Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Adam The God 30,407]

33 minutes ago, Aus in Engerland said:

Bryce Gibbs was definitely not worth two first round picks (10 and 16) at age 28. They paid way overs because they were blinded by losing a GF and thinking this was the trade that would be the difference in 2018. Plus there were a bunch of other picks swapped that meant Adelaide got a future 2nd and 3rd rounder as well (picks 21 and 40), so that equates to better than pick 16 and dilutes what they paid. Still too much. 

Treloar is a good player who hasn't missed a lot of games through injury. They paid overs to get him, but not excessively. He was 21 when traded, so had a lot left in him.

I'm not denying Hogan is a talent and a bloody good player. What would I pay? A top 10 and a 2nd rounder. A demand for any more and I'd walk away. He's 24 early next year and has a history of injuries. Foot injuries are often persistent and can be career ending. See Eric MacKenzie. 

 

It's a bit like the real estate industry though. Whatever someone is willing to pay becomes the price everyone else has to pay.

Adelaide may well have overpaid, but it sets precedence and sets the value of other players high. Particularly, a player who is a KPF at 23 years of age, consistently kicking 40+ goals in a rising side. Hogan is worth two first rounders every day of the week. 5/6 and 10-15.

Edited October 12, 2018 by A F

[John Demonic 5,850]

3 minutes ago, JTR said:

How?

Would have to be a player of good potential and quality. If we ruthlessly wanted to address a defensive deficiency then perhaps a particular midfielder or half fwd/mid would have to be in the deal. We already traded Tyson so I just don't see us taking one more out of the middle.

Edited October 12, 2018 by johndemonic

[layzie 33,991]

Can’t believe they did this after having him tour the facilities. 

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

While he may be correct I find it galling a bloke like Barrett who would never be considered let alone doubtful he’d put his hand up for a role like that is critical of them. 

I have more respect for someone who is willing to try and fail than someone sitting on the sidelines pot shotting. 

Does that mean all the posters on Demonland should never appraise player or coach performances?

[Aus in Engerland 75]

15 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I don't like to always use the draft pick value system to make a point, but pick 5 is very valuable, especially in this draft.

Gibbs was picks 10 and 16, which on a value basis is less than 5 and 23.

But yes, I get your point.

Things can't always be exactly how you want them and sometimes you make decisions based on net gain and your prospects as a footy club.

Not supporting the Gibbs trade (they paid too much) but it wasn't simply picks 10 and 16 for Gibbs. Adelaide also go 2018 picks 21 and 40. And gave up 2018 pick 28, expected to be much later as Adelaide were expected to finish a lot higher.

[layzie 33,991]

One more page people!

[Sydee 4,529]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

One more page people!

Feeling pretty confident it isn't going to stop at 300

[layzie 33,991]

1 minute ago, Sydee said:

Feeling pretty confident it isn't going to stop at 300

No siree bob!

[furious d 472]

Time for Goody to sit down for a serious chat with Jesse. I'd be telling him that we rate him and want him to sign on long term, but our fans have been waiting 55 years and all we care about is a flag. There is no room for egos or mercaneries at MFC

Commit long term (at least 2 year extension, so 3 more years) or we'll have to start planning for the future without you. That means games into Weed and no room for you in the forward line. Jesse was All Australian CHB in juniors as a17 year old and I actually think it'd be good for him, no time to sulk as a defender. 

The evidence available seems to suggest that pick 11 wasn't going to get the May deal done, if that's the case I don't see how Collingwood can get a deal done for May either. He should be available as a FA next year and Jesse will still be tradable, though OOC just like Lever last year. We should still get a reasonable return for him. We haven't burnt May and I see no reason he wouldn't come to us next year.

Say what you like about Jesse, strange cat and all that, but he's a serious talent on a football field and he has demonstrated runs on the board as a defender.

The worst outcome for us in this scenario, IMO, is Jesse signs long term. Still a fantastic result. We would be rolling the dice with our defence next year but Lever makes it better. We'd also have to find a way to accommodate JH, SW and Tmac in the forward line next year. At a time I think we're hoping to play Gawn forward more next year as well, with Pruess spending maybe 40-50% of game time in the ruck. We'd be unbalanced going into next year but still well in flag contention.

[rpfc 28,769]

14 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Late to the party here but apparently we would've done the deal for 5 and 23. What in the hell?! What happened to our price of two first rounders?? Contracted, a generational key forward tracking better than superstar key forwards of the past, plus 5 years of development under his belt. And we were happy with 5 and 23...? 

In an era where Bryce Gibbs and Adam Treloar are worth two first rounders. Cannot believe how quickly we folded on his currency and bloody relieved the situation fell apart and he's staying put. No way should you trade a player like Hogan unless you get value in return. 

I'm all for "fair trades" but that's just getting bent over for the highest tradeable commodity on our list. 

Yeah, what a bunch a of [censored]!

I guess the only defence is that NOTHING HAPPENED!

[old55 23,687]

17 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Late to the party here but apparently we would've done the deal for 5 and 23. What in the hell?! What happened to our price of two first rounders?? Contracted, a generational key forward tracking better than superstar key forwards of the past, plus 5 years of development under his belt. And we were happy with 5 and 23...? 

In an era where Bryce Gibbs and Adam Treloar are worth two first rounders. Cannot believe how quickly we folded on his currency and bloody relieved the situation fell apart and he's staying put. No way should you trade a player like Hogan unless you get value in return. 

I'm all for "fair trades" but that's just getting bent over for the highest tradeable commodity on our list. 

Are you Peter Bell's estranged twin?

[Master Deebater 492]

I'd like to help this get to 300. But how can I help?

[monoccular 17,573]

40 minutes ago, Pates said:

Are Fremantle just trying to pizz off every single person involved in the trade period?

Try are so bad that they achieve this without even trying 

19 minutes ago, bluey said:

At the end of the day it is going to be very difficult for Hogan to waltz back in, on a temporary status  for 12 months, maybe he’s been taken for a ride by his manager and Freo, or maybe on the couch is the right place for him.

A psychiatrist’s ??

Edited October 12, 2018 by monoccular

[Wilbur 447]

Can we make the 300 the crowd is anxious 

[deebug 1,754]

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/515173/arnott-s-shapes-original-pizza

So near yet so far away?

[layzie 33,991]

Yeah let’s get there!

[KingDingAling 3,758]

27 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Freo, having recruited some good young mids to play alongside Fyfe, now have the chance to set up their spine for years to come with Hogan and Lobb both keen to play there next year. 

They proceed to treat both players, and their respective clubs, with total disrespect. 

It sends a bad signal to any player who wants to go there in the future, and will turn off clubs when dealing with them in the future. 

Horrible stuff from a poorly run club. 

Passing up the opportunity to land Hogan, and overseeing the departure of Neale - pretty much puts paid to any chance Fyfe may of had of tasting success in his career. Sandilands will depart at the end of next year, and with no guarantee Darcy will make it as a ruckman, that could very well leave Lobb to carry the load. Freo will still need key backs and forwards. Hogan is probably the last home grown forward to fit their need, and they just passed up on him for a reasonable deal. It is just a disaster for Fremantle IMO. If I were Fyfe I would be asking for a trade this week.

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

does it deserve a triple century...like Bradman's average there's something MFCSS about just falling short

[Sydee 4,529]

3 minutes ago, deebug said:

So near yet so far away?

Now you are back onto biscuits its gonna happen there's nothing really left to say on this little fiasco 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Sydee

[Master Deebater 492]

Just now, Sydee said:

Now your'e back onto biscuits its gonna happen there's nothing really left to say on this little fiasco 

I'm not sure we'll make it

[Pates 9,660]

Whatever happens with him staying with us for the very least next year Goodwin and Co need to sit down with him so everything can get out in the open. Tell him where/how we are going to use him next year, talk to him about his importance to our desire for a flag, and tell him we want him long term. 

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,547]

This will bring on the 300. You watch.

[faultydet 7,619]

Seems Freo are positioning themselves to finish on the bottom next year.
Terribly poor management.

Their supporters should be livid, but are probably celebrating like they've had some sort of great victory.

[Its Time for Another 4,287]

Just now, MFC-11 said:

I'm not sure we'll make it

Why?

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

 

Today’s outcome was predicted by science, folks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5718081/amp/Scientists-confirm-short-man-syndrome-REAL.html

Edited October 12, 2018 by EnterTheDragon