Andrew Gaff

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

22 pages added on this thread since the Gaff incident, well let’s say 21 if you minus the posts suggesting Jones is off to the Suns and only 10 on the Post Match.  

Gaff is flying to Melbourne for the hearing and West Coast are expected to argue Gaff was trying to make contact with the chest.

My guess, Gaff gets 8 weeks.

[SFebes 4,884]

Neville Bruns on SEN reckons Gaff should get 12 months off his career, yep 12 months suspension.

[DTJ 95]

If he didn't mean to cave his face in surely he would've paused? A bit of shock, some instant remorse? Call a trainer over even? They are supposed to be friends...

Unless there's something else in the footage that I didn't see, pretty sure that defence is bs.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,819]

It’s been suggested that his penalty is having to sign with Carlton for 5 years.

[Big Demon 197]

Seems like the world has gone crazy over the Gaffe by Gaff but we even seem to be heading into the realms of nutterism on the normally intelligent Demonland.

The real precedent here is the punch by Cunnington on Bernie last year where we wandered over and punched him in the gut, Cunnington is one of the toughest mofos getting around and let me tell you a liver punch is was more painful than a jab on the chin, Cunnington got a fine so that should be the starting precedent here.

On another point why is there any mention of legal action? Do you really want normal rules of the land applied at the football? Maybe then we should arrest Bradshaw for the ridiculous pushing and hanging off of Gaff because you cant to that down the Main Street, arrest the shouting fans too defamation all round in some of those comments and just to top it all off the people enjoying your beer at the football now that we have declared the game open for the lawyers to cash in you lot are all stuffed too for drinking in a public place. At least the lawyers future are secured with all this nonsense.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It’s been suggested that his penalty is having to sign with Carlton for 5 years.

And to read this thread from first to last post

[Sir Why You Little 36,954]

19 minutes ago, DTJ said:

If he didn't mean to cave his face in surely he would've paused? A bit of shock, some instant remorse? Call a trainer over even? They are supposed to be friends...

Unless there's something else in the footage that I didn't see, pretty sure that defence is bs.

Then he ran off...

 

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2 minutes ago, Big Demon said:

Seems like the world has gone crazy over the Gaffe by Gaff but we even seem to be heading into the realms of nutterism on the normally intelligent Demonland.

 

Say what now?

[Lucifers Hero 39,501]

Given that Bugg got 6 weeks (reduced from 7 for pleading guilty) for "intentional, medium impact" and Gaff is charged with the more serious "intentional, severe impact" Gaff must get more than 6/7 weeks or it makes a mockery of the whole system.

As WCE are set to challenge and if Gaff is found guilty as charged he should not be given any penalty discount.  The Bugg discount was for pleading guilty not for showing remorse (which he did in spades), nor for a good MRP record.  

The AFL is carrying on about the 'Look of the Game'.  It doesn't look too good when a kid goes off the field with his face punched in.  If they really care about the 'look' and the impact of the Gaff incident on junior football then they cannot allow a reduced penalty.  If the penalty is less than 8 weeks the AFL should appeal. 

Edited August 7, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[jackaub 1,402]

The Irony in all this is listening to Mathhews  join the band wagon of over the top commentary.

He of all people should Shut the F#*K up 

Maybe we should just let the existing AFL process play out and comment then when there is actually something to comment on

Herald sun showing multiple pages of the incident is appalling abuse or process and is encouraging mob rule ensuring an in consistent reactionary penalty

When you have airheads on morning TV  making inflamatory comments regarding penalties, without having the enquiry by the ruling body, you know who is running the agenda

How about we just let the established process  commence  and play out

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

46 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

Neville Bruns on SEN reckons Gaff should get 12 months off his career, yep 12 months suspension.

Well, after reading the Bruns article I’m not so shocked now.

Matthews’ punch luckily missed his temple by half an inch and with a force that strong on a temple Bruns wouldn’t have come out of it according to the doctor. 

[Clintosaurus 7,828]

I reckon it will be 5 weeks. All this talk of 12 months, police charges etc is a joke. What a soft society we have become. 

[jnrmac 20,053]

24 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

I reckon it will be 5 weeks. All this talk of 12 months, police charges etc is a joke. What a soft society we have become. 

So you think it less than Bugg's punishment?

[No10 459]

41 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Given that Bugg got 6 weeks (reduced from 7 for pleading guilty) for "intentional, medium impact" and Gaff is charged with the more serious "intentional, severe impact" Gaff must get more than 6/7 weeks or it makes a mockery of the whole system.

As WCE are set to challenge and if Gaff is found guilty as charged he should not be given any penalty discount.  The Bugg discount was for pleading guilty not for showing remorse (which he did in spades), nor for a good MRP record.  

The AFL is carrying on about the 'Look of the Game'.  It doesn't look too good when a kid goes off the field with his face punched in.  If they really care about the 'look' and the impact of the Gaff incident on junior football then they cannot allow a reduced penalty.  If the penalty is less than 8 weeks the AFL should appeal. 

I thought Bugg was ‘high impact’.

Incidentally, Jonas also got 6wks in 2016 for high impact elbow that KO’d Gaff.

To your point, I’m interested to see what a defense does to the result.

I’m guessing 8wks, but if less then you’d have to wonder about all that integrity around the Bugg handling.

[Neil Crompton 5,447]

I think the title of this topic “Go and get Gaff”, may have just taken on a whole new meaning since the events of the weekend.

[Lucifers Hero 39,501]

32 minutes ago, No10 said:

I thought Bugg was ‘high impact’.

Incidentally, Jonas also got 6wks in 2016 for high impact elbow that KO’d Gaff.

To your point, I’m interested to see what a defense does to the result.

I’m guessing 8wks, but if less then you’d have to wonder about all that integrity around the Bugg handling.

My reading is that 'High' means where a player is hit ie above the shoulders.  Whereas Low/Medium/Severe refers to extent of damage.  So Bugg was Intentional/High/Medium.  Gaff is charged with Intentional/High/Severe; a more serious offence. 

We know there are two rules when it comes to suspensions, one for the 'stars and one for everyone else.  I agree less than 8 weeks is wrong on so many levels.

Edit:  you are correct No 10.  The severity rating is Low/Medium/High/Severe.  Bugg was rated as 'High'.  My bad.  We are on the same page thinking Gaff offence was worse than Bugg's so should get a higher penalty.

Edited August 7, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[chookrat 4,247]

19 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

So you think it less than Bugg's punishment?

Gaff a star and polling well in Brownlow should reduce penalty by 1/3 

[jnrmac 20,053]

16 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Gaff a star and polling well in Brownlow should reduce penalty by 1/3 

OK so you are being facetious. I get it now.

[jnrmac 20,053]

22 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

My reading is that 'High' means where a player is hit ie above the shoulders.  Whereas Low/Medium/Severe refers to extent of damage.  So Bugg was Intentional/High/Medium.  Gaff is charged with Intentional/High/Severe; a more serious offence. 

We know there are two rules when it comes to suspensions, one for the 'stars and one for everyone else.  I agree less than 8 weeks is wrong on so many levels.

And Bugg got 7 reduced to 6 because had had a clean record.

[Jaded No More 68,855]

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

I reckon it will be 5 weeks. All this talk of 12 months, police charges etc is a joke. What a soft society we have become. 

You're right, we are such a soft society for thinking that punching someone and breaking teeth and jaws is not worthy of severe punishment. We should ease up on domestic violence, one punch strikes and drink driving too. Soft!

[Demonland 71,255]

Last week this headline would have had hearts a flutter.

 

[Mondê 525]

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

I reckon it will be 5 weeks. All this talk of 12 months, police charges etc is a joke. What a soft society we have become. 

Hyper masculinity at its finest.

[McQueen 17,864]

12 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

I thought you were going to abstain from reading my posts. Not a man of his word?

I was until I was notified of you accusing me of condoning thuggery. Now you're accusing me of a "man not of his word" and you don't even know me...

Don't bother responding again because you'll be on ignore.

[corowa 216]

I was at Princes Park the day that dirty mongrel, Leigh Matthews, king hit Stephen Smith. He woke up in the dressing room some minutes later, minus several teeth.

And people speak of Matthews as a super hero.

Hero, my ar.....m pit! He deserved to be charged for assault and suffered the ignominy of being found guilty (before getting off on appeal).

To argue that violence on the field that would see you before the court and facing gaol time if done on the street, is not subject to the laws of the land is astounding. What if a player actually died?

Having said that, I'd still welcome Gaff at MFC if we could get him. Do the crime, do the time. Forgive and forget.

We have our own skeletons in the closet. I still love Rod Grinter, who took fisticuffs to a much higher level, though I don't condone his level of aggression.

 

[Wunders 397]

On a cheeky side-note, Gaff would fit in at Melbourne after the punch if we go back to last year and Hogan and Lewis' little taps (perfect fit? :P).

I still want him, even if he gets 12 weeks. I think it has to be over 6 weeks though as other posters alluded to.