On 06/10/2018 at 04:13, ProDee said:

Harmes is only going to get better.  Imagine training all summer with the inside mids.

Jones is ordinary out on a wing.  I think 2019 could be his last.  I'd be amazed if 2020 isn't.

Tyson is hopeless out on a wing.  I'm happy for Tyson to stay as depth on the inside, but if I'm Tyson I'm not staying.  But if Tyson is a stupid person he may be happy to.

Given Id prefer the chance to edin a premiership than not, if I was Tyson I'd stay if the were no longer/ better offers out there or if I seriously backed myself to be a better inside mid then Harmes over the next 5 years.

Personally I'll think he'll go,  but that could be a trade that hurts us longer term because I think he is worth more than what we'd get for him on the market. 

Edited October 6, 20186 yr by deanox

  On 06/10/2018 at 04:13, ProDee said:

Harmes is only going to get better.  Imagine training all summer with the inside mids.

Jones is ordinary out on a wing.  I think 2019 could be his last.  I'd be amazed if 2020 isn't.

Tyson is hopeless out on a wing.  I'm happy for Tyson to stay as depth on the inside, but if I'm Tyson I'm not staying.  But if Tyson is a stupid person he may be happy to.

Just on that as someone who went to training a fair few times Harmes did most of the training with the mids. They did a lot of stoppage and similar midfield drills with all the mids, and the most common guys who they used as the outlets were Baker, Stretch and Jones IIRC.

I still think Harmes can get better due to experience but he also doesn't really have to. I'll take his last 2 months on repeat for the next 5 years! He can go forward or back as well but he's a mid, that's what he always was, a strong body who likes the contest and following the ball.

Tyson - well he's already got some business interests with the golfing t shirts and might follow his fathers foot steps and get in to sports apparel or sports business. He might be as clever as any player on our list, not sure it's too high a bar! If he stays he surely knows he's depth and could be delisted if he doesn't improve and spends the year in the VFL. He might be happy not playing AFL footy after next year if the alternative is 2019/2020 at the Suns. I'd imagine he'd jump at a 2 year deal for another Victorian club, but we're yet to hear of serious interest from anyone. Is there any Vic club out there who doesn't have 5 inside mids with better skills and speed?

Unless we get a very good offer, I'd like Tyson to see out his contract as we wont get much in an trade at this stage.  At his absolute worst, he is very good inside midfield depth.  At his best, he's a very good contributor at senior level. 

I'll back him in to improve in 2019.  If he doesn't, I'm not sure he'd have reduced his trade value by much.  If he does step up, then we've got a good player on the list, or a much more valuable one to trade at the end of his contract.

  On 06/10/2018 at 05:00, DeeSpencer said:

I'd imagine he'd jump at a 2 year deal for another Victorian club, but we're yet to hear of serious interest from anyone. Is there any Vic club out there who doesn't have 5 inside mids with better skills and speed?

He has interest from Victorian clubs so I would think if the trade & deal is right he will be on the move.

He is a good player, it's just our list has similar types and the FD are backing others ahead of him. Will be a good addition at a club that he suits (clubs with plenty of outside run to cover) as he was for us when he first came on board.

Edited October 6, 20186 yr by rjay

  On 06/10/2018 at 05:07, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Unless we get a very good offer, I'd like Tyson to see out his contract as we wont get much in an trade at this stage.  At his absolute worst, he is very good inside midfield depth.  At his best, he's a very good contributor at senior level. 

I'll back him in to improve in 2019.  If he doesn't, I'm not sure he'd have reduced his trade value by much.  If he does step up, then we've got a good player on the list, or a much more valuable one to trade at the end of his contract.

Tend to agree in the sense that you trade to better or improve the list. The unfortunate thing is that the outside mid is almost last year's intercept marker and the KPF of the year before. Hard to see us getting much better from another club but I'm open to offers as is the club obviously.

There's a more appropriate place for Jones discussion probably in his upcoming main board review thread but suffice to say people have very short memories.  Along with Clarrie he carried our inside midfield at the start of the year before Brayshaw blossomed, Viney's first stint and Harmes amazing development. The BnF results are testament to this.  Sure he has been legitimately pushed out of the starting set to the wing which doesn't suit his game but he's too good not to be in the 22 and is 1st cab of the rank to fill any starting inside vacancy.  People should show due respect.

Edited October 6, 20186 yr by Fifty-5

  On 06/10/2018 at 06:47, Fifty-5 said:

There's a more appropriate place for Jones discussion probably in his upcoming main board review thread but suffice to say people have very short memories.  Along with Clarrie he carried our inside midfield at the start of the year before Brayshaw blossomed, Viney's first stint and Harmes amazing development. The BnF results are testament to this.  Sure he has been legitimately pushed out of the starting set to the wing which doesn't suit his game but he's too good not to be in the 22 and is 1st cab of the rank to fill any starting inside vacancy.  People should show due respect.

respect? around here? i'd like to see that.

fwiw, the unnecessary bagging of nathan lately by some is definitely giving me the shytes. i suppose those same posters will step it up even more next year

  On 06/10/2018 at 04:52, deanox said:

Given Id prefer the chance to edin a premiership than not, if I was Tyson I'd stay if the were no longer/ better offers out there or if I seriously backed myself to be a better inside mid then Harmes over the next 5 years.

Personally I'll think he'll go,  but that could be a trade that hurts us longer term because I think he is worth more than what we'd get for him on the market. 

It's obvious Tyson has been told by the club to check out other options.  Tyson isn't driving this.  When your club suggests you seek out other possibilities it makes it pretty hard to stay.  His manager will be doing all in his power to get a reasonable deal elsewhere.

Remember how ordinary Brayshaw looked when he was played out of position? Bernie too went downhill at a rate of knots when  he moved to defence. Same thing is happening to Dom. Good player made to look ordinary by the position he's playing. I get it though, he's 5th in line for a spot behind Oliver, Harmes, Viney and Brayshaw all of whom are younger. Trade him.

 

The starting midfield rotation is Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw and Harmes.  If they each play 75% gametime that's 100% of that role covered.

The issue for Tyson is that he is at least 2nd in line for this preferred role after Jones.  He needs at least 2 inside mid injuries to play that role.  Not saying that can't happen.

No, the issue for Tyson is that he is too one-dimensional as a player.

He was pushed out because all of our other inside mids offer variety in other parts of their game.

Tyson is win ball at the coal face and release ball asap with quick hands.

He literally doesn't offer anything else to our side.

 

  On 06/10/2018 at 07:32, ProDee said:

It's obvious Tyson has been told by the club to check out other options.  Tyson isn't driving this.  When your club suggests you seek out other possibilities it makes it pretty hard to stay.  His manager will be doing all in his power to get a reasonable deal elsewhere.

I wouldn't bet on it...

It might be option 3, other clubs expressing interest.

i think it's  bit of all 3...

  On 06/10/2018 at 10:34, rjay said:

I wouldn't bet on it...

It might be option 3, other clubs expressing interest.

i think it's  bit of all 3...

At the end of the day it matters little. 

He's either read the writing on the wall or the club has been very honest at his exit meeting. 

What's the difference ?

  On 06/10/2018 at 09:36, stevethemanjordan said:

No, the issue for Tyson is that he is too one-dimensional as a player.

He was pushed out because all of our other inside mids offer variety in other parts of their game.

Tyson is win ball at the coal face and release ball asap with quick hands.

He literally doesn't offer anything else to our side.

 

He's also very good at running in to pockets of space around half back to receive uncontested kicks, and has nice hands if the kick is a bit loopy as well. I think that's why he was used on the wing and not dropped altogether. Unfortunately it also means he ends up with the ball in an uncontested situation which means he then has to kick it to the next target!

  On 06/10/2018 at 05:10, rjay said:

He has interest from Victorian clubs so I would think if the trade & deal is right he will be on the move.

He is a good player, it's just our list has similar types and the FD are backing others ahead of him. Will be a good addition at a club that he suits (clubs with plenty of outside run to cover) as he was for us when he first came on board.

Big body mids and locking down stoppages were all the rage in 2014, Richmond have changed that. I'm not convinced slow insiders are any more viable than slow outsiders.

Any sources on these Victorian interests? I hope they happen for Dom's sake and for ours. I haven't seen anything conclusive. Dean Kent can get a 3 year deal on the hope he can stay healthy and get fit. Nothing nearly that conclusive for Dom.

  On 06/10/2018 at 10:51, DeeSpencer said:

Big body mids and locking down stoppages were all the rage in 2014, Richmond have changed that. I'm not convinced slow insiders are any more viable than slow outsiders.

Any sources on these Victorian interests? I hope they happen for Dom's sake and for ours. I haven't seen anything conclusive. Dean Kent can get a 3 year deal on the hope he can stay healthy and get fit. Nothing nearly that conclusive for Dom.

I know that he has had some interest whether anything comes to pass is yet to be seen.

As for your insiders/outsiders point I'm not so sure they agree with that in clubland.

Despite what is said by many on here Dom can play and will easily find a home.

Seems we lost the salem/tyson vs kelly trade its safe to say. No disrespect to either player just reality

  On 06/10/2018 at 18:33, Demons1858 said:

Seems we lost the salem/tyson vs kelly trade its safe to say. No disrespect to either player just reality

Billings was our preferred pick ahead of Kelly. So ‘losing’ the Tyson/Salem vs Kelly trade is a moot point 

Edited October 6, 20186 yr by Ethan Tremblay

  On 06/10/2018 at 18:33, Demons1858 said:

Seems we lost the salem/tyson vs kelly trade its safe to say. No disrespect to either player just reality

We needed a player like Tyson at the time we got him, it’s just a shame he’s regressed so quickly.

Salem has become a very good and important player for us.

  On 06/10/2018 at 18:41, Ethan Tremblay said:

Billings was our preferred pick ahead of Kelly. So ‘losing’ the Tyson/Salem vs Kelly trade is a moot point 

Two wrongs don't make a right. Bontempelli was there for the taking also

He is very good depth and we all talk about our inside mids like both Viney and Gus haven’t had injury concerns. 

Who is to say Viney can play 25 games a year? Next year? Maybe ever. 

With Viney injured, we saw the value of Tyson. If he wants to stay, I’ll be happy to have him on our list. If he wants to go, I hope we get decent compensation for him. 

He is not a bad player. 

  On 06/10/2018 at 18:33, Demons1858 said:

Seems we lost the salem/tyson vs kelly trade its safe to say. No disrespect to either player just reality

It was needed then. Today it probably wouldn’t have happened.

apparently may be involved in the Kolodjashnij deal to Gold Coast

  On 06/10/2018 at 20:38, Jaded said:

He is very good depth and we all talk about our inside mids like both Viney and Gus haven’t had injury concerns. 

Who is to say Viney can play 25 games a year? Next year? Maybe ever. 

With Viney injured, we saw the value of Tyson. If he wants to stay, I’ll be happy to have him on our list. If he wants to go, I hope we get decent compensation for him. 

He is not a bad player. 

When Viney was injured we still didn't play Tyson inside.

Edited October 6, 20186 yr by big_red_fire_engine

  On 06/10/2018 at 22:26, DemonLad5 said:

apparently may be involved in the Kolodjashnij deal to Gold Coast

Would prefer to trade pick 33 than Tyson, GC didn't even offer KK a contract, how much confidence in his concussion issues can they have.

Edited October 6, 20186 yr by TheoX