0:00 - 8:07

Camp

Fold under pressure

Can't meet expectation

Haven't beaten anyone

Accuracy v better sides (choke)

Making 8 and winning a final

Find a way to lose

More entries than Richmond

Hogan

Defence, zone too much

Jordan Lewis accountabilty

Stage fright

Not far away

 

https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-22

Did we really need a new thread for this?

Kidding.

They're not wrong.

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Accuracy against top 8 sides was a very interesting statistic. Blows the 'off day' theory out of the water. 

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Did we really need a new thread for this?

Kidding.

They're not wrong.

I was waiting for you to reply haha ?

Damn you demons!

Hutcho is right in that we shouldn't be talked up until we beat a decent team.  I get the feeling some commentators are just sick of the same narrative presenting itself time and time again.

10 minutes ago, praha said:

Hutcho is right in that we shouldn't be talked up until we beat a decent team.  I get the feeling some commentators are just sick of the same narrative presenting itself time and time again.

The commentators aren’t the only ones sick of seeing and hearing the same thing over and over and over and over again. 

Really interesting dissection, brutal at times, especially on Lewis.

15 minutes ago, praha said:

Hutcho is right in that we shouldn't be talked up until we beat a decent team.  I get the feeling some commentators are just sick of the same narrative presenting itself time and time again.

Don't blame them. It's the same regurgitated story every month. We come out and smash a [censored] team, build up everyone's expectations, then blow it spectacularly against a legitimate opponent (usually defying a few records in the process, like most inside 50s in a loss, etc.) Wash, rinse, repeat. Predictable as the sunrise.

And the cherry on the cake? The same ending every season (missing finals) but in sadistic new ways, as if they're challenging themselves to be even more cruel than the year before -- blowing a match against wooden spooners Carlton then getting flogged by 100 points in Roosy's farewell match, being the team to miss finals by the smallest % margin in AFL history, being the team with the highest percentage ever to miss finals, etc.

Can't wait to see what cruelty they have in store for us next year! Maybe we could pull a North, win our first 12 matches then blow every match thereafter?

4 hours ago, MSFebey said:

0:00 - 8:07

Camp

Fold under pressure

Can't meet expectation

Haven't beaten anyone

Accuracy v better sides (choke)

Making 8 and winning a final

Find a way to lose

More entries than Richmond

Hogan

Defence, zone too much

Jordan Lewis accountabilty

Stage fright

Not far away

 

https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-22

Can't disagree with a thing that was raised, we are flat track bullies.

Sydney were waiting for us to rip their heart out, they were on their hands and knees and we still couldn't finish them it.

Now with Hogan going down we need to remodel our forward set up to We stay too set in a particular structure mix it up, 1 tall (Tmac) 3 Mid talls, (Melk, Trac, Fristch) and 2 smalls (Jeffy, Kent).

Throw it around 1 tall, 2 mids, 3 Smalls.

He's very stubborn like that Goody, could be his undoing.

Edited August 14, 20186 yr by Win4theAges

Wow, that stat of he goal accuracy falling away against top opponents, particularly that the set shot accuracy collapses, is just mind-melting.

Wait, is it mind-melting, or is it just evidence of our forward's minds melting?

I'm sure part of it is that the better teams do a better job of closing up our quick slice into the forward line so our shots are from less ideal spots, but really... can there be any more clear evidence of a problem between the ears?

55 minutes ago, praha said:

Hutcho is right in that we shouldn't be talked up until we beat a decent team.  I get the feeling some commentators are just sick of the same narrative presenting itself time and time again.

Its the same commentators that are pumping us up in the first place. I really can't understand it - the media pumps us up and then has a go at us for getting pumped up when we don't perform. It's mind boggling really. 

The media loves using terms like "drinking their own bathwater" when it was the media themselves that run the bath and made us get in. sick of the commentary these days - there is way too much of it. Its hard for the average punter to form an opinion on anything footy related when we have the opinions of an army of ex players rammed down our throat every 10 mins, 7 days a week. 

I miss the 90's. Footy was simpler and far more enjoyable. 

Edited August 14, 20186 yr by Smokey

8 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Its the same commentators that are pumping us up in the first place. I really can't understand it - the media pumps us up and then has a go at us for getting pumped up when we don't perform. It's mind boggling really. 

The media loves using terms like "drinking their own bathwater" when it was the media themselves that run the bath and made us get in. sick of the commentary these days - there is way too much of it. Its hard for the average punter to form an opinion on anything footy related when we have the opinions of an army of ex players rammed down our throat every 10 mins, 7 days a week. 

I miss the 90's. Footy was simpler and far more enjoyable. 

Hutchy isn't. The rest of the panel were still confident and talking us up. For them it's disappointing. Hutchy is simply stating he won't fall for the hype until we do something relevant.

There is a good case not to read or listen to anything in the media and if you happen to, take no notice of it. I rarely do.

1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

There is a good case not to read or listen to anything in the media and if you happen to, take no notice of it. I rarely do.

Why? They’re right in what they’re saying, how could you not agree? Too many drink the koolaid 

1 hour ago, MSFebey said:

Why? They’re right in what they’re saying, how could you not agree? Too many drink the koolaid 

More so the supporters get way ahead of themselves than the players would or do.

2 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

He's very stubborn like that Goody

Or maybe he's not doing what you think he should because he knows more about footy than you.

Just a thought.

3 hours ago, DemonOX said:

The commentators aren’t the only ones sick of seeing and hearing the same thing over and over and over and over again. 

That's rather ironic considering you post on and read Demonland

6 hours ago, layzie said:

Accuracy against top 8 sides was a very interesting statistic. Blows the 'off day' theory out of the water. 

Against the weaker sides we get a lot of goals from inside 15m. We are number 1 for that stat. 

Against the strong sides I suspect our shots at goal are from much further out because they don't let us get out the back.... I don't have the evidence to back that up but I think it probably holds true...

 

4 hours ago, praha said:

Hutcho is right in that we shouldn't be talked up until we beat a decent team.  I get the feeling some commentators are just sick of the same narrative presenting itself time and time again.

It's the media talking the club up not the the club themselves, the media are the best in drooling over players and clubs like lovesick schoolgirls.

Just now, drysdale demon said:

It's the media talking the club up not the the club themselves, the media are the best in drooling over players and clubs like lovesick schoolgirls.

It doesn’t matter, the players choke when it counts the most, that has nothing to do with supporters or even the media, it’s mental fragility 

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Against the weaker sides we get a lot of goals from inside 15m. We are number 1 for that stat. 

Against the strong sides I suspect our shots at goal are from much further out because they don't let us get out the back.... I don't have the evidence to back that up but I think it probably holds true...

 

Most of the shots they missed on sunday were within 30 metres or less

1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

Most of the shots they missed on sunday were within 30 metres or less

Yep they had a shocker no doubt.

4 hours ago, Smokey said:

Its the same commentators that are pumping us up in the first place. I really can't understand it - the media pumps us up and then has a go at us for getting pumped up when we don't perform. It's mind boggling really. 

The media loves using terms like "drinking their own bathwater" when it was the media themselves that run the bath and made us get in. sick of the commentary these days - there is way too much of it. Its hard for the average punter to form an opinion on anything footy related when we have the opinions of an army of ex players rammed down our throat every 10 mins, 7 days a week. 

I miss the 90's. Footy was simpler and far more enjoyable. 

Spot on Smokey

But the bs sells if the story is juicy enough

Talking us up knowing that we almost certainly can't meet those lofty expectations and be ready to stick the boot in when the expectations aren't met.

With a gullible audience,  the bs is easily sold.  When our own supporters buy-in it just creates an even bigger problem

The team is only ever going to become a great team when it actually becomes a great team ...not before.

5 hours ago, DemonOX said:

The commentators aren’t the only ones sick of seeing and hearing the same thing over and over and over and over again. 

The definition of insanity:

“Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome”

                                                   Einstein