3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

We have been going gangbusters against the top 8 sides and finals are a doddle so yeah, no biggie with Lever gone......

Clearly you missed my point.

We have the midfield options to possibly absorb the Viney loss.

We didn't and still don't have the defensive options to cover the Lever loss, as evidenced by conceding cricket scores against St Kilda and Collingwood.

1 minute ago, Demon17 said:

The club has a top notch medical team. Evidence -  the management of Tom MacDonald -  ( and Tmacs approach as well helped)

This was never Viney's  decision to make - but he thinks it is -  and therein lies the issue.

TMAC is the ultimate professional in training and preparation. And a good bloke too.

 

Jacks stubborness (and stupidity) has made it harder for us to make the finals.

Hopefully we make it and he can sit in the stands and watch and maybe finally learn his lesson.   So disappointing.

10 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Jacks stubborness (and stupidity) has made it harder for us to make the finals.

Hopefully we make it and he can sit in the stands and watch and maybe finally learn his lesson.   So disappointing.

Yes i agree. The same injury has pain for at least 2 weeks and he keeps playing. 

Not the sharpest tool in the box is Jack Viney....

This injury has to be managed DAILY....

Why the [censored] would they have risk him against Freo?[censored] me Dave Misson and Co. 

On a side note, I'd prefer Gawn as captain - only one to consistently stand up when the club needs him, make Lever his VC with it in a new change of leadership direction.

40 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Jacks stubborness (and stupidity) has made it harder for us to make the finals.

Hopefully we make it and he can sit in the stands and watch and maybe finally learn his lesson.   So disappointing.

Yes, Jack needs to learn that we are not a one man team and missing finals games might just do it. 

And that is quite likely: 

• Gus and Oliver are doing a superb job in the midfield.
• We have Tyson who like Viney can get the ball and has a dominant left side (might also be their weakness). 
• And Vand who might get a call up in a few weeks to add a bit more muscle around the ball.   

So with everyone doing a bit extra (like on Saturday) we can cover his absence as our midfield success is based on the communication and the 'connection' between Max and whoever he is going to tap the ball to.  If Viney is there he gets tapped the ball in his direction.  If he isn't there it gets tapped to someone else.

I actually wonder if not having Viney helps.  It gives Gus and Oliver more say in what happens at center bounces and I reckon they have better footy smarts than young Jack.

Edited July 16, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Had too be the Saints game, where he felt it and the club have sent him to The Hardest Rock hard Friggen place in Australia to play football. 

Heads have to roll here. This is amature hour here. Jack why havent you reported it?

As a side note, from the WB game i felt the team balance was the best it has been all year. 2 KPD (frost and McDonald), 2 KPF (Hogan and McDonald) and one less contested ball player (Viney) and 1 extra runner (Hannan). I would like to stay with this for the rest of the year, if hannan or any other outside like player is to be dropped then bring in another runner.

aka play the best players in our team in the best position, don't toss and turn the team around every 2 minutes to be flexible. Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw and ____ at the majority of center bounces please :).

I wonder if the Alice Springs game made it flare up then the Darwin game topped it off?

7 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I wonder if the Alice Springs game made it flare up then the Darwin game topped it off?

I think he was having problems vs Port - after the game the camera panned to the rooms and Jack appeared in real discomfort taking his boot off and there was a trainer already there with an ice pack for him.  That could be the normal process for him after every game but at the time I wondered if he was having problems again.

One would think that if he noticed it was worse leading into the Freo/Darwin game we would have rested him for the game or at least the last quarter/half and not trained last week - just to be cautions.  Sensible injury risk management to my mind...

Edited July 16, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

The mind boggles.

Tom reported minor pain in his toe, missed one week, and back playing like nothing ever happened.

Why the F would Viney not do the same. I know he is young and he wants to play and lead the team, but jesus have you learnt nothing?

Again we are heading into a crucial time in the season without him.

 

somebody... grab your garden spade and head down to Gosch's Paddock when no training... and push into the soil and lever back, opening the ground. to see & check the depth of moisture in the soil !!!

Do this in a number of different places over the field, to check for an average of soil moisture penetration.

 

If the moisture penetration is only shallow, then we need to water the field repeatedly.  To soften the ground.

12 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The mind boggles.

Tom reported minor pain in his toe, missed one week, and back playing like nothing ever happened.

Why the F would Viney not do the same. I know he is young and he wants to play and lead the team, but jesus have you learnt nothing?

Again we are heading into a crucial time in the season without him.

 

Stress fractures creep up on you.

I got one over an old nastily broken Tibia injury site,,, when training again 15 years after the injury.

Once it's sore, its already injured and it's an issue.   Until its sore, you naturally think all is fine.

20 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I wonder if the Alice Springs game made it flare up then the Darwin game topped it off?

ah ffs.

One game doesn't do it its a repetitive stress injury to the bone.

 

eg: training

Just heard on the pdcast DeeTales with Kerry Lambert, and she mentioned she spoke to Billy Stretch last week and Billy mentioned his foot was a bit sore going into the Freo game but the medicos said just go out and try and run it out..

The rest is history....

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just heard on the pdcast DeeTales with Kerry Lambert, and she mentioned she spoke to Billy Stretch last week and Billy mentioned his foot was a bit sore going into the Freo game but the medicos said just go out and try and run it out..

The rest is history....

[censored] ing hell!!

What hope....

7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just heard on the pdcast DeeTales with Kerry Lambert, and she mentioned she spoke to Billy Stretch last week and Billy mentioned his foot was a bit sore going into the Freo game but the medicos said just go out and try and run it out..

The rest is history....

My.... aren't we clever at Melbourne !!!???

Memo to Mr Pert.....have a good looky look at the FD when you get here ??

At least we now know why our injury list has been small!

"Keep on playing boys until you crumble"

43 minutes ago, DV8 said:

ah ffs.

One game doesn't do it its a repetitive stress injury to the bone.

 

eg: training

Over-training.

34 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just heard on the pdcast DeeTales with Kerry Lambert, and she mentioned she spoke to Billy Stretch last week and Billy mentioned his foot was a bit sore going into the Freo game but the medicos said just go out and try and run it out..

The rest is history....

As if we hadn't had enough evidence that 'running out a foot/toe injury' is extremely risky.

To re-cap: Clark, Trengove, Vandenberg, Viney, T Mcdonald.  After all that we risk Billy Stretch.  Beggars belief.

Edited July 16, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just heard on the pdcast DeeTales with Kerry Lambert, and she mentioned she spoke to Billy Stretch last week and Billy mentioned his foot was a bit sore going into the Freo game but the medicos said just go out and try and run it out..

The rest is history....

If true he should sue the club

37 minutes ago, President Dee Trump said:

Over-training.

Repetitive sharp impact, normally;  one sudden impact might do it, but IMO that would be extremely rare.

 

Viney is having numerous stress fractures since mid last year as have others so I would look to the weather and dry grounds as we have been quite dry in the time-frame.

Recent rainfall does not mean the grounds have softened sufficiently.   The ground may be water resistant by now.

 

Too many stress fractures Re our players,,,,  for the training surface Not to be in too hard a condition.

2 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

Had too be the Saints game, where he felt it and the club have sent him to The Hardest Rock hard Friggen place in Australia to play football. 

Heads have to roll here. This is amature hour here. Jack why havent you reported it?

Do you know this or are just making an assumption?

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

As if we hadn't had enough evidence that 'running out a foot/toe injury' is extremely risky.

Actually, on the basis of what's been reported, we have zero evidence that running out a foot injury is risky - because we're ignoring all the occasions when running it out works. We're only hearing about when it (perhaps) doesn't.

As Tom Mac said re his own foot/toe issues, as a footballer, you're constantly having problems with feet and toes: you get stood on, you get knocks, you're doing a lot of running, and it's not called *foot* ball for nothing. Once again, we're only hearing about when these develop into something more serious, while ignoring the majority of times when they don't.

Every player on our list would be nursing/carrying some kind of niggle, including foot/toes.