large crowds. Alcohol free areas should be increased at the ground, no matter how unpopular that move may be. Alcohol leads to these unsavoury and dangerous incidents. Going to the football should be about watching the football and supporting your team, not drinking all day and becoming agitated and turning violent because of opposition supporters . If someone is being unsociable report them to security. There is a number which is advertised on the scoreboard to report unacceptable behaviour, or find the nearest ground staff or security worker to deal with the problem. They are there to do a job, which is security. Make them earn their pay. Violence is not the answer, even if provoked. 

On another note, this year I have noticed a slip in the keeping out of opposition supporters in our reserved seats. The workers at the gates seem to be more relaxed in their observation of this. We have had to call them to move on various opp. supporters who were causing trouble in our area, and some even waltzed in carrying beers and sat down in what was obviously a Melbourne only area. The attendants used to be much more strict. Even when I left to go to the ladies I was asked to show my membership card when I wanted to return to my seat. Now it seems fairly slack. This is disappointing, because this can lead to confrontations. Everyone needs to lift their standards in their jobs. In the first quarters of games, two security guards do a little patrol of our area and then you never see them again. In past years they would pass through frequently. Perhaps there has been cutbacks. If so, this is an area where there should not be.

Alcohol is the only thing that got me through the last ten years of watching melbourne.

[ManDee 7,220]

1 minute ago, dieter said:

Touche. My wife questions my intelligence constantly.

I make up for it by keeping the kitchen clear and clean and cooking all the meals. She settles for that sometimes.

When I was a younger man a Spanish floor cleaner at the State Back told me that with women you never win.

At the risk of being labelled a misogynist, I am beginning to see he may have had a point.

 

Only a fool would try to win. 

"I am sorry you were right." Works a treat, regardless of the facts.

A pyrrhic victory is not worth it. 

[dieter 3,325]

Just now, ManDee said:

Only a fool would try to win. 

"I am sorry you were right." Works a treat, regardless of the facts.

A pyrrhic victory is not worth it. 

Never said anything about trying to win. Lost that urge in 1989 when I met her. It's just that, Yes, dear, doesn't cut it either. Please remember, my wife IS Polish. 

[ManDee 7,220]

2 minutes ago, dieter said:

Never said anything about trying to win. Lost that urge in 1989 when I met her. It's just that, Yes, dear, doesn't cut it either. Please remember, my wife IS Polish. 

My brother married a Pole, you have my deepest sympathy respect!

[Ethan Tremblay 30,962]

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

Get what your saying, but it would appear there is too much separation between incidents for that to be relevant. Even with the Hawk's guy being the aggressor in this, the video clearly shows him walking in the other the direction and the Melbourne supporter catching up with him to punch him. Probably no chance of a self-defense argument in this context. 

Old mate deserved a punch in the head from all reports and I have little problem with it given the Melbourne bloke squared up to his face, gave him an opportunity to defend himself and didn't continue after the guy went down. That's about as civilized as a fight gets these days. 

I was going down the lines of Provocation. 

[dieter 3,325]

39 minutes ago, ManDee said:

My brother married a Pole, you have my deepest sympathy respect!

Came across a food stand at Eumundie Market  a few years ago. Somebody walked past with a dish that looked like Bigosz, a sauerkraut and sausage dish, one of the proofs there is a God, and it turned out there was actually a food stand run by a Polish Couple in their late fifties. I told the woman my wife was Polish and she produced a Tea Shirt - Pray for me, My wife is Polish. There is a male version as well. Another time at the Europa Cake shop in Carnegie I told the Polish woman the same thing. She replied, Polish girls keep you on your toes. I replied, Unfortunately I'm not a ballerina.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,908]

I like that Demonland allows Melbourne supporters to express their views (apart from extremist, defamatory and derogatory comments). But this thread is the most aggressive I've ever seen. I'm both amazed and dismayed by some of the arguments. Mostly, though, I'm disappointed that anyone can defend a man punching another person. It doesn't matter whether that person was intellectually disabled or not. It doesn't matter that the Hawks supporter caused the attacker to lose his beer. What does matter is that a single punch can kill or maim someone for life.

Everyone, do yourselves a favour and have a look at the James Macready-Bryan Foundation. I don't know him or anyone around him, but his story should remind us all of what's really important. And while you're there, think about making a donation.

[Smokey 4,389]

40 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I was going down the lines of Provocation. 

Either way, your post is quite confusing. You've said he has a reasonable defence for the charges, but also stated he won't be charged at all. Provocation is a partial defence that will be considered by the courts with respect to sentencing, not by the police in determining whether a criminal offence has occurred. 

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Smokey

[Nasher 33,617]

15 hours ago, DV8 said:

Just say what you think... do you think it is OK, to slap another person to the face?

yes or no ?

No, I don’t think that’s okay either, but obviously there’s a much lower chance of doing serious damage with an open handed slap. Like anything, there are degrees of seriousness in assaults. I’ve never heard one anyone being killed by a one-slap, have you?

[Maxwell Edison MD 143]

Reportedly filmed after the match.

[Smokey 4,389]

8 minutes ago, Nasher said:

No, I don’t think that’s okay either, but obviously there’s a much lower chance of doing serious damage with an open handed slap. Like anything, there are degrees of seriousness in assaults. I’ve never heard one anyone being killed by a one-slap, have you?

It's not necessarily the result of the punch or slap in itself. A powerful slap can easily knock someone to the ground, and the damage in these cases is often caused by the impact of the head hitting the ground, and not the strike itself. 

[Nasher 33,617]

8 minutes ago, Smokey said:

It's not necessarily the result of the punch or slap in itself. A powerful slap can easily knock someone to the ground, and the damage in these cases is often caused by the impact of the head hitting the ground, and not the strike itself. 

Yeah, I know that. Although I’d still say it’s much less likely on balance of probabilities to skittle someone with a slap. I was just trying to answer DV8’s seemingly inane question.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,962]

42 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Either way, your post is quite confusing. You've said he has a reasonable defence for the charges, but also stated he won't be charged at all. Provocation is a partial defence that will be considered by the courts with respect to sentencing, not by the police in determining whether a criminal offence has occurred. 

 

So if you guys over there arrest a suspect for common assault (or whatever the equivalent is) and in interview they bring up provocation would you consider it when deciding to charge or always charge and let the courts decide? You’ve sort of answered it above but just want to clarify. Over here we’d consider it when deciding whether or not charge. I suppose that’s where some of the confusion came from. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[Ethan Tremblay 30,962]

26 minutes ago, Maxwell Edison MD said:

Reportedly filmed after the match.

He appears to be more switched on than your average person from Rockingham (think Frankston 20 years ago). 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay

[pewpewpew 738]

27 minutes ago, Maxwell Edison MD said:

Reportedly filmed after the match.

I guess I'll preface this by saying (lest I offend anyone) that it is never ok to hit someone in the head in retaliation unless in self defence. However something doesn't sit right with the quoted interview (minutes?) after the incident and the terrified lad the next day.

 

[Beetle 4,673]

14 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

So if you guys over there arrest a suspect for common assault (or whatever the equivalent is) and in interview they bring up provocation would you consider it when deciding to charge or always charge and let the courts decide? You’ve sort of answered it above but just want to clarify. Over here we’d consider it when deciding whether or not charge. I suppose that’s where some of the confusion came from. 

Provacation won't come into it when deciding if charges are laid. It wasn't really self defence given the victim was walking away..

I'm curious whether the victim will in fact sign up to a statement however, because of the lead up events.

The "offender" could well request unlawful assault charges be laid for the beer slap...it "could" be argued the beer slap itself was done intending fear...

 

[daisycutter 29,716]

when in doubt, turn to the mrp......

demon dlckhead: intentional, high contact, low impact  - 1 week

dorks dlckhead:   intentional, low contact, low impact   -  fined $1500 ($1,000 of suspended)

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

16 hours ago, DV8 said:

agreed jrMc.

Disabled... very difficult to tell he's disabled,  if your saw him at the footy being interviewed.  especially if he'd been drinking.?

Don't condone what has taken place. Judging by all the attention he's getting, this might have been a publicity stunt for more viewership for Arsenal FanTV. Sorry i mean Hawks FanTV.

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Win4theAges

[radar 1,865]

Thought it was our captain. In Thailand and video not great. 

If it was Chunk, on the field,  cop 4 weeks. 

[radar 1,865]

How is that other court case going?

after Rich Hawks Final last year, alleged Wellington Parade bashing. 

Are solicitor family of accused doing everything possible to keep it out of media?