On 01/05/2019 at 03:12, Sir Why You Little said:

Well the purple scrap is not always correct. 

This better not become a major fire ? if in fact it is smoking at all. I will not put up with more infighting. 

It is “put up or Shut up time”

i want action on the field and nowhere else. 

Don't worry SWYL there is no smoke.  The scrap on here is between two trolls going [censored]-for-tat to stir the pot on stuff that is 6 months old and has no relevance to us today.  Just ignore them.

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:17, Lucifer's Hero said:

Don't worry SWYL there is no smoke.  The scrap on here is between two trolls going [censored]-for-tat to stir the pot on stuff that is 6 months old and has no relevance to us today.  Just ignore them.

I would feel better if we had some words from The President. His silence over Summer has lasted long enough. 

This thread is great! Keep it up

IMHO... The current s#1t show we are witnessing on field is a direct result of the Football Department performance over the past 3 years. Draft and trade strategies, game plans, skills, conditioning are all bearing fruit now, and compounded by a bit of bad luck with injuries (noting we're not alone here)

The personnel in the FD, and their strategies and tactics and have been in place well before Pert arrived, in fact they have been formed and implemented under the watch of Mahoney.

I think (hope) that small shift is strategies and tactics, a little bit more luck with injuries and a better run of preparation into 2020 will have us performing much closer to the lfoty expectations of pre 2019.

The test for Pert will be guiding and supporting Mahoney et al to make the required adjustments. Or facilitating more significant changes should they be required.

I won't rush to judgement on him until he has a chance to make an impact.

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:17, Lucifer's Hero said:

Don't worry SWYL there is no smoke.  The scrap on here is between two trolls going [censored]-for-tat to stir the pot on stuff that is 6 months old and has no relevance to us today.  Just ignore them.

Very calm today LH valium for breakfast?

Edited May 1, 20195 yr by old dee

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:22, old dee said:

Very calm today LH valium for breakfast?

That is rather cheeky of you, od! ?

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:23, Lucifer's Hero said:

That is rather cheeky of you, od! ?

A little humour is required by all members of the MFC LH.

Without it we would have all gone mad years ago.

  On 30/04/2019 at 20:38, Bring-Back-Powell said:

It’s just a coincidence that we’re playing 2013 Melbourne football as soon as Jackson left the joint...right?

Actually, yes. It certainly is. 

  On 30/04/2019 at 22:06, ProDee said:

But you'd have to be a gene short of a moron to think our on-field performances have anything to do with Pert.  On a scale of 1-100 his influence is 0.

By this logic, we should never have got rid of Cameron Schwab then right? Remembering the catalyst for him getting moved on was 2 enormous losses at the start of the 2013 season. We were investigated for tanking with him at the helm, how can you possibly say the CEO has 0 influence over on-field performance? You seemingly have little understanding of how corporate structures operate in practice.

  On 01/05/2019 at 00:38, dazzledavey36 said:

Yep, i put full blame on Pert for our midfielders being completely lazy and not running both ways, not able to hit targets from 15m out and constantly bombing to our forwards heads at all times.

The 1-5 start is completely on you Perty!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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Well if it's not Pert it must be the curse.

????

You know several Demonlanders need someone to blame 

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:42, Smokey said:

By this logic, we should never have got rid of Cameron Schwab then right? Remembering the catalyst for him getting moved on was 2 enormous losses at the start of the 2013 season. We were investigated for tanking with him at the helm, how can you possibly say the CEO has 0 influence over on-field performance? You seemingly have little understanding of how corporate structures operate in practice.

Schwab was interfering with football matters.

The only thing relating to the footy department that Pert has been involved with is signing Goodwin to a long term deal, which by all accounts was a popular move.

Over time Pert will shape the Footy department - mainly with funding, direct hiring of staff, decisions on facilities as well as more indirectly with leadership/staff development etc. 

Its just too early to judge him on that when he hasn’t made those decisions. 

If I wasn't crying into my cornflakes so much at the moment this OP would be giving me a good laugh.

1. The teams failure onfield is all Pert's fault and if only Mahoney was the CEO like PJ wanted him to be none of this would have happened and we'd be sitting on top of the ladder. Oh Dear! Hang on Mahoney's the head of the FD that's failing so miserably. But it's not his fault he should be the CEO, it's Pert's fault.  Hmmm interesting logic. 

2. Pert shouldn't have been appointed the CEO because he meddled in the FD at Collingwood. Pert shouldn't be the CEO because the current Melbourne FD isn't performing and it's his fault and he should interfere with the FD.  Hmmm interesting logic. 

3. Pert shouldn't be the CEO Mahoney should be because PJ wanted a succession plan that gave him a continuing job as a mentor. It doesn't matter that the two biggest issues for the next CEO are facilities and building memberships for the long term survival of the Club. It doesn't matter that Mahoney has absolutely no experience in either of these areas and that Pert's the most experienced and successful CEO in both these areas. 

4. Pert's track record so far at MFC. He came out and made a bold statement about membership targets. The following week we had the biggest single increase in year on year membership for the corresponding period that we've ever had. Our membership numbers are going to be around 15% higher than last year's record. Our best increase year on year before that has been about 5-6%. Yes part of that is due to last year's improved performance but the numbers show his direct impact on the increased memberships already.

5. Pert jumped in and gave Goodwin a contract extension. He is therefore a failure. Mahoney is the head of the FD. His role is to oversee the FD and make the personnel calls. He would send the recommendation to the CEO who should empower the person in Mahoney's position to make that call. That in turn as a process has to be ratified by the Board. Can you imagine the discontent if Pert stepped in and overruled Mahoney on this. 

6. It's shaping up to be a tough off season for the FD. Unfortunately he is probably have to be engaged in that to some extent. At least in requiring a review. But ultimately he should entrust the head of the FD to do that. 

7. By the end of the season with most of a full list back on the park we will be playing good footy again and most of this crisis will be a thing of the past. (I believe.) Injuries, form of so many key players and a very short pre season have created a perfect storm. It will pass. No one will be crediting Pert when that happens and neither should they. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:20, Sir Why You Little said:

I would feel better if we had some words from The President. 

You need someone to make you ''feel'' better ?  As though words will somehow make a difference ?

  On 01/05/2019 at 01:14, Matsuo Basho said:

We have gone from prelim finalist to wooden spoon fancy in seven games. There were clear rumblings of discontent when Pert was appointed. And now we have inner sanctum staff (Misson) publicly pointing fingers, covering hides and attempting to deflect blame now that things have gone pear shaped. 

No scapegoats. Just facts. To say that Demonland posters are responsible for these issues ... well, it’s real ‘ding dong Drysdale’ stuff.

 

 

Posting often doesn’t make you right.

Personally I don’t feel like Pert has any influence on our current on field outcomes. Just the same as PJ had no influence, besides challenging the footy dept when required.

Fanciful and trollish to keep suggesting otherwise I think. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 04:23, It's Time said:

6. It's shaping up to be a tough off season for the FD. Unfortunately he is probably have to be engaged in that to some extent. At least in requiring a review. But ultimately he should entrust the head of the FD to do that. 

 

Agree with most of your post 'It's' but the whole of the FD including the head should be reviewed.

I would think a review by someone with experience from outside the club will be called for...

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:02, Cards13 said:

Posting often doesn’t make you right.

Personally I don’t feel like Pert has any influence on our current on field outcomes. Just the same as PJ had no influence, besides challenging the footy dept when required.

Fanciful and trollish to keep suggesting otherwise I think. 

Doesn’t make me wrong either. 

Nor does floating a plausible theory make me a ‘troll’. 

And again, anyone who doesn’t think off field has real potential to affect on field is extraordinarily naive.

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:02, Cards13 said:

Posting often doesn’t make you right.

Personally I don’t feel like Pert has any influence on our current on field outcomes. Just the same as PJ had no influence, besides challenging the footy dept when required.

Fanciful and trollish to keep suggesting otherwise I think. 

Jackson and Pert are very different fish.

Their histories suggest  very different approaches..

At Melbourne Jackson left the football completely alone. It's not his thing. He had Roos to completely oversee the football, both onfield and off field. PJ just righted the ship and made it seaworthy.

Pert is notorious for leaving his fingerprints all over the football. I will be very surprised if he doesn't make his presence known and thoughts manifest should we continue to spiral.

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:02, rjay said:

Agree with most of your post 'It's' but the whole of the FD including the head should be reviewed.

I would think a review by someone with experience from outside the club will be called for...

Agree with you rjay. But hopefully Mahoney leads from the front in recommending this and it's not left to the new CEO to have to push it. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:53, DeeSpencer said:

The only thing relating to the footy department that Pert has been involved with is signing Goodwin to a long term deal, which by all accounts was a popular move.

That we know of ... 

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:22, It's Time said:

Agree with you rjay. But hopefully Mahoney leads from the front in recommending this and it's not left to the new CEO to have to push it. 

one step further surely...Mahoney would be under review also surely

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:32, beelzebub said:

one step further surely...Mahoney would be under review also surely

Agree. Although I suspect by the end of the season things will be looking a lot better. Mahony seems to be very highly regarded by all at the club including Perty. 

  On 01/05/2019 at 03:20, Sir Why You Little said:

I would feel better if we had some words from The President. 

And I'd feel better with a big fat doobie.

Token words by the CEO or president to appease members is the least of our needs atm 

Edited May 1, 20195 yr by Moonshadow

  On 01/05/2019 at 04:38, ProDee said:

You need someone to make you ''feel'' better ?  As though words will somehow make a difference ?

Communication is a very important function, considering the plummet we have endured since September. 

You don’t have to read it or listen, if you are not interested. 

I would like to hear what the president has to say. 

  On 30/04/2019 at 11:57, _H_ said:

Any thoughts on whether Gary Pert leaving Collingwood was good for them, and him becoming CEO of Melbourne has beeen bad for us?

I haven't heard anything bad about Pert, he hasn't been there long enough to be a problem, and I assume our poor form this year is purely coincidental with Pert's arrival.

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:41, Sir Why You Little said:

Communication is a very important function, considering the plummet we have endured since September. 

You don’t have to read it or listen, if you are not interested. 

I would like to hear what the president has to say. 

You mean you can't work it out ?

  On 01/05/2019 at 05:15, beelzebub said:

Pert is notorious for leaving his fingerprints all over the football. I will be very surprised if he doesn't make his presence known and thoughts manifest should we continue to spiral.

Eddie Everywhere put up his hand in an interview and stated that as the President he told Pert to go in and get involved in the FD at Collingwood when it wasn't going well. Is that what you're talking about? Haven't heard of any other instances. What else do you have for saying this?