Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

I’ve heard 1.2 mil on the table. To simply accept May in exchange for Hogan would be us getting completely and utterly bent over. May is a good average backman. We’ve gotta be strong with this deal. We are not to get screwed otherwise fans will be furious 

[Lord Neville X Flash 284]

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

An exchange that saw us lose Hogan and gain May would be terrible and terrible from a PR perspective as well. If we can score May plus a top 10 pick it would be more palatable

If this happened i would be utterly dismayed. Hogan is Younger, more talented and a forward - more valuable on so many levels. I want pick 5 AND pick 6 or another really good player (cerra, brayshaw). I have a feeling freo may try to offer us pick 5 and 2019 first rounder, im not sure how i feel about that... i would probably want the dees to play hard ball and get pick 6 or a good player as well. 

Adelaide played hard ball with lever and we payed overs in the end.. Time for the dees to do the same

[Thehardtackler 785]

Can we afford to pay him 1 million a season? Would that kind of figure keep him? Given that we are in a Premiership windrow. 

[drysdale demon 4,837]

11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Who cares it's all fugazi. Didn't hurt Hawks in 2013. Didn't hurt Tigers last year. Won't impact the teams performance so who cares?

We know it's fugazi and it won't or shouldn't affect the team performance but I don't want to listen to or read about it every time I pick up a paper and I am quite certain Goodwin would not want to answer questions about Hogan at every press conference.As far as the team is concerned I don't give a rat's who plays as along as they end up being successful.

[Thehardtackler 785]

Looking at Garlett's 2017 highlights, we would have been a better team if he had been up to scratch this year. Add Hogan and McDonald and we would have been deadly up forward. 

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

26 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

I’ve heard 1.2 mil on the table. To simply accept May in exchange for Hogan would be us getting completely and utterly bent over. May is a good average backman. We’ve gotta be strong with this deal. We are not to get screwed otherwise fans will be furious 

Yep I’m hearing that ballpark as well and 6 -7 years 

if you can offer a bloke a deal like that good luck arguing that player who is also contracted isn’t worth picks 5 & 6 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

10 minutes ago, Thehardtackler said:

Looking at Garlett's 2017 highlights, we would have been a better team if he had been up to scratch this year. Add Hogan and McDonald and we would have been deadly up forward. 

Garlett is exactly the player we needed this year as our forward line was awful when the ball hit the ground.

It's just a shame he couldn't find any form at all.

If Hogan is worth $1.2 million a year then Tom McDonald is worth $2 million a year.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Hogan apparently is our highest paid player. Would trading Hogan allow us to throw more money at Andrew Gaff, as well as being able to recruit May? That way we get Gaff, May and another high draft pick for Jess 

[Gator 17,449]

Mentally I'll asume Hogan is gone until I hear otherwise.  Once I would have been gutted, but not so now.  I'm probably more bullish than some with Weideman, but he's going to be a star.  He's different to Hogan, but I think he'll become (in time) no less impressive.  He and McDonald represent a great platform for the next 5 years at least.

If Freo want Hogan I want Cerra.  I know he just extended his contract, but he's a Victorian boy who may like the idea of coming home.  Cerra is going to be a phenomenal midfielder and he's just the class we need.  Even next year, his second, he'd be a staple in our best team.  Freo will say he's off limits, but this is where it's good to have the whip hand.

[No10 461]

The only way this makes sense is if his foot injury is really bad. Fine then, take the money and security.

Otherwise, surely the manager would say stay. Win games. Maybe a premiership. In 5 years take a Buddy deal and cash in.

Going to a failing team is crazy at this stage of his development. It appears such a bad option for Hogan that it seems impossible. But many posters on here rate Chook in Perth as a solid voice.

[SFebes 4,884]

How do we get Cerra, don't new draftees have to be at their drafted club for a minimum 2 years? Not making him available until 2019?

[spirit of norm smith 16,588]

Definitely want to keep Hogan. Definitely. 

But if he wants to go home and Freo did the right deal (2x 1st round picks) then Dees must work out the best outcome. 

Could Freo offer their current pick 6 (assume Suns get pick for Lynch compo)and Ed Langdon.  That would be tempting.  

Edited September 26, 2018 by spirit of norm smith
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[SFebes 4,884]

I also hope that in the back of Jesse's mind, he respects and demands us getting maximum value for him considering how the club have treated him through all of his issues since day one, I hope he says to Freo, I want Melb to be looked after, much like Danger did with the Crows.

[Clintosaurus 7,861]

8 minutes ago, SFebes said:

How do we get Cerra, don't new draftees have to be at their drafted club for a minimum 2 years? Not making him available until 2019?

Tom Boyd left GWS after one year.

[Demons11 7,051]

8 minutes ago, SFebes said:

How do we get Cerra, don't new draftees have to be at their drafted club for a minimum 2 years? Not making him available until 2019?

This is not minimum requirement.  Once you get drafted you are like any other player 

[Deemania since 56 6,716]

18 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The Weid is a more natural forward than Hogan

That is a big call, swyl. Totally different styles I admit; however, Hogan knows where to be to get the ball and what to do with it in those critical moments of fwdline panic. 

[Deemania since 56 6,716]

12 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I also hope that in the back of Jesse's mind, he respects and demands us getting maximum value for him considering how the club have treated him through all of his issues since day one, I hope he says to Freo, I want Melb to be looked after, much like Danger did with the Crows.

It is sad, in many ways, Febes; it almost looks like we have talked ourselves into to the loss of Hogan - one of our greatest assets in recent years who really only needs a run of successive games bar injuries to reach his pedestal of greatness.  

[Dr. Gonzo 24,293]

55 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

If this happened i would be utterly dismayed. Hogan is Younger, more talented and a forward - more valuable on so many levels. I want pick 5 AND pick 6 or another really good player (cerra, brayshaw). I have a feeling freo may try to offer us pick 5 and 2019 first rounder, im not sure how i feel about that... i would probably want the dees to play hard ball and get pick 6 or a good player as well. 

Adelaide played hard ball with lever and we payed overs in the end.. Time for the dees to do the same

What if we kept pick 5 and traded next year's first for May?

[Macca 17,032]

Draft picks are severely overrated ... the fact of the matter is that top 5 or top 10 picks are hit and miss.  Half of all first round draft picks are busts in terms of expectations.  B- or worse and the facts bear that out.  And most if not all first round draft picks are standout juniors.

So those are the facts.  Bearing that in mind we did not pay overs for Lever at all.  If you want to believe the bs & spin,  you'll believe otherwise.

So if we want 'like-for-like' for Hogan,  even 2 top-end draft picks doesn't cut it ... the percentage play says 1 of those 2 picks will be a bust and with the other pick,  we have to wait at least 3 years for the prospect to become a decent footballer.

If we want more than 'like-for-like' we'll need more than 2 top-end draft picks.  Too many people including the so-called 'experts' value a draft pick in terms of best-case-scenario.  Which is the wrong way to view matters.  The best way to view it is if you were the CEO of a company who oversees realistic budgets.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Macca

[Dr. Gonzo 24,293]

22 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Mentally I'll asume Hogan is gone until I hear otherwise.  Once I would have been gutted, but not so now.  I'm probably more bullish than some with Weideman, but he's going to be a star.  He's different to Hogan, but I think he'll become (in time) no less impressive.  He and McDonald represent a great platform for the next 5 years at least.

If Freo want Hogan I want Cerra.  I know he just extended his contract, but he's a Victorian boy who may like the idea of coming home.  Cerra is going to be a phenomenal midfielder and he's just the class we need.  Even next year, his second, he'd be a staple in our best team.  Freo will say he's off limits, but this is where it's good to have the whip hand.

We can try but I doubt we'll be getting Cerra. Players don't usually end up parts of these deals, it's usually player for picks which may be on traded for another player. Freo giving up Cerra for Hogan would be cutting off the nose to spite the face especially considering they're already losing Neale.

We think we've got the whip hand cos he's contracted, they'll think they've got the whip hand cos he's agreed to move. Our FD doesn't usually stuff around making ambit claims, we generally come to the table with a fair offer.

[Dee Zephyr 19,268]

It was reported a meeting between Jesse’s management and the club was arranged for today. Is that correct?

Hopefully we hear something, I dislike this feeling of hanging on to very slim hope he will turn around and say he’s staying. 

[SFebes 4,884]

Draft picks are not overrated, the draft itself is. Draft picks get you stars like Kelly, Hogan, Whitfield etc.

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

No matter what we get in return, losing Hogan instantly makes us a worse team. He is an a-grade CHF with at least 9 year’s of footy ahead of him. You build teams around blokes with his level of talent.

He is a known quantity, a very valuable quantity. Draft picks (no matter how high) are an unknown quantity and remain so for a few years once drafted. 

2 top 10 picks has to be the minimum, and that is to try and bring in ready made talent, our time of relying on the draft is over, we are building for the now.

The only drafting of KPP kids I would dare dream of is the King twins. And that is a pipe dream that would still take years to come to fruition.

[SFebes 4,884]

1 minute ago, Dee Zephyr said:

It was reported a meeting between Jesse’s management and the club was arranged for today. Is that correct?

Hopefully we hear something, I dislike this feeling of hanging on to very slim hope he will turn around and say he’s staying. 

Yes that's correct DZ.

[Gator 17,449]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We can try but I doubt we'll be getting Cerra. Players don't usually end up parts of these deals, it's usually player for picks which may be on traded for another player. Freo giving up Cerra for Hogan would be cutting off the nose to spite the face especially considering they're already losing Neale.

We think we've got the whip hand cos he's contracted, they'll think they've got the whip hand cos he's agreed to move. Our FD doesn't usually stuff around making ambit claims, we generally come to the table with a fair offer.

There's no-one fairer than the Dees when it comes to trading.  I'm well aware of that.

And you're probably right.  But Cerra would be the type of outcome I'd like.  I know it's not likely.