Farewell Jesse Hogan

[beelzebub 22,831]

5 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

 

Current value as a KPF who has suffered a season-ending navicular injury?

Just think about the perception of that in the marketplace: suffers navicular injury, then quickly put up for trade...

I think his value on the market has never been lower. Most clubs would be wary of offering too much.

The impact to his possible market value is of course real. I personally don't think that would figure largely in the case of his likely suitor(s).

The notion of him being traded, or simply going home is as old as his AFL career. I.e..not all that sudden an idea.

[Moonshadow 16,722]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

 

Current value as a KPF who has suffered a season-ending navicular injury?

Just think about the perception of that in the marketplace: suffers navicular injury, then quickly put up for trade...

I think his value on the market has never been lower. Most clubs would be wary of offering too much.

That might also depend on the severity of the injury and speed of recovery. Iirc Goodwin said it was caught very early and expects full recovery in readiness for next year. Other club doctors would consult specialists to form an opinion. 

On the other hand, if, if the injury is a worry, would we be better trading now rather than delaying for less later?

Edited August 22, 2018 by Moonshadow

[layzie 30,600]

44 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

 

Current value as a KPF who has suffered a season-ending navicular injury?

Just think about the perception of that in the marketplace: suffers navicular injury, then quickly put up for trade...

I think his value on the market has never been lower. Most clubs would be wary of offering too much.

Would definitely be in the back of their minds and impact our position at the table.

[spirit of norm smith 13,680]

CHF role with endurance and agility.  Needs the body to stand up. 

A keeper. 

[beelzebub 22,831]

11 hours ago, rpfc said:

Get him in the middle more

How bout we simply get a mid ,or two, that knows what to do ?

Edited August 22, 2018 by beelzebub

[old dee 23,314]

14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How bout we simply get a mid ,or two, that knows what to do ?

You have my vote bb

 

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,055]

Dylan Shiel, get it done.

[Mondê 525]

2 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Dylan Shiel, get it done.

Can't see us shafting Hogan like that especially after he has been so loyal to us. 

This club has changed, we stick together now.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Hogan was a back. Might explain his god awful approach in kicking So why would you not think it a possibility to play him there. But ... he was brought here ( Dees ) to kick goals. His effectiveness is severely reduced against decent opposition who have worked out how to nueter him. Net result those games ... not a lot really.

Games against less capable opposition he can/not-always have a day out. Could be argued that anyone could kick those goals. So is Hogan of any profound use only then ? 

This is where some, and I agree, think that Hogan's value to us may be best realised ... not playing for us.

Many folk are now simply trying to find where to put him. For mine it's the trade table. Not because I don't think he can play. He can. I just don't think he's the 'result' we were all hoping for. 

I thought he played mostly as a forward but had the ability to go back and had a huge impact in a couple of games when he did (from memory he iced a game when he went back for the last quarter or 2 in an important game - not certain though). He also has kicked 47 goals in 20 games, that's doing his job by anyone's measure.

He's only played 70 games, and clearly has a lot of development to go, this year I think he's added a lot more of a team first element to his game along with increasing his use around the ground, I believe it's only his leading patterns that need to improve to have a bigger impact against the better teams and that will come. Remember he didn't have TMac next to him all pre-season where they should have been working on this.

He's not a Colin Sylvia type who's just waiting for that break out season, he's improving dramatically each year, in a very hard position and is already counted in the elite there, and people want to get rid of him???? DL at it's finest. 

[rpfc 27,725]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

How bout we simply get a mid ,or two, that knows what to do ?

He knows what to do in there. Excellent footy brain, huge tank, good in close, great hands - you didn’t see him in there earlier in the year?

[Mondê 525]

11 minutes ago, rpfc said:

He knows what to do in there. Excellent footy brain, huge tank, good in close, great hands - you didn’t see him in there earlier in the year?

The problem is we have a surplus of what he offers in there, we need outside run and distribution. 

He has to play forward.

[KingDingAling 3,688]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Funny ... in a fashion, in this thread some sanity prevails and a reasonable discussion of the good/bad/ otherwise of Hogan even allows the floating of the idea he play HB. Elsewhere it's lampooned.

I never quite got that. Tmac was a fwd when younger. Indeed when drafted ( iirc) it was to play fwd. For whatever reason that didn't last long and he played down back ... until the clever idea of moving him forward.

Hogan was a back. Might explain his god awful approach in kicking So why would you not think it a possibility to play him there. But ... he was brought here ( Dees ) to kick goals. His effectiveness is severely reduced against decent opposition who have worked out how to nueter him. Net result those games ... not a lot really.

Games against less capable opposition he can/not-always have a day out. Could be argued that anyone could kick those goals. So is Hogan of any profound use only then ? 

This is where some, and I agree, think that Hogan's value to us may be best realised ... not playing for us.

Many folk are now simply trying to find where to put him. For mine it's the trade table. Not because I don't think he can play. He can. I just don't think he's the 'result' we were all hoping for. 

When we drafted Hogan I immediately thought - beauty, we have our Michael Hurley. I watched Hogan play down back for WA and he was very effective. I never thought of him as a forward until he arrived at our club. I have said it on here before that if we played Hogan down back he would be one of the best at it. 

[Willmoy1947 3,892]

Just let Goody work out his best position next year, get inside his head and make him into double sized Dangerfield/Carey.

[Mondê 525]

He also needs to sort out his set shot technique, it is all over the place.

[jnrmac 19,601]

Hogan has a great footy IQ. Always thinking and is very good with chip kicks, tap ons etc.

[Mondê 525]

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

Hogan has a great footy IQ. Always thinking and is very good with chip kicks, tap ons etc.

He does, what has happened to his contested marking though? Remember in 2016 when he tore that Anzac Day Eve game apart? He was clunking everything.

[beelzebub 22,831]

37 minutes ago, rpfc said:

He knows what to do in there. Excellent footy brain, huge tank, good in close, great hands - you didn’t see him in there earlier in the year?

There are established kids who bring more to the game. That's the point.

[jnrmac 19,601]

5 minutes ago, Mondê said:

He does, what has happened to his contested marking though? Remember in 2016 when he tore that Anzac Day Eve game apart? He was clunking everything.

I think that was the exception rather than the rule. I don't think he has ever been a great contested mark.

 

[rpfc 27,725]

18 minutes ago, Mondê said:

The problem is we have a surplus of what he offers in there, we need outside run and distribution. 

He has to play forward.

Yes, but his stints through the middle freed him up and helped out other mids. I am not saying he is going to not be allowed in the forward 50 - just that he should go through the middle more - he can do it.

[rpfc 27,725]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

There are established kids who bring more to the game. That's the point.

The more people we can throw through there the better for our depth. 

[Smokey 4,228]

It's probably too early to make this call. If the weed plays out of his skin and shows us to be what we all hope him to be in the finals, then I see no issue making inquiries re: getting 2 first rounders for Jesse.

Jesse is no doubt a great player, but he's not worth more than 2 first rounders in a super draft if the weed holds his own in September. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

Tom & Jesse alternating CHF and CHB, Weid FF, Tom & Weid sharing stand in ruck duties. Lots of variation and a headache for oppo coaches

[dieter 3,325]

I fail to understand why there are people who want to trade a player who has already played some great football for the Melbourne Football Club, who, barring injury, will most likely become the number one forward in the game.

How many first picks do we really need? Why not settle on making what we have now really competitive and eventually great? We don't need another dose of waiting for Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Watts or Scully or Trengrove etc to come good.

Make the best of what we have now...

[Tricky 340]

28 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Just let Goody work out his best position next year, get inside his head and make him into double sized Dangerfield/Carey.

Having anything like either of those is a tantalizing thought.

I can't see him turning into a Dangerfield. Possibly Carey-like with a LOT of development, which would be extremely valuable, obviously.

 

[Mondê 525]

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I think that was the exception rather than the rule. I don't think he has ever been a great contested mark.

 

His contest marking since he entered the league

2015 - 47 (21 games)
2016 - 43 (20 games)
2017 - 10 (10 games)
2018 - 24 (20 games)

That is a pretty alarming drop off if you ask me.