Whatever you think of Hawthorn no one wants to see the best players sidelined no matter who they play for, particularly such a serious injury. Really sad for the bloke.

  On 11/01/2019 at 06:52, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

It's not just those two either.  Most of their best 22 are well into the wear-out phase of their careers.

Has to make you wonder about the rebuilding they've done, so far.

Do they have any undercover gems over there ?

  On 11/01/2019 at 11:04, monoccular said:

Horrible thing to happen to anybody.

Will take a very long time to recover tohis high standards, if at all.

Mitchell has never been quick... so has no pace to lose, to speak of.   But his endurance will suffer a bit...  IF he's off legs for a long time.

But surely he would have  a rod put in the Tibia... So why miss a full 6 months ?

  On 11/01/2019 at 07:56, daisycutter said:

two clean breaks.....tibia and fibula......ouch!

operated on probably tomorrow

It would've been done by now, I would think.

  On 11/01/2019 at 06:21, faultydet said:

A year out hey?

Christ I hate Hawthorn.

 

Finally a Hawthorn free September.

Theres no way they are making the finals without him,  he was their entire midfield.

  On 11/01/2019 at 16:37, Petraccattack said:

Finally a Hawthorn free September.

Theres no way they are making the finals without him,  he was their entire midfield.

They have that [censored] Sheilds that runs around there as well, but all he's good for is making stupid sledges that backfire. I'd really love for us to absolutely smash the Hawks next season and really stick it up those arogant aholes.

Horrible news for Tom, wonderful news for Hawks haters (me included)

On a serious note, nothing worse than catastrophic pre season injuries. Wishing him a speedy recovery.

At least they still have Scully ?

Edited January 11, 20196 yr by Jaded

  On 11/01/2019 at 10:03, dieter said:

Interestingly, the Hawks - who I hate, have done since the Scott/Mathews reign of terror - have proved you don't need high draft picks to become a great side. They just very cannily seduce the right kind of fellas to come on down and maybe win a flag or two.

Ture, but it certainly didn't hurt them to pick up Luke Hodge with the No.1 pick in 2001 and then Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis with picks 2, 5 and 7 a few years later in 2004.

I know the draft has always been a bit hit and miss with no guarantees, but I think there are some stand out/generational players like Riewoldt, Hodge, Judd, Franklin etc that are never going make it out of the top 5 and having picks in thay range gives a club the opportunity to have a crack where others don't.

  On 11/01/2019 at 07:54, big_red_fire_engine said:

 Anyone who is happy about this has issues.  

 
Fork the  cherry pickers, and their arrogant forken supporters.
I also hope Scullys forked and O'meara struggles for the rest of his career.
I was at the 87' prelim, the '88 GF and work with several whorethorne supporting flogs.
Yeah I've got issues.

 

Edited January 12, 20196 yr by Fork 'em

I do like this gem.  Are Hawthorn reliant on Mitchell much?

 

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Courtesy of Twitter user @sirswampthing

Edited January 12, 20196 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

  On 11/01/2019 at 16:37, Petraccattack said:

Finally a Hawthorn free September.

Theres no way they are making the finals without him,  he was their entire midfield.

Weren't the finals Hawthorn-free in 2017?

  On 11/01/2019 at 23:18, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Ture, but it certainly didn't hurt them to pick up Luke Hodge with the No.1 pick in 2001 and then Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis with picks 2, 5 and 7 a few years later in 2004.

I know the draft has always been a bit hit and miss with no guarantees, but I think there are some stand out/generational players like Riewoldt, Hodge, Judd, Franklin etc that are never going make it out of the top 5 and having picks in thay range gives a club the opportunity to have a crack where others don't.

There is some risk but I do like the way we are swapping out our high picks for known quantities (Lever/May) who will be automatic, guaranteed and important top 10 players for us. There is bit of the ‘what if’ factor by opting out of the high first round picks and does make draft day a bit dull for us supporters but it does seem the sensible and higher percentage way to go. 

Lower picks have also had their own stand out/generational players too

Danger at pick 10

Rance 18

Fyfe 20

Jono Brown 30

Goodes 43

Scarlett 45

Harvey 47

Swan 58

Hird 79 (although some sort of weird family thing here)

And then a couple of favourites. The park footballer who mistakenly wandered onto an AFL ground, Jeremy McGovern at 74 and Dean Kemp, a 2 X Premiership player, AA, B & F, 243 games and Norm Smith medallist at 119!

By the time he retires our own Max Gawn (34) may possibly be considered the ruckman of this generation too

  On 12/01/2019 at 00:46, FarNorthernD said:

There is some risk but I do like the way we are swapping out our high picks for known quantities (Lever/May) who will be automatic, guaranteed and important top 10 players for us. There is bit of the ‘what if’ factor by opting out of the high first round picks and does make draft day a bit dull for us supporters but it does seem the sensible and higher percentage way to go. 

Lower picks have also had their own stand out/generational players too

Danger at pick 10

Rance 18

Fyfe 20

Jono Brown 30

Goodes 43

Scarlett 45

Harvey 47

Swan 58

Hird 79 (although some sort of weird family thing here)

And then a couple of favourites. The park footballer who mistakenly wandered onto an AFL ground, Jeremy McGovern at 74 and Dean Kemp, a 2 X Premiership player, AA, B & F, 243 games and Norm Smith medallist at 119!

By the time he retires our own Max Gawn (34) may possibly be considered the ruckman of this generation too

...T Mac 53!

Edited January 12, 20196 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

  On 12/01/2019 at 00:46, FarNorthernD said:

There is some risk but I do like the way we are swapping out our high picks for known quantities (Lever/May) who will be automatic, guaranteed and important top 10 players for us. There is bit of the ‘what if’ factor by opting out of the high first round picks and does make draft day a bit dull for us supporters but it does seem the sensible and higher percentage way to go. 

Lower picks have also had their own stand out/generational players too

Danger at pick 10

Rance 18

Fyfe 20

Jono Brown 30

Goodes 43

Scarlett 45

Harvey 47

Swan 58

Hird 79 (although some sort of weird family thing here)

And then a couple of favourites. The park footballer who mistakenly wandered onto an AFL ground, Jeremy McGovern at 74 and Dean Kemp, a 2 X Premiership player, AA, B & F, 243 games and Norm Smith medallist at 119!

By the time he retires our own Max Gawn (34) may possibly be considered the ruckman of this generation too

I also like that we have wisely used our low picks well of late on solid compeditive types - Trac, Clarry, Gus.  I think there is a higher probability of sucess with this type of player taken at a low pick.  ...now if only we had of gone for Wines!

A full year missed seems a lot if there is no other tissue damage, as reported.

Anyone remember how quickly Garry Lyon came back after his break in round 22, 1987?

Just answered my own question: Lyon played round one 1988 after a leg break on the cusp of the finals so surely Mitchell could be back in the second half of the season. 

To answer an earlier question Nathan Brown's break was massive and compound. Very complex break (I think) close to the knee joint and he never was the same again.

PS: very sorry for Mitchell, but if any coach can overcome a loss like this A Clarkson is the man.

Edited January 12, 20196 yr by pitmaster

  On 12/01/2019 at 00:24, Fork 'em said:

 
Fork the  cherry pickers, and their arrogant forken supporters.
I also hope Scullys forked and O'meara struggles for the rest of his career.
I was at the 87' prelim, the '88 GF and work with several whorethorne supporting flogs.
Yeah I've got issues.

 

You speak to my dark heart.

A Hawthorn player out of action...

Care =0

  On 12/01/2019 at 02:12, pitmaster said:

A full year missed seems a lot if there is no other tissue damage, as reported.

Anyone remember how quickly Garry Lyon came back after his break in round 22, 1987?

Just answered my own question: Lyon played round one 1988 after a leg break on the cusp of the finals so surely Mitchell could be back in the second half of the season. 

To answer an earlier question Nathan Brown's break was massive and compound. Very complex break (I think) close to the knee joint and he never was the same again.

PS: very sorry for Mitchell, but if any coach can overcome a loss like this A Clarkson is the man.

Nat Fyfe came back too early from his broken leg and broke it again 7 months later which effectively wrecked 2 seasons.   Both times against Hawthorn.  It sounds like Fyfes leg wasn’t as serious as Mitchell’s double break.

  On 11/01/2019 at 23:18, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Ture, but it certainly didn't hurt them to pick up Luke Hodge with the No.1 pick in 2001 and then Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis with picks 2, 5 and 7 a few years later in 2004.

I know the draft has always been a bit hit and miss with no guarantees, but I think there are some stand out/generational players like Riewoldt, Hodge, Judd, Franklin etc that are never going make it out of the top 5 and having picks in thay range gives a club the opportunity to have a crack where others don't.

Because of their success since 2008, I doubt they've had any 'choice' draft picks since 2004. That was my point. As you point out, that's catching up with them now.

 

Edited January 12, 20196 yr by dieter

 Fyfe also lost considerable time due to the dirty plick Sam Mitchell using he knees during his many "clumsy' tackling attempts.

  On 11/01/2019 at 12:10, DV8 said:

Has to make you wonder about the rebuilding they've done, so far.

Do they have any undercover gems over there ?

Yep, Ryan Burton....

...but they traded him to Port.

  On 12/01/2019 at 02:12, pitmaster said:

A full year missed seems a lot if there is no other tissue damage, as reported.

Anyone remember how quickly Garry Lyon came back after his break in round 22, 1987?

Just answered my own question: Lyon played round one 1988 after a leg break on the cusp of the finals so surely Mitchell could be back in the second half of the season. 

To answer an earlier question Nathan Brown's break was massive and compound. Very complex break (I think) close to the knee joint and he never was the same again.

PS: very sorry for Mitchell, but if any coach can overcome a loss like this A Clarkson is the man.

Brown was also part of the era of “rushing back”, getting back early from an injury.

“So and so is reported to be aiming for rnd  blah which will be a record recovery for that kind of injury.” 

Ruined careers like Brown and Schwartz before him. Clubs seem to a little more sensible these days. 

  On 12/01/2019 at 05:39, Cards13 said:

Brown was also part of the era of “rushing back”, getting back early from an injury.

“So and so is reported to be aiming for rnd  blah which will be a record recovery for that kind of injury.” 

Ruined careers like Brown and Schwartz before him. Clubs seem to a little more sensible these days. 

Clint Bartram.

Well l feel sorry for Tom but not the Hawks.   STUFF THEM AND  THEIR SUPPORTERS.  However you look at it that is football life and l   am sure there are many that feel the way l do. As  the saying goes  QUE SERA SERA.

Jeff  Kennett  and the arrogant Hawks supporters, your season is over !

Edited January 12, 20196 yr by nosoupforme

Sorry for Mitchell.

Hate Hawthorn. Hate Kennett.

I was also present at 1987 Preliminary Final and 1988 GF. (Had we won 1987 Prelim, we would have been thumped the following week.)

I also hate the filth, but that may not be relevant to this thread.