Imagine if David Boon had drunk his 37 cans en route to England ??????? in 2019. He would be hounded to the point of death!

when Boonie actually did it in the 80’s he was lauded for it. 

It was fun.....

Matthew Kreuzer sits comfortably with Watts on level of output achieved in careers thus far (and that's sfa). Kreuzer has an excuse though, he's been injured for a majority of them, but he is not a great warhorse, more like a broken down horse (if he is a great warhorse, then that makes me Phar Lap).

But to say that Watt's is so far behind the likes of Kreuzer, Swallow, Patton and even Boyd (he played his best footy on the biggest stage, but he did sfa before or since) is a little far-fetched. And let's not forget Paddy McCartin, who has probably done less at the same stage of his career, nor has Weitering been any decent yet either.

Malcolm is just continuing to be Malcolm.............clueless.

p.s. i have never been a huge Watts' fan and think Goody was right in trading him out, but the cr@p that Blight has dribbled represents the knowledge of an imbecile

Edited February 4, 20196 yr by Demon Disciple

4 hours ago, MFC-11 said:

At the time (like other contributors) I was disappointed they gave Jack away or rather got rid of him. 

On reflection, I now see that Goodie and his crew recognised Jack's long term worth - party boy, uncommitted to doing the hard stuff, etc. Nice bloke but I'm really glad they pist him off/ie/sent him packing!

And used the 2nd round pick to get the Fritter.

Clearly, our club is in great management hands.

I'm still trying to get over Hoges.

And was said to be leading others, astray....

now... who were his besties. back then. ???

 

50 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2019-malcolm-blight-says-jack-watts-could-be-the-worst-no-1-pick-ever/news-story/d1ae4648989a81660a8cdd5b4bf14bd3

Wow blighty didn't hold back. But he does make a few good points when talking about players that have gone 31 before him or after him. 

What confuses me about this though before he snorts the stuff he appears to be looking at the camera and says are you ready. Or is he just saying it to those around him. Surely he could notice someone has there phone recording it. Then today he says he didn't know he was being filmed. 

I reckon he's making money out of the attention... in some fashion.

4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I wonder what the AFL has to say about this?

It does have a Respect and Responsibility Policy in place and whilst the emphasis is on physical violence and mental abuse of women, it also sanctions activity that degrades women and this is a prime example of exactly that. Forget the woman in the video who willingly took part in Watts’ little escapade. Think of women in general; think of the image Watts is representing and think of the example this sets for young kids who look upon AFL players as heroes.

As far as Port Adelaide is concerned, they are heading for a fall - neither they nor their player appear to be particularly remorseful. That’s a sure sign that there are cultural problems at that club. 

IF watts knew he was to be filmed... and then to screen the video,  to maybe make some money by views... then a Deregistration is in order, for bringing the game into disrepute.

Edited February 4, 20196 yr by DV8

34 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Imagine if David Boon had drunk his 37 cans en route to England ??????? in 2019. He would be hounded to the point of death!

when Boonie actually did it in the 80’s he was lauded for it. 

It was fun.....

Boonie never took the money and ran... He was always a Pro onfield,  with extraordinary commitment and determination to the team, the game, and to his country.

Boonie simply would never take a short step in his chosen game.

 

He earned every single beer he wanted, and still had credits in his account.

 

 the key words are commitment, determination to the cause, and an honesty in his onfield actions few show.

jw,  would be the equivalent of his boot licker, at best.

9 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Matthew Kreuzer sits comfortably with Watts on level of output achieved in careers thus far (and that's sfa). Kreuzer has an excuse though, he's been injured for a majority of them, but he is not a great warhorse, more like a broken down horse (if he is a great warhorse, then that makes me Phar Lap).

But to say that Watt's is so far behind the likes of Kreuzer, Swallow, Patton and even Boyd (he played his best footy on the biggest stage, but he did sfa before or since) is a little far-fetched. And let's not forget Paddy McCartin, who has probably done less at the same stage of his career, nor has Weitering been any decent yet either.

Malcolm is just continuing to be Malcolm.............clueless.

p.s. i have never been a huge Watts' fan and think Goody was right in trading him out, but the cr@p that Blight has dribbled represents the knowledge of an imbecile

I largely agree with this.

Boyd is rubbish, Patton has done nothing, and McCartin has done less than 'tip toes'.

I disagree re Kreuzer.  While he is a battler, he's at least had a top 3 B&F finish and made the AA squad of 40.  He's demonstrably been better than Watts.  More importantly, he has courage in the air.

Edited February 4, 20196 yr by ProDee

8 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Matthew Kreuzer sits comfortably with Watts on level of output achieved in careers thus far (and that's sfa). Kreuzer has an excuse though, he's been injured for a majority of them, but he is not a great warhorse, more like a broken down horse (if he is a great warhorse, then that makes me Phar Lap).

But to say that Watt's is so far behind the likes of Kreuzer, Swallow, Patton and even Boyd (he played his best footy on the biggest stage, but he did sfa before or since) is a little far-fetched. And let's not forget Paddy McCartin, who has probably done less at the same stage of his career, nor has Weitering been any decent yet either.

Malcolm is just continuing to be Malcolm.............clueless.

p.s. i have never been a huge Watts' fan and think Goody was right in trading him out, but the cr@p that Blight has dribbled represents the knowledge of an imbecile

Actually, Blight was only talking about the five no 1 picks either side of Watts, not the very recent ones. Patton is not comparable due to knee injuries. Boyd was arguably BOG in a premiership... I'd take that over Watts' output any day!

However, the gist of what Blight is saying is that Watts has had an underwhelming career and is a waste of a no 1 pick. And he's right. Calling a guy of his pedigree clueless and an imbecile says more about you than him.

 

Oh boy. I'm glad that this isn't our mess to clean up.

19 hours ago, Soidee said:

Ive had my fair share of fun in my 60 years pal!  I bet if you ask that girl whether she was having fun, the answer might surprise you.  People like me pal may just have seen more of life than you.  The difference was, I was never stupid enough to be filmed.  If you don’t get the bad look issue, you never will.  

I'm sorry but if she is consenting she is consenting. if you question whether she was having fun, then you must question whether he was too. Otherwise, it a massive double standards. 

I agree he was silly to get filmed but he was in fricking Germany where no-one knows him. he is having fun with a legal substance and there was no nudity whatsoever.  

While I have made some comments on this, thinking about it last night made me angry. In particular, about one a series of events before Jack was traded.

My recollections of the time were of Jack fronting the media (at press events no other player would have organized for them outside the auspices of the club) shooting us his sad puppy dog look and insisting that he didn't want to leave when 'success was around the corner'. There was the whinging about how the club 'didn't want good kicks in the team' and his  Dad complaining 'how he was being crucified' (Jack surely could have knocked that comment on the head if he wanted to). Finally, there was him coming out to say that he chose Port over us as he thought they were the better team (as if the decision was solely in his hands). 

Instead of playing the media game with Paul Connors (don't tell me that camera crew at Tullamarine was there by chance and just randomly ran into Jack), he could have shown the AFL industry that he had taken on board the feedback given. He could have stated while he was disappointed with the decision, it was a kick in the bum and that he was hellbent on proving us wrong. That he was handing the reins of Skwosh over to his 2IC for a few years and he was going to get the most out of what he had left of his career. That he was going to hit the track early and try his best to win over his new teammates.

Sadly, it seems that nothing has sunk in. In fact, it seems that his party boy lifestyle has now been laid bare (we heard rumblings but it was never confirmed like this). The week before he was traded showed me that he seems to have a sense of entitlement that has shaped his career. I wonder how blokes like Daniel Cross, James Magner and Chris Dawes would have felt seeing this? Were they given the chance to plead their case on national TV to keep their spot on the list? They mostly were disappointed but accepted it and then moved on. They mostly got that no one is entitled to a spot, this is something that has yet to dawn on Jack yet it seems.

I felt sorry for Jack in how he was handled in his debut season. However, the 'it's everyone else's fault but mine' line has had no currency since 2015. He has to frigging grow up.

Edited February 4, 20196 yr by Hillary Bray
Wanted to add one thing

16 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I wonder what the AFL has to say about this?

It does have a Respect and Responsibility Policy in place and whilst the emphasis is on physical violence and mental abuse of women, it also sanctions activity that degrades women and this is a prime example of exactly that. Forget the woman in the video who willingly took part in Watts’ little escapade. Think of women in general; think of the image Watts is representing and think of the example this sets for young kids who look upon AFL players as heroes.

As far as Port Adelaide is concerned, they are heading for a fall - neither they nor their player appear to be particularly remorseful. That’s a sure sign that there are cultural problems at that club. 

Tricky word, "sanction". I know what you mean, but "sanction" can be used both negatively and positively. I hope everyone who read this realises that you were using "sanction" to mean "disapproves of" rather than "approves".  

16 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I wonder what the AFL has to say about this?

It does have a Respect and Responsibility Policy in place and whilst the emphasis is on physical violence and mental abuse of women, it also sanctions activity that degrades women and this is a prime example of exactly that. Forget the woman in the video who willingly took part in Watts’ little escapade. Think of women in general; think of the image Watts is representing and think of the example this sets for young kids who look upon AFL players as heroes.

As far as Port Adelaide is concerned, they are heading for a fall - neither they nor their player appear to be particularly remorseful. That’s a sure sign that there are cultural problems at that club. 

Port in 2013 to 2014 were in a similar situation to us now.  A brilliant season in 2014 getting to the prelim with a very young list and a 5 year premiership window.  Then Hinkley decided to be a big softy and let that %$^* Kane Cornes play games at the start of 2015 just to get to 300 and Port has been [censored] ever since, including 2015.  So Watts is just a sign of the ongoing cultural problems at Port. Just shows never take stuff for granted, including where we are now.  It can unravel easily through bad player management.  We seem to have the right people in place not to let that happen though.

20 hours ago, hemingway said:

Organisational culture and setting standards starts from the top and goes all way down. Amazing that it took the Club 50 years to do it. 

Our culture at times has been very good especially during the Barassi & Northey tenure's.  Neale Daniher's time as well wasn't too bad.  And we are doing quite well now.

So it isn't 50 years H unless you measure things by premierships.

But you are spot on about the fish rotting at the head ... we have had any number of poor managers or people in positions of authority failing at their jobs. 

Blaming the A-end of a problem is just an easy out.  Poor management = poor culture.  

 

35 minutes ago, Macca said:

Our culture at times has been very good especially during the Barassi & Northey tenure's.  Neale Daniher's time as well wasn't too bad.  And we are doing quite well now.

So it isn't 50 years H unless you measure things by premierships.

But you are spot on about the fish rotting at the head ... we have had any number of poor managers or people in positions of authority failing at their jobs. 

Blaming the A-end of a problem is just an easy out.  Poor management = poor culture.  

 

Appreciate your comments Macca. 

I would have thought there were culture issues in those years you mentioned. 

Frustration from Ron towards the players and the club, a lot of players p...off with Ron, committee members wondering why the messiah couldn't perform miracles. Northey I guess built a winning take no prisoners culture although Committee members got p....off with him. Admin and footy club were poles apart.. Also during this time the Hollywood Boulevard players ruled the roost and this continued to some extent under Daniher. There were Daniher favourites and those that did not get a look in. 

I don't think we have seen a time when the Club has been so united on and of the field. 

6 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Appreciate your comments Macca. 

I would have thought there were culture issues in those years you mentioned. 

Frustration from Ron towards the players and the club, a lot of players p...off with Ron, committee members wondering why the messiah couldn't perform miracles. Northey I guess built a winning take no prisoners culture although Committee members got p....off with him. Admin and footy club were poles apart.. Also during this time the Hollywood Boulevard players ruled the roost and this continued to some extent under Daniher. There were Daniher favourites and those that did not get a look in. 

I don't think we have seen a time when the Club has been so united on and of the field. 

Spot on. 

I have always wanted to know the root causes of ND’s massive discrepancies in output between odd and even seasons

It has never been properly addressed to Members

not having a go at ND here, but there was big problems we were not privvy to

I still chuckle at the meltdown from 70% of posters when we traded this guy away.

I was always hoping Roos would trade him out after his first season in charge.

20 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Appreciate your comments Macca. 

I would have thought there were culture issues in those years you mentioned. 

Frustration from Ron towards the players and the club, a lot of players p...off with Ron, committee members wondering why the messiah couldn't perform miracles. Northey I guess built a winning take no prisoners culture although Committee members got p....off with him. Admin and footy club were poles apart.. Also during this time the Hollywood Boulevard players ruled the roost and this continued to some extent under Daniher. There were Daniher favourites and those that did not get a look in. 

I don't think we have seen a time when the Club has been so united on and of the field. 

If we could go back and add 4 or 5 top players to those Northey & Daniher teams we almost certainly would have won a flag or 2.  And top management goes with all that.  And a good culture.

And you win flags then everything is viewed differently.  We've never had the talent levels in my opinion.  Hopefully that changes.

And just on being a top player ... as a forward the front position is a prerequisite and so is the ability to take a contested mark.  Basic skills 101.  Without those basics a tall forward can never be a top player.

if you are actually offended by this, you live an utterly depressing life and I feel sorry for you. 
 

Jack is a very naughty boy.

 

How can you be ropeable at someone for snorting a legal substance from the chest of a willing participant? People need to get out more. 

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

How can you be ropeable at someone for snorting a legal substance from the chest of a willing participant? People need to get out more. 

I'm not a prude but legal substance and willing participant aside it's not a great look. I wouldn't be thrilled if it was one of the wholesome players on our list.

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Appreciate your comments Macca. 

I would have thought there were culture issues in those years you mentioned. 

Frustration from Ron towards the players and the club, a lot of players p...off with Ron, committee members wondering why the messiah couldn't perform miracles. Northey I guess built a winning take no prisoners culture although Committee members got p....off with him. Admin and footy club were poles apart.. Also during this time the Hollywood Boulevard players ruled the roost and this continued to some extent under Daniher. There were Daniher favourites and those that did not get a look in. 

I don't think we have seen a time when the Club has been so united on and of the field. 

Losing all the time impacts all footy people... even opposition supporters see and expect it of us,   after years of us being "also-rans".

When these kids grow... and some get recruited to the Dees, they still harbour these images and sub conscious thoughts.

 

They enter into a club full of subtle hidden defeatist attitude...  which turns itself into an internalised  social mindset, and social party atmosphere...  This to help get through the seasons of hell.

 

Enter Barassi, or even a Neeld...  and this attitude and defensiveness has to be smashed open...  removed and repaired.  It takes years to do this. 

And a lot of mental pain for all,  and a much playing for oneself, survival instinct... and a lot of work.

Under theses mental attitudes and defensive mindsets, learning rarely occurs within anxious minds. (see the think tank)

 

Johnny Northey inherited a club that was already turned around into the correct direction... sailing, tacking, with the wind in its sails... but just not the scores on the board to that point.

 

Add in a few good (fortunate) recruiting decisions... and we were almost away..

Add another emotional ingredient... and the side grew in belief enormously,  based on the feet, legs and shoulders of  'Slug' Jordans kids.

 

Remember 'mumbles' Bailey,  a young Chris Connolly, Battiston, Wight, Lyon, Yeates, Grinter, Williams, the Lovett's, O'Dwyer, Eishold, Newport, Fidge boys, young Healy, Campbell, Febey boys, Lovell. etc

These boys were the platform that the late 80's and early 90's success stories, were built upon...  Add the senior recruits to the mix and a fresh faced Coach, and away it rolled.

 

Sadly, this WIN attitudes waned in the 90's some time...  and a Hollywood theme grew.

 

...

Edited February 5, 20196 yr by DV8

11 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

How can you be ropeable at someone for snorting a legal substance from the chest of a willing participant? People need to get out more. 

Koch is just jealous. 

It is pathetic, i would laugh in his face. 

Menthol, Glucose and Sugar in October

”Mind your own Business Kochie...”

(Sunrise is such an appalling excuse for a TV News program, not without its own little controversies from time to time...)

I know we have a 24 hour news cycle and way too many wannabe journalists trying to eke out a living, but this obsession that society has with being offended by every little thing that is said and done by consenting adults in private simply astounds me.

Jack is a silly boy for letting himself be filmed but beyond that, who cares? He is enjoying himself, in the off season, out of the country and no laws have been broken. Port are entitled to be disgruntled about the impact on their image, but Koch is the last person who can complain about having private acts splashed across the media - he has made a career out of doing it to others.

Yes, Jack is a supremely talented footballer who may look back on his career as a waste, but that is his cross to bear.  He has been paid extremely well to do something he enjoys for over a decade, has lived a life that most of us can only dream of, and has plenty of options post-football. Good luck to him.

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Koch is just jealous. 

It is pathetic, i would laugh in his face. 

Menthol, Glucose and Sugar in October

”Mind your own Business Kochie...”

(Sunrise is such an appalling excuse for a TV News program, not without its own little controversies from time to time...)

It's a news program?